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Title: FAILURE - Jilin-1 Mofang-01A (?) - SQX-1 - Jiuquan - August 3, 2021 (07:39 UTC)
Post by: zubenelgenubi on 06/30/2021 10:57 pm
Cross-post:
Spaceflightfans.cn <snip>
Shuang Quxian-1 (Y5) on July 20 (TBD)
<snip>

Launch date is now listed as circa July 10, same web site--no payload announced. (http://www.spaceflightfans.cn/event/%e3%80%90tbd%e3%80%91%e5%8f%8c%e6%9b%b2%e7%ba%bf%e4%b8%80%e5%8f%b7%e9%81%a5%e4%ba%94%e7%81%ab%e7%ae%ad-%e2%80%a2-%e5%a4%a9%e4%b9%a6%e5%8f%91%e5%b0%84%e5%a4%b1%e5%88%a9%e5%90%8e?instance_id=4874)

Previous orbital launch threads for this vehicle:
SQX-1 maiden flight July 25, 2019, with multiple payloads (https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=48087.0)
Failed SQX-1 flight on February 1, 2021, with an unknown payload or payloads (https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=52084.0)
Title: Re: ?? - SQX-1 - Jiuquan - ~10 July 2021
Post by: Vahe231991 on 07/04/2021 02:22 pm
The name of the payload for the upcoming third SQX-1 launch is given as Tianshu at Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_spaceflight_launches_in_July%E2%80%93December_2021#July).
Title: Re: ?? - SQX-1 - Jiuquan - ~10 July 2021
Post by: gongora on 07/04/2021 09:09 pm
The name of the payload for the upcoming third SQX-1 launch is given as Tianshu at Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_spaceflight_launches_in_July%E2%80%93December_2021#July).

The reference listed in Wikipedia seems iffy.
Title: Re: Tianshu - SQX-1 - Jiuquan - ~10 July 2021
Post by: russianhalo117 on 07/04/2021 09:14 pm
The name of the payload for the upcoming third SQX-1 launch is given as Tianshu at Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_spaceflight_launches_in_July%E2%80%93December_2021#July).

The reference listed in Wikipedia seems iffy.

(spaceflight.cn) (http://www.spaceflightfans.cn/event/%E3%80%90tbd%E3%80%91%E5%8F%8C%E6%9B%B2%E7%BA%BF%E4%B8%80%E5%8F%B7%E9%81%A5%E4%BA%94%E7%81%AB%E7%AE%AD-%E2%80%A2-%E5%A4%A9%E4%B9%A6%E5%8F%91%E5%B0%84%E5%A4%B1%E5%88%A9%E5%90%8E)

The site for the reference is correct date wise but is updated to no longer state a payload.
Title: Re: ?? - SQX-1 - Jiuquan - ~10 July 2021
Post by: zubenelgenubi on 07/04/2021 10:10 pm
The name of the payload for the upcoming third SQX-1 launch is given as Tianshu at Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_spaceflight_launches_in_July%E2%80%93December_2021#July).
The reference listed in Wikipedia seems iffy.
My opinion:
Tianshu (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Book_from_the_Sky), a work of art, could be a secondary payload, but I doubt it would be the primary or sole payload.

Also, one could choose to name a satellite after a work of art.  (But that does not mean the work of art IS the payload.)

We shall see.
Title: Re: ? - SQX-1 - Jiuquan - ~10 July 2021
Post by: Vahe231991 on 07/09/2021 02:11 pm
Cross-post:
Spaceflightfans.cn <snip>
Shuang Quxian-1 (Y5) on July 20 (TBD)
<snip>

Launch date is now listed as circa July 10, same web site--no payload announced. (http://www.spaceflightfans.cn/event/%e3%80%90tbd%e3%80%91%e5%8f%8c%e6%9b%b2%e7%ba%bf%e4%b8%80%e5%8f%b7%e9%81%a5%e4%ba%94%e7%81%ab%e7%ae%ad-%e2%80%a2-%e5%a4%a9%e4%b9%a6%e5%8f%91%e5%b0%84%e5%a4%b1%e5%88%a9%e5%90%8e?instance_id=4874)

