But two plates in vacuum are attracted by each other trough force of mutual gravity and vacuum represent empty space which has one property and that is ability to contain matter... Thus saying that vacuum or empty space fluctuate is illogical or false... :-)
Quote from: MathewOrman on 08/27/2019 09:18 pmBut two plates in vacuum are attracted by each other trough force of mutual gravity and vacuum represent empty space which has one property and that is ability to contain matter... Thus saying that vacuum or empty space fluctuate is illogical or false... :-)It's the basis of Quantum Field Theory whether we like it of not....
Quote from: Bob012345 on 08/27/2019 11:36 pmQuote from: MathewOrman on 08/27/2019 09:18 pmBut two plates in vacuum are attracted by each other trough force of mutual gravity and vacuum represent empty space which has one property and that is ability to contain matter... Thus saying that vacuum or empty space fluctuate is illogical or false... :-)It's the basis of Quantum Field Theory whether we like it of not.... And that is why nothing works based on that theory... Mathematical manipulation of false assumptions will not yield true laws of physics... :-)
Quote from: MathewOrman on 08/28/2019 03:22 amQuote from: Bob012345 on 08/27/2019 11:36 pmQuote from: MathewOrman on 08/27/2019 09:18 pmBut two plates in vacuum are attracted by each other trough force of mutual gravity and vacuum represent empty space which has one property and that is ability to contain matter... Thus saying that vacuum or empty space fluctuate is illogical or false... :-)It's the basis of Quantum Field Theory whether we like it of not.... And that is why nothing works based on that theory... Mathematical manipulation of false assumptions will not yield true laws of physics... :-)Quantum mechanics predicts the emission spectra of various elements to high accuracy. The standard model of particle physics has predicted the detection of new particles and explains many things. While the device that this topic is about almost certainly does not work, that would be because it is not actually based on real quantum theory, not because there is anything wrong with quantum mechanics, which still obeys conservation of momentum if you actually do the math correctly.
I see no reason for such pessimism. The effect is very small and seems consistent with QFT theory. Dynamic Casimir Effect is a real thing. Pilot Wave Theory is completely compatible in its predictions with standard QM and not considered as quack physics. In fact its history goes back to de Broglie himself. It's also called de Broglie-Bohm Theory after David Bohm who formulated it in its final form.
IMO, this is a very creative approach but perhaps overly ambitious, i.e., attempting interactions with the vacuum before gravity is mastered.
Quote from: Bryan_Kelly on 09/12/2019 05:23 pmIMO, this is a very creative approach but perhaps overly ambitious, i.e., attempting interactions with the vacuum before gravity is mastered.The very nature of the vacuum is probably in space-time itself. Gravity waves are space-time waves. Particles are probably constructed from the very existence of space-time itself, or the vacuum. Gravity is probably related to this in that the energy of space-time starts depleating of energy around matter. As the energy depletes time slows down, SpaceTime shrinks like a balloon, getting cold, and the very fabric contracts. Objects experience more energy on one side of the vacuum than the other when experiencing gravity. The very nature of the lorentz contraction is probably related to the local vacuum surrounding the object. early inflation of the universe was probably due to energy being lost to space-time inflating the vacuum like a thermally inflated baloon such as black holes lose energy of space-time now. Some of that really just my speculation but I think there's a relationship that will probably be shown to be true with time.
Quote from: dustinthewind on 09/13/2019 03:19 pmQuote from: Bryan_Kelly on 09/12/2019 05:23 pmIMO, this is a very creative approach but perhaps overly ambitious, i.e., attempting interactions with the vacuum before gravity is mastered.The very nature of the vacuum is probably in space-time itself. Gravity waves are space-time waves. Particles are probably constructed from the very existence of space-time itself, or the vacuum. Gravity is probably related to this in that the energy of space-time starts depleating of energy around matter. As the energy depletes time slows down, SpaceTime shrinks like a balloon, getting cold, and the very fabric contracts. Objects experience more energy on one side of the vacuum than the other when experiencing gravity. The very nature of the lorentz contraction is probably related to the local vacuum surrounding the object. early inflation of the universe was probably due to energy being lost to space-time inflating the vacuum like a thermally inflated baloon such as black holes lose energy of space-time now. Some of that really just my speculation but I think there's a relationship that will probably be shown to be true with time.Dustinthewind:You might consider Dr. White's Quantum Vacuum (Q-V) conjecture which makes an attempt at combining Woodward's Mach-Effect (M-E) with the Magneto-Hydro-Dynamics (MHD) of the Q-V when looking at how propellantless propulsion could work. The NASA/JSC Eagleworks (EW) Lab had good numerical calculation results when using this model in estimating the thrust levels observed in the EW Lab's copper frustum EMdrive test article with a polyethylene disc insert. I've appended several slides from that time period for your review.Best, Paul M.
