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Re: SpaceX SmallSat Rideshare Program
« Reply #60 on: 08/10/2019 01:01 am »
Which is why Rocket Lab is also supplying the Curie and Photon. Which gives them an edge if this market section is too limited for SpaceX to go after. But it would likely be offered en masse on StarShip as well when the time comes.

This 'moats don't work, only the rate of innovation' thing is amazing. As long as enough competitors survive to be at each others' throats, that is.
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Re: SpaceX SmallSat Rideshare Program
« Reply #61 on: 08/10/2019 01:30 am »
I don't know if RL can beat SpaceX, but they can push the price low enough that it won't be worth SpaceX's time and effort to compete.
I thought so too until I saw that Rocketlab just increased their price to $7.5 million.

I personally think there's room for both. Rocketlab has earned their place, IMHO, by executing very well.
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Re: SpaceX SmallSat Rideshare Program
« Reply #62 on: 08/16/2019 01:36 am »
He says that, but I think a reusable Electron could actually knock on SpaceX's door for cost to launch these small birds. Particularly if they figure out reusable upper stage (think HIAD) down the road.

Their payload capacity is less than 300kg (depening on orbit), so I don't think it is credible that they could fly *any* payload if they made their upper stage reusable. It's hard enough to do for F9 which has ~40-50x more capacity. Recovery hardware does not scale down well.

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Re: SpaceX SmallSat Rideshare Program
« Reply #63 on: 08/16/2019 10:42 am »
I don't know if RL can beat SpaceX, but they can push the price low enough that it won't be worth SpaceX's time and effort to compete.
I thought so too until I saw that Rocketlab just increased their price to $7.5 million.

I personally think there's room for both. Rocketlab has earned their place, IMHO, by executing very well.

In the end, it's the same reason SpaceX isn't going under $40 million: There are plenty of people willing to pay that price and they're a business that needs to make money. I have no doubt that rocket lab will be able to compete, they really know what they're doing outside of simple cost competition. They already have multiple great value-adds with Photon, Curie and soon a stockpile of quick-to-launch boosters.
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Re: SpaceX SmallSat Rideshare Program
« Reply #64 on: 08/17/2019 12:01 am »
I think it’s all Rocket Lab’s competitors who really have to worry more than RL.

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Re: SpaceX SmallSat Rideshare Program
« Reply #65 on: 08/22/2019 06:26 pm »
Momentus To Provide In-Space Transportation Service to its Customers On SpaceX SmallSat Rideshare Launch
   
Service to deliver customer satellites to multiple custom orbits from a single Falcon 9 launch

We are excited to have Momentus as SpaceX’s first customer on a dedicated small satellite rideshare mission --Gwynne Shotwell, President and Chief Operating Officer at SpaceX.


SANTA CLARA, CALIF. (PRWEB) AUGUST 22, 2019

Momentus (http://www.momentus.space), provider of in-space shuttle services that move satellites between orbits, today announced plans to provide orbital shuttle service to its customers on SpaceX’s first dedicated SmallSat Rideshare mission. Momentus’ Vigoride orbital shuttle will carry multiple customer satellites, with a total mass up to 250 kg, each to its own custom orbit on a mission scheduled to launch no earlier than late 2020. As part of this launch, Momentus will offer its customers the ability to access multiple destination orbits through its in-space last-mile transportation services.

A graduate of the prestigious Y Combinator program and based in Santa Clara, California, Momentus recently announced a $25.5MM Series A, bringing total funding to $34M. Momentus employs new and proprietary technology including water plasma propulsion for the mission of low-cost sustainable transportation through space. Momentus’ Vigoride orbital shuttle, which is designed and built in-house, is powered by proprietary water plasma propulsion to ferry satellites from one orbit to another.

“We are showing that ridesharing from the Falcon 9 will be a game-changer. By ferrying payloads to multiple orbits from a single launch, we multiply the capability of an already very impressive system,” said Mikhail Kokorich, CEO of Momentus. “I’m personally thrilled to have the opportunity to work with SpaceX.”