Previous orbital launch threads for this vehicle:
SQX-1 maiden flight July 25, 2019, with multiple payloads (https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=48087.0)
Failed SQX-1 flight on February 1, 2021, with an unknown payload or payloads (https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=52084.0)
The cited link now states that the SQX-1/Hyperbola-1 launch is now scheduled for July 31.
Title: Re: ?? - SQX-1 - Jiuquan - July 2021
Post by: zubenelgenubi on 07/09/2021 05:22 pm
The cited link now states that the SQX-1/Hyperbola-1 launch is now scheduled for July 31.
For spaceflightfans.cn, this means sometime in July, TBD.
Title: Re: ?? - SQX-1 - Jiuquan - July 2021
Post by: Vahe231991 on 07/18/2021 02:01 pm
The cited link now states that the SQX-1/Hyperbola-1 launch is now scheduled for July 31.
For spaceflightfans.cn, this means sometime in July, TBD.
The launch has been delayed to August 31. (http://www.spaceflightfans.cn/event/%E3%80%90tbd%E3%80%91%E5%8F%8C%E6%9B%B2%E7%BA%BF%E4%B8%80%E5%8F%B7%E9%81%A5%E4%BA%94%E7%81%AB%E7%AE%AD-%E2%80%A2-%E5%A4%A9%E4%B9%A6%E5%8F%91%E5%B0%84%E5%A4%B1%E5%88%A9%E5%90%8E)
= August TBD
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Title: Re: ?? - SQX-1 - Jiuquan - July 2021
Post by: zubenelgenubi on 07/23/2021 11:34 pm
The cited link now states that the SQX-1/Hyperbola-1 launch is now scheduled for July 31.
For spaceflightfans.cn, this means sometime in July, TBD.
The launch has been delayed to August 31. (http://www.spaceflightfans.cn/event/%E3%80%90tbd%E3%80%91%E5%8F%8C%E6%9B%B2%E7%BA%BF%E4%B8%80%E5%8F%B7%E9%81%A5%E4%BA%94%E7%81%AB%E7%AE%AD-%E2%80%A2-%E5%A4%A9%E4%B9%A6%E5%8F%91%E5%B0%84%E5%A4%B1%E5%88%A9%E5%90%8E)
= August TBD
[edit zubenelgenubi]

Now, the same page shows July TBD, again.
Title: Re: ?? - SQX-1 - Jiuquan - July 2021
Post by: Fmedici on 07/30/2021 11:08 am
The cited link now states that the SQX-1/Hyperbola-1 launch is now scheduled for July 31.
For spaceflightfans.cn, this means sometime in July, TBD.
The launch has been delayed to August 31. (http://www.spaceflightfans.cn/event/%E3%80%90tbd%E3%80%91%E5%8F%8C%E6%9B%B2%E7%BA%BF%E4%B8%80%E5%8F%B7%E9%81%A5%E4%BA%94%E7%81%AB%E7%AE%AD-%E2%80%A2-%E5%A4%A9%E4%B9%A6%E5%8F%91%E5%B0%84%E5%A4%B1%E5%88%A9%E5%90%8E)
= August TBD
[edit zubenelgenubi]

Now, the same page shows July TBD, again.

Moved again to August TBD.
Title: Re: ?? - SQX-1 - Jiuquan - NET August 2021
Post by: Galactic Penguin SST on 08/02/2021 07:18 am
A fellow Chinese rocket launch photographer (https://m.weibo.cn/detail/4665715669604473) is reporting that this launch will happen very soon (and he's unable to attend), one comment below saying that will happen tomorrow.

