Author Topic: Tianwen-2 (asteroid sample return) - CZ-3B - Xichang - May 28, 2025 (17:31 UTC)  (Read 34295 times)

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This mission is under discussion as a possible Chinese mission. 

The spacecraft would collect and return a sample from asteroid 2016HO3.  Per Wikipedia, "469219 Kamoʻoalewa, provisional designation 2016 HO3, is a very small asteroid, fast rotator and near-Earth object of the Apollo group, approximately 41 meters (135 feet) in diameter. It is currently the smallest, closest, and most stable (known) quasi-satellite of Earth. The asteroid was discovered by Pan-STARRS at Haleakala Observatory on 27 April 2016. It was named Kamoʻoalewa, a Hawaiian word that refers to an oscillating celestial object."

The spacecraft would then go on to orbit the main belt active asteroid/comet 133P.  Again per Wikipedia, "Comet Elst–Pizarro is a body that displays characteristics of both asteroids and comets,[10] and is the prototype of main-belt comets. Its orbit keeps it within the asteroid belt, yet it displayed a dust tail like a comet while near perihelion in 1996, 2001, and 2007."

Two articles on it are at:

http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2019-04/18/c_137988625.htm

https://www.space.com/china-asteroid-sample-return-comet-mission-2022.html

Image is from Twitter that I saved, and now I'm not sure who posted it.

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Re: Possible Chinese Asteroid Mission
« Reply #1 on: 04/20/2019 08:41 am »
Curious.  Wonder what the method of sample recovery will be used, and the propulsion details will be.

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Re: Possible Chinese Asteroid Mission
« Reply #2 on: 04/23/2019 10:09 am »
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Re: Possible Chinese Asteroid Mission
« Reply #3 on: 04/23/2019 10:37 am »
Chinese Mission to an Earth Co-Orbital

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Calling for SETI observations at radio and optical wavelengths, as well as lighting up the objects with planetary radar, Benford gives a nod to Ronald Bracewell, who speculated that one way for an extraterrestrial intelligence to study a stellar system would be to plant a probe within it that could inform the home civilization about events there. The Earth co-orbitals are made to order for such observation, so why not give them a look with all the tools in our SETI arsenal?

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According to Liu Jizhong, director of the Lunar Exploration and Space Program Center of the China National Space Administration (CNSA), the current plan is to study 2016 HO3 from space before landing on it to collect samples for return to Earth. Following delivery of the sample return capsule, the probe is to proceed to comet 133P by means of gravity assists at Earth and Mars, in a mission lasting on the order of 10 years.

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Re: Possible Chinese Asteroid Mission
« Reply #4 on: 02/13/2021 03:21 pm »
this is interesting... a Chinese paper (in Chinese) detailing the design of an Hayabusa-2 like impactor to accompany the Chinese asteroid mission to 2016HO3
http://zgkj.cast.cn/EN/10.16708/j.cnki.1000-758X.2021.0015

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Tianwen-2 has been officially approved by Chinese government. Launch scheduled in 2025 on Long March 3B rocket, the mission will return samples from asteroid 2016HO3 & then travel to comet 311P for reconnaissance
http://www.clep.org.cn/n5982341/c6841944/content.html
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Re: Tianwen-2 (Sample Return) - CZ-3B - Xichang - NET 2025
« Reply #6 on: 03/04/2023 07:06 pm »
Some images with details of the mission:
1. Tianwen-2 Render
2. Tianwen-2 Trajectory
3. Tianwen 2 approach phase to Kamo'oalewa
4. Final approach and landing phases
5. Regolith sample collection system proposed for the mission with a "wheel" that lifts the regolith
6. Tianwen 2 options for sample collection: the probe will land or briefly touch the surface, like Hayabusa 2 or OSIRIS-REx.
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Re: Tianwen-2 (Sample Return) - CZ-3B - Xichang - NET 2025
« Reply #8 on: 04/25/2023 09:07 am »
天问二号已基本完成初样研制,预计2025年5月前后发射

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Tianwen-2 has basically completed the development of the first sample and is expected to be launched around May 2025

Zhang Rongqiao, the chief designer of China's first Mars exploration mission project, said in an interview with the media recently that Tianwen-2 has basically completed the work of the prototype development stage, and will transfer to the prototype development stage in the middle of 2023. It will be in May 2025. Launch before and after.

