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Offline TrevorMonty

Looking like there could be race between MLV and Neutron for maiden launch.
Firefly engine development is going well, launch site is given as they are using Antares and now a success tank test.


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Re: NG teams with Firefly: Eclipse MLV & Miranda/Vira Engines
« Reply #261 on: 10/23/2024 10:08 am »
The Firefly MLV first stage was planned to be used first on the NGIS Antares 330. Has this changed?
If this hasn't changed, the race to launch first is between Antares 330 and Rocketlab Neutron. There is very likely going to be more US medium launch service providers is a couple of years.

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I think MLV and Antares share same booster. Antares is using exist SRM US which is flight proven at cost of large payload hit but good enough for Cygnus which is NG's main focus.

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Re: NG teams with Firefly: Eclipse MLV & Miranda/Vira Engines
« Reply #263 on: 12/02/2024 08:05 pm »
Some updates/status as of October

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/10/29/firefly-aerospace-ceo-jason-kim-rockets-spacecraft-moon-missions.html [Oct 29]

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MLV (Medium Launch Vehicle), standing at 183 feet, is designed to launch as much as 16,300 kilograms of payload to orbit. The intended successor to Northrop Grumman’s Antares rockets, the pair of companies are co-developing MLV and aim to launch it for the first time in 2026.

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“We’re making huge strides on MLV,” Kim said. “We’ve had 50 Miranda engine tests already.”

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Before MLV debuts, Firefly will also be delivering part of Northrop’s Antares 330 rocket, with a first stage similar to MLV’s, by the third quarter of next year.

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Re: NG teams with Firefly: Eclipse MLV & Miranda/Vira Engines
« Reply #265 on: 01/04/2025 03:15 pm »
The MLV is going to flight this year?
Antares 330, which uses Firefly first stage engines, is scheduled to fly in August this year. MLV is scheduled to fly in 2026.
« Last Edit: 01/04/2025 03:15 pm by deltaV »

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Re: NG teams with Firefly: Eclipse MLV & Miranda/Vira Engines
« Reply #266 on: 01/04/2025 04:08 pm »
And Firefly Alpha; when will it start launching from MARS Pad 0A?
A second more hypothetical question. What would a Centaur V second stage on the Firefly MLV provide for launch performance? Would this have significant higher payload capability than with the Vira upperstage? (Antares 350)
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Re: NG teams with Firefly: Eclipse MLV & Miranda/Vira Engines
« Reply #267 on: 01/04/2025 07:09 pm »
The MLV is going to flight this year?
Antares 330, which uses Firefly first stage engines, is scheduled to fly in August this year. MLV is scheduled to fly in 2026.
Not just first stage engines, the entire first stage is the same for Antares 330 and MLV. This is why I personally consider MLV to basically be "Antares 340."

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Re: NG teams with Firefly: Eclipse MLV & Miranda/Vira Engines
« Reply #268 on: 01/04/2025 08:00 pm »
The MLV is going to flight this year?
Antares 330, which uses Firefly first stage engines, is scheduled to fly in August this year. MLV is scheduled to fly in 2026.

That’s outdated, the current quote is that Antares 330 is scheduled to launch sometime in Q4 2025 to Q1 2026, “depending on exactly FF ships the first stage of the rocket “

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Re: NG teams with Firefly: Eclipse MLV & Miranda/Vira Engines
« Reply #269 on: 01/04/2025 09:47 pm »
That’s outdated, the current quote is that Antares 330 is scheduled to launch sometime in Q4 2025 to Q1 2026, “depending on exactly FF ships the first stage of the rocket “

Are you a space industry insider passing on information that wasn't formerly publicly available? I ask because all the public sources I've found still point to an August 2025 first flight. For example Salo's US launch schedule (https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=8184.msg2652645#msg2652645) and https://nextspaceflight.com/launches/details/7072 show NET August 2025.