No air space closure notices to back this up yet.
Title: Re: ?? - SQX-1 - Jiuquan - NET August 3 (?), 2021
Post by: Notleslie on 08/02/2021 09:44 am
Possible NOTAM

A0753/21 NOTAMN
Q) VCCF/QRDCA/IV/BO/W/000/999/0116N09120E030
A) VCCF B) 2108030743 C) 2108030815
E) DUE TO AN AEROSPACE FLIGHT ACT BY CHINA, FOLLOWING AREA WI COLOMBO
FIR DECLARED AS A TEMPO DNG ZONE.
004651N0912809E - 005154N0910138E - 014517N0911142E - 014013N0913813E
- 004651N0912809E
ATS RTE 'M766' NOT AVBL BTN 'GUTOX' AND 'SELSU'
F) SFC G) UNL

Title: Re: ?? - SQX-1 - Jiuquan - August 3, 2021 (~07:45 UTC)
Post by: Conexion Espacial on 08/03/2021 12:44 am
the restrcited area.

A1830/21 NOTAMN
Q) ZLHW/QARLC/IV/NBO/E/000/999/
A) ZLHW B) 2108030620 C) 2108030740
------------------------------------------------
10m apart
------------------------------------------------
A1831/21 NOTAMN
Q) ZLHW/QARLC/IV/NBO/E/000/999/
A) ZLHW B) 2108030750 C) 2108030910
Title: Re: ?? - SQX-1 - Jiuquan - August 3, 2021 (~07:45 UTC)
Post by: Conexion Espacial on 08/03/2021 01:08 am
NOTAM for Launch

A0753/21 NOTAMN
Q) VCCF/QRDCA/IV/BO/W/000/999/0116N09120E030
A) VCCF B) 2108030743 C) 2108030815
E) DUE TO AN AEROSPACE FLIGHT ACT BY CHINA, FOLLOWING AREA WI COLOMBO
FIR DECLARED AS A TEMPO DNG ZONE.
004651N0912809E – 005154N0910138E – 014517N0911142E – 014013N0913813E
– 004651N0912809E
ATS RTE ‘M766’ NOT AVBL BTN ‘GUTOX’ AND ‘SELSU’
F) SFC G) UNL

Window for Launch: 07:43-08:15 UTC.
Title: Re: ?? - SQX-1 - Jiuquan - August 3, 2021 (~07:45 UTC)
Post by: otter on 08/03/2021 07:56 am
Launch video (kind of)

https://weibo.com/5616492130/KrKwycvwP

upd: this weibo post was deleted
Title: Re: ?? - SQX-1 - Jiuquan - August 3, 2021 (~07:45 UTC)
Post by: otter on 08/03/2021 08:01 am
From 9ifly

Title: Re: ?? - SQX-1 - Jiuquan - August 3, 2021 (~07:45 UTC)
Post by: Skyrocket on 08/03/2021 08:02 am
Any news on the payload?
Title: Re: ?? - SQX-1 - Jiuquan - August 3, 2021 (~07:45 UTC)
Post by: Galactic Penguin SST on 08/03/2021 08:08 am
Eh, well, it looks like there are multiple rumors that the Hyperbola-1 has failed again (like this sigh from the photographer I named above: https://m.weibo.cn/detail/4666137419978409)

I don't know if they are better off going straight to their, uh, reusable methane/LOX Hyperbola-2...  ::)
Title: Re: ?? - SQX-1 - Jiuquan - August 3, 2021 (~07:45 UTC)
Post by: Fmedici on 08/03/2021 09:00 am
Launch video

https://twitter.com/LaunchStuff/status/1422469229664743459
Title: Re: ?? - SQX-1 - Jiuquan - August 3, 2021 (~07:45 UTC)
Post by: Galactic Penguin SST on 08/03/2021 09:06 am
Eh, well, it looks like there are multiple rumors that the Hyperbola-1 has failed again (like this sigh from the photographer I named above: https://m.weibo.cn/detail/4666137419978409)

I don't know if they are better off going straight to their, uh, reusable methane/LOX Hyperbola-2...  ::)

There.seems to be conflicting reports of the outcome up front at this time (see e.g. https://m.weibo.cn/detail/4666146413087352 (https://m.weibo.cn/detail/4666146413087352)).
Title: Re: ?? - SQX-1 - Jiuquan - August 3, 2021 (~07:45 UTC)
Post by: Galactic Penguin SST on 08/03/2021 09:39 am
More rumors and it looks like the Chinese have the same situation as the previous PSLV failure in August 2017: the payload fairing did not separate but the upper stack still ended up in orbit.

