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Re: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #280 on: 01/29/2018 08:29 pm »
In truth, I wasn't impressed. It felt... shallow and empty. Whilst I retained a curiosity as to what would happen next, I felt no stake in the outcome beyond that mild curiosity.

Even the action scenes felt like they were from another franchise, more like Star Wars or even the Marvel Cinematic Universe.
I really like the idea of this latest episode and I like the predicament they ended in. Basically I thought it was a good story arc executed flatly. The action was too easy and super human and the outcome never felt in question.

Compare that to an episode or two ago when Stamets walked into his room and the door closed behind him. Simple story telling, economical cinematography, and the first time I ever remember feeling fear for a character during any Star Trek episode on any Star Trek franchise.

But I think my disappoint is largely related to how great I thought the previous two episodes were.

On the plus side, MU Phasers are ridiculous (in a good way.  Well, an evil "we don't need no stinking stun" sort of way.  The settings must be kill and obliterate.)
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Re: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #281 on: 01/29/2018 08:40 pm »
In truth, I wasn't impressed. It felt... shallow and empty. Whilst I retained a curiosity as to what would happen next, I felt no stake in the outcome beyond that mild curiosity.

Even the action scenes felt like they were from another franchise, more like Star Wars or even the Marvel Cinematic Universe.
I've taken a new tack to watching the show. Rather than compare it previous series or time-line, I just watch it for entertainment and escapism which is the whole point... My day profession gives me enough science fact and reality as is... ;D
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Re: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #282 on: 02/01/2018 07:10 am »
Absolutely corking space opera. Nobody is safe. Surprises pop up around every corner.

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« Reply #283 on: 02/02/2018 05:55 am »
In truth, I wasn't impressed. It felt... shallow and empty. Whilst I retained a curiosity as to what would happen next, I felt no stake in the outcome beyond that mild curiosity.

Even the action scenes felt like they were from another franchise, more like Star Wars or even the Marvel Cinematic Universe.

Things move on, especially the expectations of the majority of the audience when it comes to things like action scenes. Sounds like you might be going into it with a lot of preconceptions as to what you think a Trek show should be?
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Re: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #284 on: 02/02/2018 10:35 am »
I'm going into it with 'preconceptions' of what I like.

Discovery failed to meet those at the start. I sat it out for a while as I wanted to give the show a chance to find its feet and because I wanted to see what changes the alterations CBS made to the writing team and script editing procedure would make. I came back for the Mirror Universe arc and was underwhelmed.

So, much to my sadness, I'm out.
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Re: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #285 on: 02/03/2018 10:16 pm »
It sounds like you have a very particular idea of what a Trek show is & this one didn’t match your template.

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Re: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #286 on: 02/03/2018 11:13 pm »
It's a very good 'Space Opera' show with good actors and some good ideas. It could be argued, however that it is a Star Trek show in name only.
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Re: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #287 on: 02/03/2018 11:29 pm »
A Star Trek series in the age of "Game of the Thrones" :(
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Re: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #288 on: 02/04/2018 11:53 am »
It sounds like you have a very particular idea of what a Trek show is & this one didn’t match your template.

This totally describes Discovery.

It is good. It is not Star Trek.

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« Reply #289 on: 02/04/2018 12:18 pm »
It's a very good 'Space Opera' show with good actors and some good ideas. It could be argued, however that it is a Star Trek show in name only.

It seems plenty Trek to me, especially where the show is now.

I mean what precisely is un-Trek about it?
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Re: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #290 on: 02/04/2018 03:05 pm »
It is not a show about exploration and the destiny of humanity amongst the stars, which is what Trek is supposed to be about. It is a poorly-thrown-together low-ideas 'World of Warcraft in Space'.

Star One, I don't want to get into an argument with you, nor do I want a long-term feud with a fellow forumite over a TV show of all things. I have no problem with the fact that you like ST-Discovery; please respect the fact  that I and others don't like it and don't try to present not liking it as some irrational quirk or moral fault on our part.
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Re: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #291 on: 02/04/2018 07:02 pm »
It is not a show about exploration and the destiny of humanity amongst the stars, which is what Trek is supposed to be about. It is a poorly-thrown-together low-ideas 'World of Warcraft in Space'.

