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Offline woods170

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Re: Commercial Crew (CCtCAP) - Discussion Thread
« Reply #1200 on: 06/07/2018 07:01 AM »
These images of the commercial crew astronauts training have likely already been posted but, in case they haven't, here is a link to the images:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/nasakennedy/sets/72157655607394806

https://twitter.com/Commercial_Crew/status/1004351233845612544

Any ideas why the lack of SpaceX images of crew dragon and astronauts. All images we got are some weird angle barely showing anything. Are there even any images of final crew dragon interior? And what about space suit images? All we got are 2-3 highly photoshopped ones not showing much details.

I've explained this several times in multiple threads: the lack of clear images of Crew Dragon and its interior is per orders from top-level management at SpaceX. They will reveal the final look of Crew Dragon and its interior when they think the time is right.

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Re: Commercial Crew (CCtCAP) - Discussion Thread
« Reply #1201 on: 06/14/2018 06:20 AM »
I'm not sure if you read NASA's publication "between the lines".

Read the latest blog post of NASA about today's spacewalk.

https://blogs.nasa.gov/spacestation/2018/06/12/two-nasa-astronauts-set-to-go-on-their-third-spacewalk-this-year/

Do you see something interesting?

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Re: Commercial Crew (CCtCAP) - Discussion Thread
« Reply #1202 on: 06/14/2018 06:31 AM »
I'm not sure if you read NASA's publication "between the lines".

Read the latest blog post of NASA about today's spacewalk.

https://blogs.nasa.gov/spacestation/2018/06/12/two-nasa-astronauts-set-to-go-on-their-third-spacewalk-this-year/

Do you see something interesting?

No - what is it? ;)

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Re: Commercial Crew (CCtCAP) - Discussion Thread
« Reply #1203 on: 06/14/2018 07:55 AM »
I'm not sure if you read NASA's publication "between the lines".

Read the latest blog post of NASA about today's spacewalk.

https://blogs.nasa.gov/spacestation/2018/06/12/two-nasa-astronauts-set-to-go-on-their-third-spacewalk-this-year/

Do you see something interesting?

Do you mean?
" The first uncrewed test missions are planned to begin at the end of the year."
As distinct from August the published date.

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Re: Commercial Crew (CCtCAP) - Discussion Thread
« Reply #1204 on: 06/14/2018 08:01 AM »
Exactly.

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Re: Commercial Crew (CCtCAP) - Discussion Thread
« Reply #1205 on: 06/14/2018 07:53 PM »
" The first uncrewed test missions are planned to begin at the end of the year."

So much for that being an official position.

Quote from: Eric Berger
I'm told this was a "typo" by NASA's web guy. Agency's official position is still "later this year."

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Re: Commercial Crew (CCtCAP) - Discussion Thread
« Reply #1206 on: 06/14/2018 08:06 PM »
NASA edited the problematic post. Still sticking to the dates announced earlier:

https://blogs.nasa.gov/spacestation/2018/06/12/two-nasa-astronauts-set-to-go-on-their-third-spacewalk-this-year/

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Re: Commercial Crew (CCtCAP) - Discussion Thread
« Reply #1207 on: 06/17/2018 07:45 AM »
"Houston We Have a Podcast", the official podcast of the NASA Johnson Space Center, interviews Kathy Lueders, Manager of the Commercial Crew Program based at the Kennedy Space Center in Florida: https://www.nasa.gov/johnson/HWHAP/launch-america

Not much news except DM-1 goes to Plum Brook in 1.5 weeks, but worth listening to just for the unique perspective it provides.

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Re: Commercial Crew (CCtCAP) - Discussion Thread
« Reply #1208 on: 06/17/2018 05:47 PM »
"Houston We Have a Podcast", the official podcast of the NASA Johnson Space Center, interviews Kathy Lueders, Manager of the Commercial Crew Program based at the Kennedy Space Center in Florida: https://www.nasa.gov/johnson/HWHAP/launch-america

Not much news except DM-1 goes to Plum Brook in 1.5 weeks, but worth listening to just for the unique perspective it provides.

That seems to be recorded on May 30, so DM-1 should be on it’s way

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Re: Commercial Crew (CCtCAP) - Discussion Thread
« Reply #1209 on: 06/18/2018 04:32 AM »
She said the demo missions will not be licensed by FAA, but the post-certification missions will be licensed by FAA.

She also mentioned that one potential benefit of doing an extended crewed demo mission with Boeing would be giving them more time to check out and refurbish their uncrewed demo mission vehicle since they're planning to re-use it for their PCM-1 flight.

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Re: Commercial Crew (CCtCAP) - Discussion Thread
« Reply #1210 on: 07/26/2018 07:11 PM »
https://www.nasa.gov/press-release/nasa-to-name-astronauts-assigned-to-first-boeing-spacex-flights

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NASA to Name Astronauts Assigned to First Boeing, SpaceX Flights

NASA will announce on Friday, Aug. 3, the astronauts assigned to crew the first flight tests and missions of the Boeing CST-100 Starliner and SpaceX Crew Dragon, and begin a new era in American spaceflight. NASA Administrator Jim Bridenstine will preside over the event, which will begin at 11 a.m. EDT on NASA Television and the agency’s website.