Here's the full quotes from two different members: (https://9ifly.spacety.com/thread-94795-7-1.html)

Member A:

* The rocket *did* enter orbit but "an important step failed to execute"

* This was later specified as "some important protective parts seems to have not separated and ended up in orbit too"

* He further clarified that "I heard one big object ended up in orbit".

Member B: "I have heard about what happened & it's pretty ridiculous...I'll let you all guess what that is."

Edit: Alternative versions do exist, one of which says the 3rd stage motor "burned out early": https://m.weibo.cn/detail/4666154004517823
Title: Re: ?? - SQX-1 - Jiuquan - August 3, 2021 (~07:45 UTC)
Post by: Galactic Penguin SST on 08/03/2021 02:46 pm
Xinhua has issued statement that after liftoff at 07:39 UTC "the rocket did not flew as planned & the (not named) satellite did not enter nominal orbit after separation; flight test objectives not achieved".

I don't know how that fit with previous rumors.

http://finance.people.com.cn/n1/2021/0803/c1004-32180358.html (http://finance.people.com.cn/n1/2021/0803/c1004-32180358.html)
Title: Re: ?? - SQX-1 - Jiuquan - August 3, 2021 (~07:45 UTC)
Post by: otter on 08/03/2021 02:55 pm
http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2021-08/03/c_1310105568.htm

Flight test of China's commercial carrier rocket fails
Source: Xinhua| 2021-08-03 22:42:50

JIUQUAN, Aug. 3 (Xinhua) -- The flight test of the third Hyperbola-1 commercial carrier rocket was unsuccessful.

Abnormal performance was identified during the flight of the rocket, which lifted off from the Jiuquan Satellite Launch Center in northwest China at 3:39 p.m. (Beijing Time) on Tuesday.

The satellite, carried by the rocket, did not enter orbit as scheduled.
Title: Re: FAILURE - ?? - SQX-1 - Jiuquan - August 3, 2021 (07:39 UTC)
Post by: Yiosie on 08/03/2021 07:16 pm
Satellite onboard appears to have been Jilin-1 Mofang-01A (吉林一号魔方01A), per spaceflightfans.cn:

http://www.spaceflightfans.cn/event/hyperbola-1_y5

Mofang (魔方) translates to Rubik's Cube.

First of a fourth-generation of Jilin-1 satellites, detailed here:

https://new.qq.com/omn/20210529/20210529A03LLU00.html

Google translate:

Quote
Judging from the current news, the Jilin No. 1 series of optical satellites developed by Changguang Satellite Technology Co., Ltd. have been confirmed to have developed to the fourth generation of products. The Jilin-1 Rubik’s Cube 01A optical satellite using the fourth-generation technology has a total weight of only 18 kilograms and the resolution of the photos taken can reach the level of one meter. Compared with the 420 kilograms of the original Jilin-1 optical satellite, there is a significant reduction in the total weight. , Which makes the fourth-generation Jilin-1 satellite have a more powerful one-shot multiple-satellite launch capability. At the same time, it also has the advantages of ultra-compact optical system design technology, ultra-lightweight and high-precision optical processing technology, multi-mode photoelectric imaging technology, and on-orbit AI information processing technology. The overall performance improvement is unprecedented.
Title: Re: FAILURE - ?? - SQX-1 - Jiuquan - August 3, 2021 (07:39 UTC)
Post by: limen4 on 08/03/2021 08:53 pm
Title: Re: FAILURE - Jilin-1 Mofang-01A (?) - SQX-1 - Jiuquan - August 3, 2021 (07:39 UTC)
Post by: jcm on 08/04/2021 12:41 am
The characters 魔方  are being translated as 'Rubik's cube' but the individual characters seem to mean more generally 'magic cube' (or 'magic square').  Can any of the native Chinese speakers here comment on the sense of the word?
Title: Re: FAILURE - Jilin-1 Mofang-01A (?) - SQX-1 - Jiuquan - August 3, 2021 (07:39 UTC)
Post by: Galactic Penguin SST on 08/04/2021 01:27 am
In the end after half a day nothing related to this launch has been found in orbit by 18SPCS. One of the sources quoted above reaffirmed (https://9ifly.spacety.com/forum.php?mod=redirect&goto=findpost&ptid=94795&pid=867410&fromuid=19646) the fairing failed to separate & stated final velocity was 7400 m/s, which would be just shy of a relatively stable orbit.
Title: Re: FAILURE - Jilin-1 Mofang-01A (?) - SQX-1 - Jiuquan - August 3, 2021 (07:39 UTC)
Post by: Galactic Penguin SST on 08/04/2021 01:32 am
The characters 魔方  are being translated as 'Rubik's cube' but the individual characters seem to mean more generally 'magic cube' (or 'magic square').  Can any of the native Chinese speakers here comment on the sense of the word?