Star One, I don't want to get into an argument with you, nor do I want a long-term feud with a fellow forumite over a TV show of all things. I have no problem with the fact that you like ST-Discovery; please respect the fact  that I and others don't like it and don't try to present not liking it as some irrational quirk or moral fault on our part.

Fair enough you don’t like it but do you really need to reiterate the point? I’ve never got this, if I don’t like a show I just stop watching it fairly quickly usually after a couple of episodes.

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Re: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #292 on: 02/04/2018 07:35 pm »
If I watch an episode and didn't like it, I'll say so here because it's an ST-D discussion thread. By a curious coincidence, I'll also likely say so here if I liked it.
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Re: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #293 on: 02/05/2018 02:44 am »
It's a very good 'Space Opera' show with good actors and some good ideas. It could be argued, however that it is a Star Trek show in name only.

It seems plenty Trek to me, especially where the show is now.

I mean what precisely is un-Trek about it?
My most honest answer is this - I'm growing a little tired of SF (and fantasy) shows that are moving into dystopic, misery-laden storylines that grind on and on with no hope in sight, no wonder or 'glory' about the future and no light at the end of the tunnel. Too much anger, too much cynicism, occasionally too much profanity, and violence that can sometimes reach near-pornographic levels.

You can say I'm an old-fashioned, happy-clappy, grumpy, 'gatekeeper of true fandom' geek Trekker who wants his big Picard moral speeches, who likes his starships and Klingons looking a certain way. And most of all - you might claim that I wanna go back and relive the 1980s and 1990s. Now; there may be a grain of truth to all that. After all - I'm one of the folks who would have much preferred to see the Alec Peters vision of 'Axanar' over what we got with Discovery. And in fact; it could be argued that Discovery is the Trek series no one was crying out for or even needing. That includes me. But let me be clear: I am enjoying Discovery and so is my Wife.
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Re: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #294 on: 02/05/2018 02:47 am »
If I watch an episode and didn't like it, I'll say so here because it's an ST-D discussion thread. By a curious coincidence, I'll also likely say so here if I liked it.
I thought episode 13 was pretty good.
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Re: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #295 on: 02/05/2018 01:53 pm »
A Star Trek series in the age of "Game of the Thrones" :(
Star Trek in the "age of feminists"... I'm OK with that... :)
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Re: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #296 on: 02/05/2018 07:18 pm »
I hate dislike the show but I keep watching it hoping that it will get better. I tend to disconnect from a show in between seasons. This last episode was painful to watch. I am expecting the season finale to be better.

Edit: changed hate to dislike (see post below mine as to why).
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Re: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #297 on: 02/05/2018 09:46 pm »
Please bear with me; 'Hate' is a word that gets thrown around with too much abandon these days. We've lost the true context of the word. Applying hate to something when 'dislike' would be descriptive enough seems a bit hyperbolic to me. The true context of hate is something intense and corrosive, probably even tragic. In my opinion, hate belongs to the context of war, jealousy, violence and bigotry...

...Having said that; I still ha- er, dislike oysters and slasher/torture films... ;)
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Re: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #298 on: 02/05/2018 10:37 pm »
My wife and I like it. Recommend watching After Trek. You get insight from the people running the show on why it
took the initial direction it did.

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Re: Star Trek Discovery
« Reply #299 on: 02/05/2018 11:01 pm »
Please bear with me; 'Hate' is a word that gets thrown around with too much abandon these days. We've lost the true context of the word. Applying hate to something when 'dislike' would be descriptive enough seems a bit hyperbolic to me. The true context of hate is something intense and corrosive, probably even tragic. In my opinion, hate belongs to the context of war, jealousy, violence and bigotry...

...Having said that; I still ha- er, dislike oysters and slasher/torture films... ;)

Good point. I edited my post. 

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