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Re: NG teams with Firefly: Eclipse MLV & Miranda/Vira Engines
« Reply #270 on: 01/04/2025 11:09 pm »
And Firefly Alpha; when will it start launching from MARS Pad 0A?
A second more hypothetical question. What would a Centaur V second stage on the Firefly MLV provide for launch performance? Would this have significant higher payload capability than with the Vira upperstage? (Antares 350)
The Antares 330/MLV first stage is 4.32 meters in diameter, while the Centaur V is 5.4 meters (both numbers sourced from Wikipedia, I'm open to correction here). While that's not an insurmountable challenge (if anything, the difficulties of ULA and Northrop Grumman/Firefly collaborating probably poses greater issues), it does make the configuration seem unlikely to me.

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Re: NG teams with Firefly: Eclipse MLV & Miranda/Vira Engines
« Reply #271 on: 01/05/2025 02:23 am »
That’s outdated, the current quote is that Antares 330 is scheduled to launch sometime in Q4 2025 to Q1 2026, “depending on exactly FF ships the first stage of the rocket “

Are you a space industry insider passing on information that wasn't formerly publicly available? I ask because all the public sources I've found still point to an August 2025 first flight. For example Salo's US launch schedule (https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=8184.msg2652645#msg2652645) and https://nextspaceflight.com/launches/details/7072 show NET August 2025.

From the CNBC article: "MLV (Medium Launch Vehicle), standing at 183 feet, is designed to launch as much as 16,300 kilograms of payload to orbit. The intended successor to Northrop Grumman’s Antares rockets, the pair of companies are co-developing MLV and aim to launch it for the first time in 2026."
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Re: NG teams with Firefly: Eclipse MLV & Miranda/Vira Engines
« Reply #272 on: 01/05/2025 03:34 am »
That’s outdated, the current quote is that Antares 330 is scheduled to launch sometime in Q4 2025 to Q1 2026, “depending on exactly FF ships the first stage of the rocket “

Are you a space industry insider passing on information that wasn't formerly publicly available? I ask because all the public sources I've found still point to an August 2025 first flight. For example Salo's US launch schedule (https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=8184.msg2652645#msg2652645) and https://nextspaceflight.com/launches/details/7072 show NET August 2025.

From the CNBC article: "MLV (Medium Launch Vehicle), standing at 183 feet, is designed to launch as much as 16,300 kilograms of payload to orbit. The intended successor to Northrop Grumman’s Antares rockets, the pair of companies are co-developing MLV and aim to launch it for the first time in 2026."
deltaV asked for a citation claiming that Antares 330 would launch "sometime in Q4 2025 to Q1 2026." You gave a citation that MLV will launch in 2026. You are aware that Antares 330 and MLV are not the same rocket (despite sharing the same first stage), right?

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Re: NG teams with Firefly: Eclipse MLV & Miranda/Vira Engines
« Reply #273 on: 01/05/2025 03:02 pm »
That’s outdated, the current quote is that Antares 330 is scheduled to launch sometime in Q4 2025 to Q1 2026, “depending on exactly FF ships the first stage of the rocket “

Are you a space industry insider passing on information that wasn't formerly publicly available? I ask because all the public sources I've found still point to an August 2025 first flight. For example Salo's US launch schedule (https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=8184.msg2652645#msg2652645) and https://nextspaceflight.com/launches/details/7072 show NET August 2025.

https://arstechnica.com/space/2024/07/firefly-is-building-fast-and-breaking-things-on-path-to-a-reusable-rocket/

From July

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Firefly is moving fast to deliver the first booster stage for the Antares 330 to Northrop Grumman early next year, according to Weber. Once the booster is transported to the Antares launch site at Wallops Island, Virginia, technicians will complete assembly and install the rocket's upper stage. Antares 330 is scheduled to make its first launch in late 2025 or early 2026, Weber said.

More recently (December 10 2024), and more ambiguously, Jason Kim said "we’re going to deliver that MLV first stage next year" https://open.spotify.com/episode/4rZBMqAYvK2FTzVllKRXnE  (~33:00) Which does make it sound like Antares 330 S1 delivery is still planned for 2025.