I think both are correct ("magic cube" is how you would translate it literally for 魔術方塊).

This is not universally used across Chinese speaking regions though, here in HK we call it something that would translate to "dice on a tantrum".  ;D
Title: Re: FAILURE - Jilin-1 Mofang-01A (?) - SQX-1 - Jiuquan - August 3, 2021 (07:39 UTC)
Post by: otter on 08/04/2021 05:17 am
https://twitter.com/AJ_FI/status/1422781661733851136

Quote
iSpace confirms that the payload fairing did not separate properly, meaning the satellite could not reach its intended orbit. Rocket otherwise performed well. No TLEs for the object either. https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/NGkDVjdGexqfCjeJz5rCDw
Title: Re: FAILURE - Jilin-1 Mofang-01A (?) - SQX-1 - Jiuquan - August 3, 2021 (07:39 UTC)
Post by: Alter Sachse on 08/04/2021 10:32 am
https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/NGkDVjdGexqfCjeJz5rCDw


"On August 3, 2021, at 15:39:30, the Double Curve 1 Remote 5 launch vehicle ignited and lifted off at Jiuquan Satellite Launch Center in China. The analysis of telemetry data showed that the rocket's solid motors of the first, second, third and fourth sub-stages, liquid attitude and orbit control power, navigation guidance and control were working normally, the attitude was stable throughout, the separation between all levels and star-arrow separation were normal, and the flight timing was basically consistent with the theoretical timing. Because the fairing did not separate normally, the satellite was not sent into the 500 km SSO orbit, and the flight test did not achieve the expected purpose. The launch further verified the correctness of the overall scheme of the Double Curve-1 rocket, obtained effective flight data and accumulated valuable lessons learned."

Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version)
Title: Re: FAILURE - Jilin-1 Mofang-01A (?) - SQX-1 - Jiuquan - August 3, 2021 (07:39 UTC)
Post by: russianhalo117 on 08/04/2021 02:40 pm
Gunter on his website reports two payloads not one: Jilin-1 Mofang-01A / Tianshu
https://space.skyrocket.de/doc_chr/lau2021.htm
Title: Re: FAILURE - Jilin-1 Mofang-01A (?) - SQX-1 - Jiuquan - August 3, 2021 (07:39 UTC)
Post by: limen4 on 08/06/2021 07:07 pm
Gunter on his website reports two payloads not one: Jilin-1 Mofang-01A / Tianshu
https://space.skyrocket.de/doc_chr/lau2021.htm
I cannot find any chinese source which reports about a second payload. I only know that the second SQX-1 rocket launched on February 1st was named Tianshu (Book of Heaven).
Title: Re: FAILURE - Jilin-1 Mofang-01A (?) - SQX-1 - Jiuquan - August 3, 2021 (07:39 UTC)
Post by: Galactic Penguin SST on 11/13/2021 04:09 pm
Updates on failure investigation:

https://twitter.com/cosmic_penguin/status/1459568713145798658
Title: Re: FAILURE - Jilin-1 Mofang-01A (?) - SQX-1 - Jiuquan - August 3, 2021 (07:39 UTC)
Post by: Galactic Penguin SST on 11/14/2021 01:01 am
https://twitter.com/aj_fi/status/1459570545670959106?s=21