Quote from: Star-Drive on 09/14/2019 04:50 pmQuote from: dustinthewind on 09/13/2019 03:19 pmQuote from: Bryan_Kelly on 09/12/2019 05:23 pmIMO, this is a very creative approach but perhaps overly ambitious, i.e., attempting interactions with the vacuum before gravity is mastered.The very nature of the vacuum is probably in space-time itself. Gravity waves are space-time waves. Particles are probably constructed from the very existence of space-time itself, or the vacuum. Gravity is probably related to this in that the energy of space-time starts depleating of energy around matter. As the energy depletes time slows down, SpaceTime shrinks like a balloon, getting cold, and the very fabric contracts. Objects experience more energy on one side of the vacuum than the other when experiencing gravity. The very nature of the lorentz contraction is probably related to the local vacuum surrounding the object. early inflation of the universe was probably due to energy being lost to space-time inflating the vacuum like a thermally inflated baloon such as black holes lose energy of space-time now. Some of that really just my speculation but I think there's a relationship that will probably be shown to be true with time.Dustinthewind:You might consider Dr. White's Quantum Vacuum (Q-V) conjecture which makes an attempt at combining Woodward's Mach-Effect (M-E) with the Magneto-Hydro-Dynamics (MHD) of the Q-V when looking at how propellantless propulsion could work. The NASA/JSC Eagleworks (EW) Lab had good numerical calculation results when using this model in estimating the thrust levels observed in the EW Lab's copper frustum EMdrive test article with a polyethylene disc insert. I've appended several slides from that time period for your review.Best, Paul M.Hi Paul M. I would just be speculating, If you don't mind me doing that then I'll say that I think the excitation of the vacuum is the heart of the quantum uncertainty and maybe even the pilot wave. For instance you take the nucleus of an atom that polarizes the vacuum e-p pairs via its electric field. These e-p pairs should vibrate with a minimum thermal background, similar to the fact we cant cool anything to absolute zero because the vacuum itself has a temperature. It captures an electron in this e-p pair cloud that is only partly polarized and the electron becomes a non-unique particle with an uncertainty based on the electric field and the thermal noise of the vacuum. I also think it is "possibly" related to radioactivity. An uneven distribution of electric field in the nucleus can lead to overly polarized vacuum via too much electric field, which may allow thermal vacuum annihilate the nucleus. This thermal noise of the vacuum is related to time. Less thermal noise is slower time, thermally deflate the baloon or shorten the plank length. Atomic clocks tick slower.I also think it's related to quantum tunneling and Feynman diagrams where particles travel backwards in time. Wheelers delayed choice experiment ect. I think large amounts of thermal noise in the vacuum are gravitationally repulsive (float away from gravity like a hot air baloon) so I think its possible the great voids in the vacuum may be repulsed from gravity and thermally energetic. These thermally excited voids may tick faster in time, compounded with gravity of galaxies slowing time, it may appear to make the galaxies rotate faster than normal on a galactic scale. This would be our dark energy/matter. Pushing the universe apart and making galaxies rotate faster. (This is also speculation and may be odd to think, but we live on one of the largest voids in our universe. I was pondering that large thermal voids may possibly be an indication of advanced civilizations, with warp drive, that are pumping large amounts of energy into the vacuum.) I think initially massive energy and accelerations and jerk of the particles in the creation of the universe pumped up the quantum vacuum possibly causing the rapid expansion. Now days it would be merging black holes possibly. I think the black holes slow, reducing their effective (relativistic mass) by sending out this energy into the quantum vacuum as space-time waves or vacuum waves. I was pondering Podkletnov's gravity impulse generator experiments were also a mach effect, in that he was accelerating electrons in superconductors possibly inducing a mach effect and his gravitational wave appeared to be repulsive or energetic vacuum.If they are inducing a mach effect in the dielectric in the EM drive cavity then I would possibly parallel that to inducing a jerk wave form in the dielectric such that it seems to asymmetrically pull on the vacuum in one direction. Not sure how it does that exactly in the EM drive cavity. I was trying to do it with a series of frequencies or sinusoidal displacements. Kind regards, Dustin M.
...Best, Paul M.
Quote from: Star-Drive on 09/14/2019 04:50 pmQuote from: dustinthewind on 09/13/2019 03:19 pmQuote from: Bryan_Kelly on 09/12/2019 05:23 pmIMO, this is a very creative approach but perhaps overly ambitious, i.e., attempting interactions with the vacuum before gravity is mastered.The very nature of the vacuum is probably in space-time itself. Gravity waves are space-time waves. Particles are probably constructed from the very existence of space-time itself, or the vacuum. Gravity is probably related to this in that the energy of space-time starts depleating of energy around matter. As the energy depletes time slows down, SpaceTime shrinks like a balloon, getting cold, and the very fabric contracts. Objects experience more energy on one side of the vacuum than the other when experiencing gravity. The very nature of the lorentz contraction is probably related to the local vacuum surrounding the object. early inflation of the universe was probably due to energy being lost to space-time inflating the vacuum like a thermally inflated baloon such as black holes lose energy of space-time now. Some of that really just my speculation but I think there's a relationship that will probably be shown to be true with time.Dustinthewind:You might consider Dr. White's Quantum Vacuum (Q-V) conjecture which makes an attempt at combining Woodward's Mach-Effect (M-E) with the Magneto-Hydro-Dynamics (MHD) of the Q-V when looking at how propellantless propulsion could work. The NASA/JSC Eagleworks (EW) Lab had good numerical calculation results when using this model in estimating the thrust levels observed in the EW Lab's copper frustum EMdrive test article with a polyethylene disc insert. I've appended several slides from that time period for your review.Best, Paul M.Hi Paul. Still in touch with Dr White?How did he dealt with the strong criticism, IN A ROW, of Dr Lawrence Krauss (Meberbs?), Dr Zubrin and even Marc Millis (who IS a guy who to some degree pursuits "exotic" physics space drives?I mean at Breakthrough Discuss 2018, 4:00:00 mark
Quote from: Star-Drive on 09/14/2019 08:32 pm...Best, Paul M.Oh sorry, I see the papers now. Thanks.