Zhang Rongqiao said that the detection object of the Tianwen-2 mission is an internationally recognized celestial body with its own particularity, that is, the near-Earth asteroid 2016HO3. The Tianwen-2 mission will realize the sample return of the asteroid, which will be the first time that China has retrieved samples from the interplanetary. This asteroid is more than 40 million kilometers away from the earth, and it is very small. After completing this main mission, Tianwen-2 will also go to detect a newly discovered main belt comet.

Talking about the difficulty of asteroid detection, Zhang Rongqiao said that unlike Mars, there is no gravity on asteroids, which means that the spacecraft cannot fly around the asteroid, but can only catch up with it in the vast universe, fly with it, and accompany it Attach in the process, choose the opportunity to sample.

In addition, China has also planned the Tianwen-3 and Tianwen-4 missions. Zhang Rongqiao said that the Tianwen-3 mission will return samples from Mars, and the Tianwen-4 mission will explore the Jupiter system. Key technical breakthroughs."
This will be launched on May, 2025.

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Re: Tianwen-2 (Sample Return) - CZ-3B - Xichang - NET 2025
« Reply #9 on: 04/26/2023 02:38 am »
Does anyone modify title to May 2025?

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China seeks its own Apollo moment – and more
https://spacenews.com/china-seeks-its-own-apollo-moment-and-more/


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http://web.archive.org/web/20201207170259/https://www.hou.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2019/pdf/1045.pdf



The Moon stuff ' 2035 this initial phase focuses on mastering basic technologies and engineering solutions necessary for lunar habitation'

and related to Tianwen-3? MSR and humans on Mars

'Further out, Chinese space officials and publications have identified human missions to Mars as a long-term goal for around 2050, though there are no specifics'

although some expect a MarsSample mission soon


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As of September 24th it was still on track for launch in 2025.

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Tianwen-2 is scheduled to launch in 2025, Bian Zhigang, deputy head of the China National Space Administration (CNSA), said Sept. 24, according to Chinese media The Paper.

https://spacenews.com/china-to-launch-near-earth-asteroid-sample-return-mission-in-2025/

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Per Xinhua, the Tianwen-2 spacecraft has arrived at Xichang on February 20th: https://english.news.cn/20250220/d95bb36bd5924bc4b1a558f3623c1300/c.html

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Alleged timeline of key events for the Tianwen-2 mission: https://m.weibo.cn/detail/5154207293245211

May 29 2025 for launch, July 4 2026 for HO3 rendezvous, April 24 2027 for departure of HO3, and November 29 2027 for sample capsule return to Earth. For the extended mission, rendezvous with 311P in January 24 2035.

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It is said this will be launched on May 22...

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It is rumoured to be CZ-3B Y110
It is also rumoured that the launch won't be broadcasted

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Just a reminder that 2016 HO3 = 469219 Kamoʻoalewa
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The CZ-3B prepare days are 16, so the launch date might be on May 29...

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The CZ-3B prepare days are 16, so the launch date might be on May 29...

https://weibo.com/ttarticle/p/show?id=2309404898747405435299
This weibo post from 2023 estimated the optimal launch date as May 29, 2025 from 21:50 to May 30, 2025 00:18 BJT (13:50 - 16:18 UTC on May 29), so far things still point toward them aiming for this.

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Tianwen-2 asteroid probe will be launched into space by the Long March 3B Y111 rocket

https://twitter.com/CNSAWatcher/status/1921134509916860642
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Tianwen-2 asteroid probe will be launched into space by the Long March 3B Y111 rocket

https://x.com/CNSAWatcher/status/1921134509916860642
But that show Y110 in weibo link in https://x.com/CNSAWatcher/status/1921134509916860642...

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On May 18, the planetary exploration project Tianwen-2 probe successfully transferred to the launch area after completing the technical area assembly, testing, and refueling work at the Xichang Satellite Launch Center as planned. In the future, various functional inspections and joint tests will be carried out as planned, and the launch is planned to be carried out at the end of May. Prior to this, the Long March 3B Yao-110 carrier rocket that will carry out the Tianwen-2 launch mission was successfully transferred from the technical area to the launch area on May 14, and completed the lifting and integration work.