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Re: NG teams with Firefly: Eclipse MLV & Miranda/Vira Engines
« Reply #274 on: 01/05/2025 04:22 pm »
https://arstechnica.com/space/2024/07/firefly-is-building-fast-and-breaking-things-on-path-to-a-reusable-rocket/

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Antares 330 is scheduled to make its first launch in late 2025 or early 2026, Weber said.

Thanks for that citation. Berger's law suggests that the launch will be in 2026.

Edit: Maybe NG 23 in August 2025 will switch to Falcon like NG 20 - NG 22 did and NG 24 in Q1 2026 will be the Antares 330 maiden flight?
« Last Edit: 01/05/2025 04:32 pm by deltaV »

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Re: NG teams with Firefly: Eclipse MLV & Miranda/Vira Engines
« Reply #275 on: 02/01/2025 10:18 pm »
Some news/updates from SpaceCom 2025.

https://twitter.com/SpaceflightNow/status/1884675536665862176 [Jan 29]

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Nicole Jordan Martinez, Business Development and Strategy, Launch Vehicles Division, @northropgrumman, says the Antares 330 will fly three times before transitioning to the Medium Launch Vehicle.

Both will fly a first stage built by @Firefly_Space and Firefly will provide the upper stage of MLV as well.

Aaron Prescott, Sr. Director, Global Commercial Sales, Firefly Aerospace, says they’re “on track” for delivery of the Miranda engines and the A330 first stage, but doesn’t elaborate on a date.

https://twitter.com/SpaceflightNow/status/1884681139505266741

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Prescott says they expect to deliver the first A330 first stage to Northrop Grumman this year. Says they’ve completed 52 tests of the Miranda engines, including a full power firing.

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Jordan Martinez says the A330’s three flights will be to send Cygnus spacecraft to the ISS.

https://twitter.com/SpaceflightNow/status/1884683675800924469

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Jordan Martinez says they looking at launching from Vandenberg for the MLV.

Prescott adds that Firefly still has a lease on SLC-20 at Cape Canaveral and says they “hope to bring MLV there.”

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Re: NG teams with Firefly: Eclipse MLV & Miranda/Vira Engines
« Reply #276 on: 02/18/2025 07:58 pm »
https://twitter.com/firefly_space/status/1891955351865413936

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MLV flight hardware complete! Our LOX and propellant tanks just rolled off the production line, powered by cutting-edge automation. Watch our Automated Fiber Placement machine and 7-axis Robotic PowerMill turn precision engineering into reality. Stay tuned for more.

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Re: NG teams with Firefly: Eclipse MLV & Miranda/Vira Engines
« Reply #277 on: 03/31/2025 10:55 am »
So far we know it will:

- Be made of Carbon Composite

- Have ~16t to LEO, 3.2t to GTO, and 2.3t to TLI

- Have a Booster powered by 7 Miranda Engines, and an US powered by 1 Vira

- Be partially reusable, with apparently a Mechazilla-esque catching mechanism

- use LOX / RP-1 propellants, with tap-off combustion cycles

I’ll edit this to include anything else major we know. I couldn’t find a thread on this so far, so I decided to make one  ;D

Any updates or discussion is welcome here! :3

[zubenelgenubi: Duplicate threads merged.]
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Re: NG teams with Firefly: Eclipse MLV & Miranda/Vira Engines
« Reply #278 on: 03/31/2025 02:14 pm »
Chopsticks style recovery is news to me (although now that you mention it, I think I do recall a hint of that). In the past they mentioned legs. Do you have a source?
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Re: NG teams with Firefly: Eclipse MLV & Miranda/Vira Engines
« Reply #279 on: 03/31/2025 02:23 pm »
Chopsticks style recovery is news to me (although now that you mention it, I think I do recall a hint of that). In the past they mentioned legs. Do you have a source?

It's from this article -> https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2024/09/firefly-mlv-testing/

Although, it's not necessarily chopsticks but just active ground systems that could take multiple forms (e.g. that wire system that will be used by LM9)
« Last Edit: 03/31/2025 02:28 pm by lightleviathan »

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