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The DC-3 Fully Reusable Space Shuttle early Concept

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DC-3 was a fully reusable launch vehicle two-stage-to-orbit spaceplane Designed by Maxime Faget and was one of several early design proposals for the NASA Space Shuttle  at the Manned Spacecraft Center in Houston.

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A TWO-STAGE FIXED WING
SPACE TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM
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Volume II Preliminary Design
Contract No. NAS 9-9204 Schedule II
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Re: The DC-3 Fully Reusable Space Shuttle early Concept
« Reply #1 on: 01/28/2022 01:30 pm »
There were several concepts like this, but NASA chose the Shuttle with solid boosters instead.  In the long run, a two stage reusable rocket or space planes would have been cheaper to operate I would think.  The booster plane especially would have cut the operating costs.  Solids cost as much new as reusable.  Then the shuttle expended the tank.  Nothing would have been expended.  The booster plane, if robust enough would have taken very little refurbishment to reuse.  The upper orbital stage might have taken about the same refurbishment as shuttle.  There would have probably been no Challenger explosion.

I'm surprised Boeing and Lockheed haven't come up with something like this.  One do the booster and one the orbiter, and let ULA operate it.   
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Re: The DC-3 Fully Reusable Space Shuttle early Concept
« Reply #2 on: 01/28/2022 02:21 pm »

I'm surprised Boeing and Lockheed haven't come up with something like this.  One do the booster and one the orbiter, and let ULA operate it.   

Development costs are too high

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Re: The DC-3 Fully Reusable Space Shuttle early Concept
« Reply #3 on: 01/28/2022 03:25 pm »
I was told by someone who was involved in the review of these early concepts that some of the astronauts were not thrilled by the manned booster concepts because of the abort scenarios that would sacrifice the crew on the booster.  He said this is why they favored unmanned boosters.

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Re: The DC-3 Fully Reusable Space Shuttle early Concept
« Reply #4 on: 01/28/2022 03:47 pm »
There were several concepts like this, but NASA chose the Shuttle with solid boosters instead.  In the long run, a two stage reusable rocket or space planes would have been cheaper to operate I would think.  The booster plane especially would have cut the operating costs.  Solids cost as much new as reusable.  Then the shuttle expended the tank.  Nothing would have been expended.  The booster plane, if robust enough would have taken very little refurbishment to reuse.  The upper orbital stage might have taken about the same refurbishment as shuttle.  There would have probably been no Challenger explosion.

I'm surprised Boeing and Lockheed haven't come up with something like this.  One do the booster and one the orbiter, and let ULA operate it.   

While the Shuttle was flying.  There was several proposals to replace the Solid's with Liquid fly-back boosters that would land back autonomously at KSC.  I think one of the proposals even showed how long term it would save money and boost performance.  These are covered in the Jenkins books on the Shuttle.     
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Re: The DC-3 Fully Reusable Space Shuttle early Concept
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