The Tianwen-2 probe and the Long March 3B rocket were developed by the Fifth Academy and the First Academy of China Aerospace Science and Technology.  (Zhang Wei, Li Yi, Shi Yichen)
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https://www.cnsa.gov.cn/n6758823/n6758838/c10676320/content.html

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The Tianwen-2 mission is scheduled to be launched on May 29


After comprehensive analysis and decision-making by the engineering mission command, the planetary exploration project Tianwen-2 mission is scheduled to be launched on May 29.

At present, at the Xichang Satellite Launch Center, various preparations for the mission are progressing steadily. The Long March 3B Yao-110 carrier rocket that will carry out this launch is about to be filled with propellant.

Previously, the Tianwen-2 probe completed the technical area assembly, testing, filling, transfer, functional inspection, joint testing and other tasks as planned. The carrier rocket completed the transfer, hoisting, vehicle-rocket docking, fairing assembly, general inspection and testing and other tasks. The launch site completed the pre-launch system rehearsal, and the Xichang Satellite Launch Center, Beijing Flight Control Center, Xi'an Satellite Tracking and Control Center, Yuanwang measurement fleet and various mission tracking and control stations implemented joint debugging and control.

Tianwen logo and "Asteroid" on the fairing
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Does anyone modify launch time on title?

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Does anyone modify launch time on title?
The T0 is May 28, 2025 (~17:31 UTC)

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Xinhua China to launch Tianwen-2 probe for asteroid sampling on May 29. [May 26]

China's Tianwen-2 probe is scheduled for launch on May 29, aiming to unravel the mysteries of a near-Earth asteroid and a main-belt comet, the China National Space Administration (CNSA) announced on Monday.
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YouTube mirror of potential unofficial webcasts:

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How did this mission go from 'officially approved' in 2023 to launch this year? Is this an incredibly fast development/build pace, or does 'approval' happen at a different step for CNSA vs NASA?

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How did this mission go from 'officially approved' in 2023 to launch this year? Is this an incredibly fast development/build pace, or does 'approval' happen at a different step for CNSA vs NASA?

Yes, formal approval generally happens at a late stage in chinese aerospace, it depends on programs but it can be as late as the approval for construction of the flight model once every prototype and Design Reviews have been done.

The 2018 CNSA Roadmap describing an asteroid mission in 2024 is probably a more accurate indication of when this mission got sufficient approval/internal approval within CNSA, and it was reported in state medias before http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2017-03/04/content_28430297.htm

Furthermore CNSA called for international participation in 2019 https://www.cnsa.gov.cn/english/n6465645/n6465648/c6806206/part/6781076.pdf considering that they are usually very careful with these international calls, this is probably a decent estimate for when the technologies of the mission reached a sufficient maturity that gave them confidence that they could do it.
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Liftoff at 17:31
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Launch success and nominal spacecraft solar panels deployment have been confirmed: https://m.weibo.cn/detail/5171466938090116

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Xinhua:

http://www.news.cn/20250529/f63a8b3d7a394f5988ed9b0332c204bc/c.html
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2025 05/29 02:36:20
来源:新华网
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新华社权威快报丨天问二号任务发射圆满成功
Xinhua News Agency Authoritative Express丨Tianwen-2 mission launch was a complete success
记者从国家航天局获悉,5月29日凌晨1时31分,我国在西昌卫星发射中心用长征三号乙运载火箭,成功将行星探测工程天问二号探测器发射升空。火箭飞行约18分钟后,将探测器送入地球至小行星2016HO3转移轨道。此后,探测器太阳翼正常展开,发射任务取得圆满成功。
Reporters learned from the National Space Administration that at 1:31 a.m. on May 29, our country successfully launched the planetary exploration project Tianwen-2 probe with the Long March 3B carrier rocket at the Xichang Satellite Launch Center. After about 18 minutes of flight, the rocket sent the probe into the transfer orbit of the Earth to the asteroid 2016HO3. After that, the probe's solar panels unfolded normally, and the launch mission was a complete success.
天问二号主要任务目标是对小行星2016HO3进行探测、取样并返回地球,此后再对主带彗星311P开展科学探测。
The main mission goal of Tianwen-2 is to detect, sample and return to Earth asteroid 2016HO3, and then conduct scientific exploration of the main belt comet 311P.
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Re: Possible Chinese Asteroid Mission
« Reply #44 on: 05/28/2025 09:48 pm »
China launches Tianwen-2 mission to sample near Earth asteroid
https://spacenews.com/china-launches-tianwen-2-mission-to-sample-near-earth-asteroid/


