Thanks! And I don't think it costs "that" much, to be fair. Especially in the bigger picture.
I referenced, and even showed a picture, of the bunker (rubber room) in the article. It looks in good condition.As far as it's ranking, the Roller Coaster won the previous study
The pad is the worst place to be under with RP1 and Lox fire, separation charges, and hypergol fuels. The Apollo crew used the Launch Abort System LAS for escape. There are limited exits from the ML to the pad surface.
Quote from: Chris Bergin on 09/10/2012 07:25 pmI referenced, and even showed a picture, of the bunker (rubber room) in the article. It looks in good condition.As far as it's ranking, the Roller Coaster won the previous studysaw that, loved it, had never heard of it before and wanted to hear more that's all.
Quote from: GSE pad rat on 09/10/2012 08:13 pmThe pad is the worst place to be under with RP1 and Lox fire, separation charges, and hypergol fuels. The Apollo crew used the Launch Abort System LAS for escape. There are limited exits from the ML to the pad surface.Just so I understand this. It is more viable to ride a roller coaster or wire than to jump in an elevator, which instantly disconnects and drops via gravity into a 50 or 100 ft well decelerated by magnetic brakes and shield by blast doors. I am sure its easier to draw then to build but roller coasters aren't fast (initially) and their structural integrity is pretty important. What am I missing?
Quote from: Pheogh on 09/10/2012 08:46 pmQuote from: GSE pad rat on 09/10/2012 08:13 pmThe pad is the worst place to be under with RP1 and Lox fire, separation charges, and hypergol fuels. The Apollo crew used the Launch Abort System LAS for escape. There are limited exits from the ML to the pad surface.Just so I understand this. It is more viable to ride a roller coaster or wire than to jump in an elevator, which instantly disconnects and drops via gravity into a 50 or 100 ft well decelerated by magnetic brakes and shield by blast doors. I am sure its easier to draw then to build but roller coasters aren't fast (initially) and their structural integrity is pretty important. What am I missing?1.Digging people trapped under a pad that had a masive fire is harder that having them driven away rom the pad edge. 2. The drop is about 500 feet plus for free fall to pad surface and 60 ft more to below pad. 3. The elevator is part of the ML and would have to have a shaft aligned with the pad flame trench with blast doors automatically closing on launch able to withstand the water and thrust of the vehicle. The extension shaft would need to portable but able to survive the thrust forces of many launches. 4. Digging a hole in the pad structure for the shaft and room would be monumental task. 5. Acceleration would be very hard to control in a freefall, the G forces alone would be problematic to the riders. Roller coaster can use curve and twist to control acceleration.
Quote from: Pheogh on 09/10/2012 08:20 pmQuote from: Chris Bergin on 09/10/2012 07:25 pmI referenced, and even showed a picture, of the bunker (rubber room) in the article. It looks in good condition.As far as it's ranking, the Roller Coaster won the previous studysaw that, loved it, had never heard of it before and wanted to hear more that's all. I hear ya! We must try and find someone to interview about that, because it is fascinating. Didn't even know there was such a room until that set of pictures turned up via one of our pad rat friends.
Quote from: GSE pad rat on 09/10/2012 08:13 pmThe pad is the worst place to be under with RP1 and Lox fire, separation charges, and hypergol fuels. The Apollo crew used the Launch Abort System LAS for escape. There are limited exits from the ML to the pad surface.The PTCR chamber below the pad included high pressure gases, electrical substations and comm. rooms. There is no astronaut bunker on the pad. The elevator is too slow for crew escape and in the Apollo program there was no fixed service structure except the one mounted to the ML. There was no fixed structures at the pad during the Apollo program except under the pad surface.Suttle crew abort since it had no LAS,they used the baskets. The escspe baskets go to the west side of the pad next to a bunker where an armored vehcile was stationed during launches.SLS/ Ares I program changed to the roller coaster for crew abort with close out crew prior to the close out of the pad. After close out the LAS is the primary crew abort system. The SLS uses an ML like Apollo and the roler coaster has to interface with the ML. Just so I understand this. It is more viable to ride a roller coaster or wire than to jump in an elevator, which instantly disconnects and drops via gravity into a 50 or 100 ft well decelerated by magnetic brakes and shield by blast doors. I am sure its easier to draw then to build but roller coasters aren't fast (initially) and their structural integrity is pretty important. What am I missing?
The pad is the worst place to be under with RP1 and Lox fire, separation charges, and hypergol fuels. The Apollo crew used the Launch Abort System LAS for escape. There are limited exits from the ML to the pad surface.The PTCR chamber below the pad included high pressure gases, electrical substations and comm. rooms. There is no astronaut bunker on the pad. The elevator is too slow for crew escape and in the Apollo program there was no fixed service structure except the one mounted to the ML. There was no fixed structures at the pad during the Apollo program except under the pad surface.Suttle crew abort since it had no LAS,they used the baskets. The escspe baskets go to the west side of the pad next to a bunker where an armored vehcile was stationed during launches.SLS/ Ares I program changed to the roller coaster for crew abort with close out crew prior to the close out of the pad. After close out the LAS is the primary crew abort system. The SLS uses an ML like Apollo and the roler coaster has to interface with the ML.