“We are excited to have Momentus as SpaceX’s first customer on a dedicated small satellite rideshare mission,” said Gwynne Shotwell, President and Chief Operating Officer at SpaceX. “Their innovative technology will offer a strong complement to Falcon 9’s capability to reliably and affordably launch payloads for small satellite operators.”

About Momentus

Momentus provides in-space shuttle services for satellites. The company was founded in 2017 in Santa Clara, CA with the idea to revolutionize space transportation. Momentus designs and builds orbital shuttles propelled by proprietary water plasma thrusters. The service ferries satellites to final orbits after they are delivered by conventional rockets to their initial orbit. Momentus is a 30 person team growing rapidly. The company has raised $34MM to date.

For more information and a list of job openings, please visit us at http://www.momentus.space/careers
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Re: SpaceX SmallSat Rideshare Program
« Reply #66 on: 08/22/2019 06:32 pm »
I'd love to know the details of what Momentus is offering -- what orbits, how long it will take to get to each, and the cost.  Then we can compare it to what the dedicated smallsat launchers are offering.

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Re: SpaceX SmallSat Rideshare Program
« Reply #67 on: 08/22/2019 06:43 pm »
The Momentus website lists three vehicles:

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    Vigoride

 Satellites with masses up to 250 kg can be moved from ISS orbit all the way up to 2,000 km on Vigoride. Vigoride can be launched from an ESPA or ESPA Grande ring, from ISS airlocks, or from almost any small dedicated launcher or larger rideshare vehicle.

    Wet Mass (without Payload): 80 kg
    Maximum Payload Mass: 250 kg
    Total Impulse: >100,000 N-s
    Maximum ΔV: >1 km/s for 50 kg payload

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    Vigoride™Extended

Transporting satellites with masses up to 300 kg from LEO to GTO, or up to 100 kg directly from LEO to GEO, Lunar orbit, and beyond is possible on a Vigoride Extended. Vigoride Extended can be launched from an ESPA Grande ring or from almost any small dedicated launcher or larger rideshare vehicle.

    Wet Mass (without Payload): 450 kg
    Maximum Payload Mass: 300 kg
    Total Impulse: >1,500,000 N-s
    Maximum ΔV: >5 km/s for 100 kg payload

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    Ardoride™

Deliver up to 4 tons of payload from GTO to GEO or up to 500 kg directly from LEO to GEO and beyond on a mighty Ardoride. Ardoride can also change orbit inclinations by 45 degrees.

    Wet Mass (without Payload): 1800 kg
    Maximum Payload Mass: 4000 kg
    Total Impulse: >7,500,000 N-s
    Maximum ΔV: >5 km/s for 500 kg payload

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Re: SpaceX SmallSat Rideshare Program
« Reply #68 on: 08/22/2019 06:53 pm »
Press release says it's the smaller one (Vigoride)

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Re: SpaceX SmallSat Rideshare Program
« Reply #69 on: 08/22/2019 06:56 pm »
Attached are the datasheets for the Vigoride and Vigoride Extended vehicles.  No datasheets are available for the Ardoride.

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Re: SpaceX SmallSat Rideshare Program
« Reply #70 on: 08/22/2019 06:58 pm »
Wondering if their water propulsion is an outgrowth of DSI tech?
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Re: SpaceX SmallSat Rideshare Program
« Reply #71 on: 08/22/2019 07:11 pm »
Assuming that they would paid upfront for both the tug (80kg) and the satellite(s) attached to it (up to 250kg) that makes $4.95M to SpaceX, according to the SpaceX pricing. However I would bet that they will pay the extra only later once they sell more than 70kg of capacity, if they are able to do so.

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Re: SpaceX SmallSat Rideshare Program
« Reply #72 on: 08/22/2019 07:50 pm »
$1.2m for Vigoride and $3.5m for extended.

Extended opens up GEO, Lunar orbits and interplanetary missions to 300kg smallsats. A smallsat can pack lot payload into 300kg especially if bulk of missions DV has been done by Vigoride.