All you need do in future is find a larger more massive one with more gravity. How to test any type of concept for a 'Space Elevator'?
a realistic sci-fi idea
rapidly rotating

https://users.wpi.edu/~paravind/Publications/PKASpace%20Elevators.pdf

Older than the book 'The Canterbury Tales'


Five witnesses from Canterbury reported to the abbey's chronicler, Gervase, that shortly after sunset on 18 June 1178, they saw "the upper horn [of the moon] split in two"

 
they think a chunk was likely blasted away from the actual moon relatively recently in the solar system's history

Harnessing Ceres: The Viability of Space Elevators for Asteroid Mining
https://medium.com/@anatole.martins6730/harnessing-ceres-the-viability-of-space-elevators-for-asteroid-mining-d230fbd26112

considered for use as a space station for Earth-to-Mars travel.
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Pixel counting indicates a G2.

208/158 = 1.32

G2 is 4/3 = 1.333 and G3 is 4.2/3 = 1.4.
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Did this go straight to solar orbit, or is it in an elliptical Earth orbit waiting to use spacecraft propulsion to reach escape velocity?

 - Ed Kyle

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Did this go straight to solar orbit, or is it in an elliptical Earth orbit waiting to use spacecraft propulsion to reach escape velocity?

 - Ed Kyle

Yes it went straight to solar orbit, it was announced to be "first time the CZ-3B sent a spacecraft to escape trajectory" with a separation speed of 11.6 km/s relative to the earth.

Source: Xinhua on Douyin https://v.douyin.com/fzy-G3MHcLM/

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No pictures of the probe have been shared, however this more detailled render of it was (attached)

Short CCTV documentary of the launch and its preparation:
https://weibo.com/tv/show/1034:5171656755445847?from=old_pc_videoshow

Other video:
https://weibo.com/tv/show/1034:5171777496875022?from=old_pc_videoshow
https://weibo.com/tv/show/1034:5171466455679003?from=old_pc_videoshow

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Pixel counting...
Thank you for your pixel-count shroud-ology posts!  :D
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Did this go straight to solar orbit, or is it in an elliptical Earth orbit waiting to use spacecraft propulsion to reach escape velocity?

 - Ed Kyle

Yes it went straight to solar orbit, it was announced to be "first time the CZ-3B sent a spacecraft to escape trajectory" with a separation speed of 11.6 km/s relative to the earth.

Source: Xinhua on Douyin https://v.douyin.com/fzy-G3MHcLM/

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No pictures of the probe have been shared, however this more detailled render of it was (attached)

Short CCTV documentary of the launch and its preparation:
https://weibo.com/tv/show/1034:5171656755445847?from=old_pc_videoshow






11.6 km/s is
Did this go straight to solar orbit, or is it in an elliptical Earth orbit waiting to use spacecraft propulsion to reach escape velocity?

 - Ed Kyle

Yes it went straight to solar orbit, it was announced to be "first time the CZ-3B sent a spacecraft to escape trajectory" with a separation speed of 11.6 km/s relative to the earth.

Source: Xinhua on Douyin https://v.douyin.com/fzy-G3MHcLM/

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No pictures of the probe have been shared, however this more detailled render of it was (attached)

Short CCTV documentary of the launch and its preparation:
https://weibo.com/tv/show/1034:5171656755445847?from=old_pc_videoshow






If 11.6 km/s is the inertial velocity, that corresponds to a C3 of between 11.7 and 14.0 km^2/s^2
It would be nice if China released the heliocentric orbital parameters!

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No pictures of the probe have been shared, [...]
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Artist concept.
It would be great if they released some hardware photos and video.
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Re: Possible Chinese Asteroid Mission
« Reply #53 on: 05/30/2025 12:43 pm »
Now that it is a real mission, either the heading should be changed or we should start a new thread.

[zubenelgenubi: Threads merged, as-is through the launch campaign, in Chinese sub-forum.  New posts regarding mission progress and operations should be placed in a new Space Science thread, as we do for other Solar System missions.]
« Last Edit: 05/30/2025 01:06 pm by zubenelgenubi »

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Seger Yu (https://x.com/SegerYU) has published T0 to the millisecond as 01:31:24.123 local (https://x.com/SegerYU/status/1927942922332426581)
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