Energia-M still at Baikonur test stand?

[Vahe231991]

This link from 2015 contains photos of the Energia-M in the MZK:
https://ralphmirebs.livejournal.com/220278.html

[Robert_the_Doll]

Various urban explorer groups have gone to Baikonur to video record and photograph the remains of the Buran-Energia program. For example in October 2017, Ninurta photographed the Energia-M structural engineering mockup inside the abandoned Dynamic Test Stand:





Nearly two years later in June 2019, the site was visited again, this time by Mister Marat There is very impressive video of the Energia-M, but you have to skip to 5:30 in the video.

[Vahe231991]

Various urban explorer groups have gone to Baikonur to video record and photograph the remains of the Buran-Energia program. For example in October 2017, Ninurta photographed the Energia-M structural engineering mockup inside the abandoned Dynamic Test Stand:





Nearly two years later in June 2019, the site was visited again, this time by Mister Marat There is very impressive video of the Energia-M, but you have to skip to 5:30 in the video.

One day, the Energia-M could be transported to a future outdoor display area of the Baikonur Museum to remind viewers of the trajectory of the Energia and Buran programs had the USSR not collapsed and further development of the Proton had been canceled due to concerns about the Proton rocket stages releasing the toxic unsymmetrical dimethylhydrazine compound.

[russianhalo117]

Looks like a mockup to me... At least the core.

LRB's and PLF were STA's.

[Jim]

One day, the Energia-M could be transported to a future outdoor display area of the Baikonur Museum

there isn't going to be such a display.

[Tomness]

One day, the Energia-M could be transported to a future outdoor display area of the Baikonur Museum

there isn't going to be such a display.

😃 indeed. They like just let it set and rust lol

[zubenelgenubi]

One day, the Energia-M could be transported to a future outdoor display area of the Baikonur Museum

there isn't going to be such a display.

There would have to be some profound changes in Russian culture (and Kazakh culture too?) and finances for such a display to come to be.

One reason: Why would they want to memorialize what their culture perceives a monumental failure?  If it's given any thought at all?

Look at what happened to the artifacts of the Soviet manned lunar program.  There is no N1/L3 on display in a huge climate controlled building at a hypothetical Baikonur Museum and Visitor Center, catering to the hypothetical hordes of tourists, domestic and foreign, flocking to Baikonur.

TL;DR: I'm not holding my breath.

[Blackstar]

There would have to be some profound changes in Russian culture (and Kazakh culture too?) and finances for such a display to come to be.

One reason: Why would they want to memorialize what their culture perceives a monumental failure?  If it's given any thought at all?

Also:

-Russian/Kazakh relations are not exactly going smoothly now.

-the Russians have a poor track record even at preserving their technological successes. Their aviation museum near Moscow has long allowed their aircraft to deteriorate in the weather, and there was a recent proposal to scrap a lot of them.

So nope.

[Robert_the_Doll]

SKOLANIYA crazy traveler back in May snuck into the Dynamic Test Stand building and recorded video of Energia-M starting around 25:00 into the video as he enters the building:

[LittleBird]

There would have to be some profound changes in Russian culture (and Kazakh culture too?) and finances for such a display to come to be.

One reason: Why would they want to memorialize what their culture perceives a monumental failure?  If it's given any thought at all?

Also:

-Russian/Kazakh relations are not exactly going smoothly now.

-the Russians have a poor track record even at preserving their technological successes. Their aviation museum near Moscow has long allowed their aircraft to deteriorate in the weather, and there was a recent proposal to scrap a lot of them.

So nope.

Though on the bright side that meant that you and I among many others could see many of their space treasures at the Science Museum in London a few years ago. I'd never expected to see the LK lander.

Out of interest, did those artefacts later find their way to the revamped Moscow museum ?

[LittleBird]

Look at what happened to the artifacts of the Soviet manned lunar program.  There is no N1/L3 on display in a huge climate controlled building at a hypothetical Baikonur Museum and Visitor Center, catering to the hypothetical hordes of tourists, domestic and foreign, flocking to Baikonur.

TL;DR: I'm not holding my breath.

Though presumably, and possibly your point, it wouldn't have been there even if they'd "won"-Moscow if anywhere ? But it does suggest a thread on space museums of the counterfactual worlds ;-);-) [Edit: I do realise, thinking about it for more than a moment that carting an N1 to Moscow even in the most fanciful of alternate worlds  would be unlikely ... it was hard enough to get the LK into the science museum iirc from excellent curator's talk.]

[Robert_the_Doll]

Last month urban explorers revisited the building with the two Buran orbiters and then the one with the lone Energia-M engineering mockup. Again, you have to wait until near the end (I have linked to 40 minutes in), but the entire video is worth it, if only to view 4K footage of the orbiters' exteriors, though it is very disheartening seeing the vandalism visible through the hasty cover up spray paint.

[Vahe231991]

There would have to be some profound changes in Russian culture (and Kazakh culture too?) and finances for such a display to come to be.

One reason: Why would they want to memorialize what their culture perceives a monumental failure?  If it's given any thought at all?

Also:

-Russian/Kazakh relations are not exactly going smoothly now.

-the Russians have a poor track record even at preserving their technological successes. Their aviation museum near Moscow has long allowed their aircraft to deteriorate in the weather, and there was a recent proposal to scrap a lot of them.

So nope.

The Central Air Force Museum in the Monino has the MiG-105 spaceplane on display. If Russia has the financial will to move a few derelict Soviet-era space vehicles out of Baikonur, it could transport the Energia-M mockup to a potential spot near the Tsiolkovsky State Museum of the History of Cosmonautics in Kaluga. On the other hand, it could transfer the MiG-105 to the Central House-Museum of Aviation and Space in Moscow.