NASA will announce the crew assignments for the crew flight tests and the first post-certification mission for both Boeing and SpaceX. NASA partnered with Boeing and SpaceX to develop the Starliner spacecraft to launch atop a United Launch Alliance Atlas V rocket and the Crew Dragon launching atop the Falcon 9 rocket, respectively.

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IMO I wish to put down Eric Boe & Sunita Williams for SpX DM-2 and Chris Ferguson, Douglas Hurley & Robert Behnken for Boeing CFT-1.

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Re: Commercial Crew (CCtCAP) - Discussion Thread
« Reply #1211 on: 07/26/2018 07:23 PM »
Considering they're naming 4 crews it wouldn't surprise me to have one of each cadre crew per flight.

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Re: Commercial Crew (CCtCAP) - Discussion Thread
« Reply #1212 on: 08/01/2018 12:32 PM »
Irene Klotz - Space Editor, Aviation Week & Space Technology
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Boeing Starliner launch abort motor leak traced to faulty valves. Four of 8 stuck open following 1.5-sec hot-fire of service module test article June 2.  While repair underway, Boeing moving ahead w/ unmanned flight test in 5-6 mos, then launch abort & crew flight tests mid-2019

https://twitter.com/Free_Space/status/1024480708792922114

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Re: Commercial Crew (CCtCAP) - Discussion Thread
« Reply #1213 on: 08/01/2018 02:41 PM »
Irene Klotz - Space Editor, Aviation Week & Space Technology
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Boeing Starliner launch abort motor leak traced to faulty valves. Four of 8 stuck open following 1.5-sec hot-fire of service module test article June 2.  While repair underway, Boeing moving ahead w/ unmanned flight test in 5-6 mos, then launch abort & crew flight tests mid-2019
https://twitter.com/Free_Space/status/1024480708792922114

Interesting, is a 1.5 second test "full duration" as per Boeing's statement to Ars Technica? Can it be presumed that the uncrewed flight will not have the CAS installed on the service module or at least not have any bipropellant loaded for the flight? I was under the impression that the RCS used the same reservoir. Sorry, if this has been covered elsewhere.

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Re: Commercial Crew (CCtCAP) - Discussion Thread
« Reply #1214 on: 08/01/2018 05:25 PM »
Interesting, is a 1.5 second test "full duration" as per Boeing's statement to Ars Technica?
Good question, that does seem short.  In the following video it looks like more of a ~3s burn



In SpaceX's launch abort test of what is a relatively similar system it looks like their burn time runs somewhat over 4s



Given that, 1.5s seems much too short to be called full duration.
« Last Edit: 08/01/2018 05:27 PM by abaddon »

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Re: Commercial Crew (CCtCAP) - Discussion Thread
« Reply #1215 on: 08/01/2018 05:31 PM »
Test firings can be various lengths.  Full-duration for a particular test isn't necessarily full-duration for the intended use of the system.

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Re: Commercial Crew (CCtCAP) - Discussion Thread
« Reply #1216 on: 08/02/2018 03:42 PM »
IMO I wish to put down Eric Boe & Sunita Williams for SpX DM-2 and Chris Ferguson, Douglas Hurley & Robert Behnken for Boeing CFT-1.

And Chris Ferguson has now been confirmed to fly on the Starliner's first crewed mission next year.

Source: https://spaceflightnow.com/2018/08/02/nasas-last-shuttle-commander-to-helm-test-flight-of-boeing-crew-capsule/

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Re: Commercial Crew (CCtCAP) - Discussion Thread
« Reply #1217 on: 08/02/2018 07:18 PM »
Why is NASA only naming 8 astronauts for the first 4 flights?
I see the two on DM-2 and two on CFT-1 plus Ferguson, but aren't the post certification flights part of crew rotation.  In which case I would expect 3 astronauts plus one Russian for each of the PCM flights?
So 10 astronauts?

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Re: Commercial Crew (CCtCAP) - Discussion Thread
« Reply #1218 on: 08/02/2018 07:33 PM »
Why is NASA only naming 8 astronauts for the first 4 flights?
I see the two on DM-2 and two on CFT-1 plus Ferguson, but aren't the post certification flights part of crew rotation.  In which case I would expect 3 astronauts plus one Russian for each of the PCM flights?
So 10 astronauts?

Where are you getting 8 from?  It should be 2 on DM-2, 1 or 2 plus Ferguson on CFT (unless they exercise the extended mission option), and then 4 total (at least 2 from NASA) on each of the PCM flights.
« Last Edit: 08/02/2018 07:34 PM by gongora »

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Re: Commercial Crew (CCtCAP) - Discussion Thread
« Reply #1219 on: 08/02/2018 08:13 PM »
You would also have one Russian and one international astronauts on each of the PCM flight?
« Last Edit: 08/02/2018 08:14 PM by yg1968 »

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