It's interesting sci-fi, but it's not star trek. Shame the concepts in this would have been better explored outside the trek franchise and both are diminished because of this. Gona watch it though because it's fun.For how to do this right, see The Expanse.
Further, the new technobabble miracle-tech is something not even hinted at in previous Treks, marking this as clearly yet another alternate universe of some description.
Star Trek is full of mad scientists getting some fantastic new technology to work which then mysteriously goes away at the end of the episode.
I’d like to weigh in here. This show is the most exciting, innovative and gripping version of trek yet. The previous treks played happy families too much and had rather childish characters. This trek has properly defined Klingons - the culture and religion introduced in TNG finally makes sense. I love that we are left wanting a trek based on the shenzhou crew but actually have something far different that holds the shenzhou up as something to strive for. It will get there in the end but I wouldn’t expect every character to survive the journey. We have often seen “ship gone wrong” episodes or black ops episodes in trek, this series will take a deeper look into that world. Saru is the most amazing trek alien yet. He can tell an entire story with his eyes and a tilt of the head. The new human characters are much more real than any in previous series. I’m excited to find out how they present the andorians! And there are mysteries in story and characters that are left to unfold as the series progresses.This feels like Star Trek for adults and I’m eagerly awaiting the next episode! 9/10
Quote from: Nathan on 10/02/2017 09:07 pmI’d like to weigh in here. This show is the most exciting, innovative and gripping version of trek yet. The previous treks played happy families too much and had rather childish characters. This trek has properly defined Klingons - the culture and religion introduced in TNG finally makes sense. I love that we are left wanting a trek based on the shenzhou crew but actually have something far different that holds the shenzhou up as something to strive for. It will get there in the end but I wouldn’t expect every character to survive the journey. We have often seen “ship gone wrong” episodes or black ops episodes in trek, this series will take a deeper look into that world. Saru is the most amazing trek alien yet. He can tell an entire story with his eyes and a tilt of the head. The new human characters are much more real than any in previous series. I’m excited to find out how they present the andorians! And there are mysteries in story and characters that are left to unfold as the series progresses.This feels like Star Trek for adults and I’m eagerly awaiting the next episode! 9/10Disagree with all of this except with what you said about Cmdr Saru. I have good memories of Rene Aubegonois' performance as Odo in Deep Space Nine. As he put it: "A good actor can be expressive whilst wearing a paper plate over their face."
No, I'm one of those Star Trek fans who think that change for change's sake, especially change for the sake of appealing to the disturbing fascination with 'dark' characters and stories that is increasingly prevalent in society is missing what Star Trek is supposed to be about and trying to get ratings by pandering to all the most dangerous and destructive cultural trends.
I don't mind 'gritty drama' but too many shows try it nowadays and fail, including this one. It also feels out of place in the Trek universe.
Quote from: Oli on 10/03/2017 08:59 pmI don't mind 'gritty drama' but too many shows try it nowadays and fail, including this one. It also feels out of place in the Trek universe.Agree. I'm withholding full judgement until I've seen several more episodes but this was almost "Mirror Universe" levels of darkness. Lorca reminds me a lot of mirror universe Kirk.As far as the other characters the blonde Science officer goes down in my book as the most annoying ST character EVER (even beyond Wesley Crusher) while Saru is the most compelling and interesting. Saru's moral compass also seems to be more in tune with "classic trek" as well.It also seems that while the screenwriters claim this is set in the Prime universe it seems to be more of a re-imagined Prime universe. More like what the JJ-verse would look like if Nero never went back in time in the first place.
Mods, lock the thread. Someone just mentioned Wesley Crusher 😜
Speaking as a now disinterested outside observer who is using these discussions to decide if he will Netflix this once it is available there I do have the following comment for those complaining about the darkness involved with 'Lord High Emperor Starship Captains'.SNIPWhat made Star Trek 'Star Trek' was that it DID do dark and gritty. But it did it by examining the consequences of taking that step too far.
So my problem is that the people running Discovery don't seem to really want to do Star Trek. They want to do their own thing. That's fine, they have talent. But why call it Star Trek if you're going to ignore so much of what happened before?
Even though i really like new Star Trek, this cloak and dagger, ignore the rule book, deviousness isn't really Federation mo. It will be interesting to see how the season unfolds.