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« Reply #73 on: 08/23/2019 04:58 am »
Wondering if their water propulsion is an outgrowth of DSI tech?

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Momentus Space was founded by space entrepreneur Mikhail Kokorich and his partner Lev Khasis in Santa Clara in 2017. Momentus was originally born out of discussions with satellite operators seeking more affordable space transportation. Momentus is developing  in-space propulsion systems powered by microwave electro-thermal (MET) water plasma engines. Momentus Space is the first in-space transportation services company built around high performance water plasma rocket propulsion. Momentus’ water plasma propulsions systems use water which is cheap, non-toxic, and considered safe, and easy to work with. Water based propulsion could provide a path to breaking the ties of space industries to the Earth by allowing resupply from asteroids.

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Re: SpaceX SmallSat Rideshare Program
« Reply #74 on: 08/23/2019 05:48 am »


Wondering if their water propulsion is an outgrowth of DSI tech?

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Momentus Space was founded by space entrepreneur Mikhail Kokorich and his partner Lev Khasis in Santa Clara in 2017. Momentus was originally born out of discussions with satellite operators seeking more affordable space transportation. Momentus is developing  in-space propulsion systems powered by microwave electro-thermal (MET) water plasma engines. Momentus Space is the first in-space transportation services company built around high performance water plasma rocket propulsion. Momentus’ water plasma propulsions systems use water which is cheap, non-toxic, and considered safe, and easy to work with. Water based propulsion could provide a path to breaking the ties of space industries to the Earth by allowing resupply from asteroids.

Look like is her own technologie and her own vision...


https://golden.com/wiki/Momentus_Space

DSI were bought by Bradford, they are pushing DSI Comet water thruster which has lot lower ISP of around 170. Momentus aren't selling their thruster, more money in selling   OTVs than thrusters.

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Re: SpaceX SmallSat Rideshare Program
« Reply #75 on: 08/23/2019 08:23 pm »


Wondering if their water propulsion is an outgrowth of DSI tech?

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Momentus Space was founded by space entrepreneur Mikhail Kokorich and his partner Lev Khasis in Santa Clara in 2017. Momentus was originally born out of discussions with satellite operators seeking more affordable space transportation. Momentus is developing  in-space propulsion systems powered by microwave electro-thermal (MET) water plasma engines. Momentus Space is the first in-space transportation services company built around high performance water plasma rocket propulsion. Momentus’ water plasma propulsions systems use water which is cheap, non-toxic, and considered safe, and easy to work with. Water based propulsion could provide a path to breaking the ties of space industries to the Earth by allowing resupply from asteroids.

Look like is her own technologie and her own vision...


https://golden.com/wiki/Momentus_Space

DSI were bought by Bradford, they are pushing DSI Comet water thruster which has lot lower ISP of around 170. Momentus aren't selling their thruster, more money in selling   OTVs than thrusters.

Yeah, but that will depend, if in the future the small constelations of satellites, start to put water thruster to her small cubesats-smallsats and with a clean propulsion...the Bradford idea is really good, but we will see...
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Re: SpaceX SmallSat Rideshare Program
« Reply #76 on: 08/29/2019 12:51 am »
https://twitter.com/thesheetztweetz/status/1166875475446247427

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Update from @SpaceX on its recently announced Smallsat Rideshare program:

3 annual missions now, up from 1 per year, after feedback from customers.

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Re: SpaceX SmallSat Rideshare Program
« Reply #77 on: 08/29/2019 01:04 am »
The mid-incination opportunities I suppose are starlink launches...

https://www.spacex.com/smallsat

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It spells it out:
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SpaceX's Starlink missions will also provide monthly launch opportunities starting in 2020.
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Re: SpaceX SmallSat Rideshare Program
« Reply #78 on: 08/29/2019 02:20 am »
That price is extremely low.  It doesn't seem like they could make much if any money on it.

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« Reply #79 on: 08/29/2019 03:30 am »
That is a torpedo to the line of flotation of the new small launchers companies...
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