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Their spacecraft looks like a SpaceX Dragon Cargo with an Orion LAS on top.

Compared to the part of the Soyuz spacecraft that currently returns to Earth, this spacecraft is going to be a big increase in volume and mass returned to Earth for them.
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Great! I was hoping we'd see this start to be covered on NSF. Looks like Orion wanted to be, a mix of Dragon but with capability of Orion, likely for a fraction of the cost.

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Congratulation to Nicolas for the debut! And it's a good one too!

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Excellent article!

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It will be interesting to see what kind of field tests they conduct (parachute drop, pad abort, high-altitude abort, etc.).  Any material out there on the type of docking system and possible compatibility with other vehicles?

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Previous plan was a derivative of SSVP, with a wider hatch and modifications for reusability. They seem to want to eventually use this for LOP-G though, which would mean IDS. The widened SSVP port isn't ISS-compatible either, so they'd need either the existing SSVP port, or IDS, and theres only going to be 2 IDSes on station in the near term. Putting adapters on the existing Russian modules (like IDA or the adapter on the end of Nauka) would solve a lot of problems for all ISS partners (all non-CBM vehicles could dock at any port, lots of schedule flexibility there), but would cost a lot extra most likely.

Early on, Soyuz was going to use APAS for ISS missions, but then they switched. Not really sure why, APAS-Soyuz had already been demonstrated on Mir. Just for compatibility with existing module hardware perhaps? That would've really simplified things though
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Previous plan was a derivative of SSVP, with a wider hatch and modifications for reusability. They seem to want to eventually use this for LOP-G though, which would mean IDS. The widened SSVP port isn't ISS-compatible either, so they'd need either the existing SSVP port, or IDS, and theres only going to be 2 IDSes on station in the near term. Putting adapters on the existing Russian modules (like IDA or the adapter on the end of Nauka) would solve a lot of problems for all ISS partners (all non-CBM vehicles could dock at any port, lots of schedule flexibility there), but would cost a lot extra most likely.

Early on, Soyuz was going to use APAS for ISS missions, but then they switched. Not really sure why, APAS-Soyuz had already been demonstrated on Mir. Just for compatibility with existing module hardware perhaps? That would've really simplified things though
APAS has a higher mass than SSVP. Around the time when Soyuz-U2 (Could lift more to orbit) was prematurely retired the design of the Russian Segment was switched back to SSVP.

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Very interesting, good work !
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Re: Next generation Russian crew vehicle
« Reply #10 on: 07/09/2018 05:35 PM »
New space ship Federation - new armchairs and suits

https://rossaprimavera.ru/news/e7df684c

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Prototypes for a universal spacesuit and armchairs for a new Russian spacecraft Federation must be manufactured before the end of this year, said Zvezda General Director Sergei Pozdnyakov on July 9 in an interview with TASS.

 The head of the scientific-production enterprise explained that the main difference between the spacesuits being developed in their multi-use and universality: "the same space suit can be used by different cosmonauts, it becomes possible to choose the suit of the right size for yourself with a small fit . "  The chair is also planned to be made universal, now the lodgement is made individually for each cosmonaut.

 According to Pozdnyakov, it is planned to make prototypes that will be handed over to factory tests, then prototypes of spacesuits for ground and, further, flight tests will be prepared, the prototype of the chair is already made, its tests should begin at the end of the current year or the beginning of next year.

 Recall, the new manned spacecraft "Federation", developed by RSC Energia them.  SP Korolev, should replace the legendary "Soyuz".  The newest ship is planned to be used to deliver cosmonauts and cargo not only to near-earth orbit, but also to the Moon.  The first flight in unmanned mode is scheduled for 2021, manned for 2023.

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Re: Next generation Russian crew vehicle
« Reply #11 on: 07/09/2018 08:29 PM »
Recall, the new manned spacecraft "Federation", developed by RSC Energia them.  SP Korolev, should replace the legendary "Soyuz".  The newest ship is planned to be used to deliver cosmonauts and cargo not only to near-earth orbit, but also to the Moon.  The first flight in unmanned mode is scheduled for 2021, manned for 2023.

Counterpoint from Anatoly Zak: Russia's Soyuz Spacecraft Could Find New Life as a Lunar Taxi

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After spending a decade and up to 25 billion rubles ($338 million) on Federatsiya, Roscosmos has very little to show for it.

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Now the first launch of Federatsiya is now pushed back to 2022, and even that four-year deadline might be a bit ambitious. So instead of looking forward, Rogozin is once again calling upon an aging space legend to carry Russia’s dream of space exploration into the future.
« Last Edit: 07/09/2018 08:30 PM by jpo234 »
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Re: Next generation Russian crew vehicle enters initial testing
« Reply #12 on: 07/10/2018 12:25 PM »
Congratulations, Nicolas Pillet!
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