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Re: SpaceX's new product/department: Starshield
« Reply #40 on: 12/07/2023 07:40 am »
https://twitter.com/byericmjohnson/status/1732622847976329305

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SpaceX’s Starlink satellite service successfully completed nine months of US military tests in the Arctic, potentially clearing the way for owner Elon Musk to deepen his ties with the Pentagon in a region of growing strategic competition.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-12-07/musk-s-starlink-system-clears-air-force-tests-in-arctic-region

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The previously undisclosed testing found that StarLink to be a “reliable and high-performance communications system in the Arctic, including on-the-move applications,” Brian Beal, principal engineer with the Air Force Research Laboratory’s Integrated Capabilities Directorate, said in a statement to Bloomberg News.

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Re: SpaceX's new product/department: Starshield
« Reply #41 on: 02/20/2024 04:14 pm »

What would be surprising is SpaceX doing this without being paid first (unless something crazy happened).

https://www.wsj.com/tech/musks-spacex-forges-tighter-links-with-u-s-spy-and-military-agencies-512399bd

Not fully confirmed that this contract is about Starshield given the wording, but it does seem like SpaceX may have gotten paid all along.

I don't really see what else this could be referring to to be honest, esp given the contract volume.

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SpaceX is deepening its ties with U.S. intelligence and military agencies, winning at least one major classified contract and expanding a secretive company satellite program called Starshield for national-security customers.

The Elon Musk-led company entered into a $1.8 billion classified contract with the U.S. government in 2021, according to company documents viewed by The Wall Street Journal. SpaceX said in the documents that funds from the contract were expected to become an important part of its revenue mix in the coming years. It didn’t disclose the name of the government customer.

Another really interesting comment on the NRO being involved:
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The company has also won significant national-security clients for its satellite technologies—a different set of offerings from SpaceX’s traditional work blasting off satellites for those customers. One such client has been the National Reconnaissance Office, according to people familiar with the matter.

That would fit with the aspect of Starshield that's marketed for earth observation, alongside SX job postings for Starshield that have been looking for people with SIGINT/ELINT/radar experience. It could also be contract work for a completely unrelated program of course

« Last Edit: 02/20/2024 04:16 pm by Teppich »

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Re: SpaceX's new product/department: Starshield
« Reply #42 on: 03/16/2024 04:03 pm »
https://www.reuters.com/technology/space/musks-spacex-is-building-spy-satellite-network-us-intelligence-agency-sources-2024-03-16/

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Exclusive: Musk's SpaceX is building spy satellite network for US intelligence agency, sources say
By Joey Roulette and Marisa Taylor
March 16, 20243:22 PM GMTUpdated 2 hours ago

WASHINGTON, March 16 (Reuters) - SpaceX is building a network of hundreds of spy satellites under a classified contract with a U.S. intelligence agency, five sources familiar with the program said, demonstrating deepening ties between billionaire entrepreneur Elon Musk's space company and national security agencies.

The network is being built by SpaceX's Starshield business unit under a $1.8 billion contract signed in 2021 with the National Reconnaissance Office (NRO), an intelligence agency that manages spy satellites, the sources said.

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Re: SpaceX's new product/department: Starshield
« Reply #43 on: 03/16/2024 11:13 pm »
This is not new news for us.  Maybe confirmation that SpaceX was given the go-ahead for this and that SpaceX is not providing the optical package.  That suggests that Musk is, so far, true to his word that he has no plans for getting into businesses other than satellite communications.

There's lots of interesting potential dual purpose stuff.  Consider the electronic intelligence potential of what is coming out of the Supplemental Coverage from Space/Big LEO work.

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Re: SpaceX's new product/department: Starshield
« Reply #44 on: 03/17/2024 12:50 am »
Perhaps a tie in with the lease of SLC-6 and the 96.9 inclination 360km VLEO request.

Would a Starshield deployment at 360km 96.9 pre-empt any Direct to Device deployment at 340km 53 degrees?

Would SpaceX then chose to deploy "Commercial D2D" also at slightly above Starshield ~360km 96.9.

The remaining V2.0 mini Group 6-1 and 6-2 satellites have been operating at ~365km for the last year.

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Re: SpaceX's new product/department: Starshield
« Reply #45 on: 03/17/2024 12:59 am »
Will a Direct to Device component be included in Starshield architecture. 

Perhaps SpaceX will develop a custom secure waveform for DoD use and implement it in on-board RANS similar to D2D?

Similar to Iridium's architecture?  Iridium's 7 year EMSS ~$740MM contract ends in early 2017.

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Re: SpaceX's new product/department: Starshield
« Reply #46 on: 03/17/2024 01:53 am »
Will a Direct to Device component be included in Starshield architecture. 

Perhaps SpaceX will develop a custom secure waveform for DoD use and implement it in on-board RANS similar to D2D?

Similar to Iridium's architecture?  Iridium's 7 year EMSS ~$740MM contract ends in early 2017.
I don't know how it is today, but in the past a custom secure waveform is the very last thing DoD would outsource. They would either develop it in-house or use an existing waveform and layer security on top of it.


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Re: SpaceX's new product/department: Starshield
« Reply #48 on: 03/21/2024 09:14 pm »
https://www.twz.com/space/if-spacexs-secret-constellation-is-what-we-think-it-is-its-game-changing

What my intention of the statement was the notion that any waveforms the Dod/DISA would want to use "standards based, or otherwise" on Starshield would likely require SpaceX to develop the "full stack" to be deployed on the on-board RANS  from scratch. 

Remember, these on-board RANS are likely running on power and resource constrained hardware.  Which lends credence to the idea that SpaceX has had to develop the LTE stack of  D2C satellites, also perhap from scratch.

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Re: SpaceX's new product/department: Starshield
« Reply #49 on: 03/22/2024 11:59 pm »
Probable 2 Starshield satellites launched on Starlink 7-16.
SpaceX F9 : Starlink group 7-16 : VSFB SLC-4E : 18/19 March 2024 (02:28 UTC)
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Re: SpaceX's new product/department: Starshield
« Reply #50 on: 04/18/2024 04:30 pm »
More reporting on Starshield from Yahoo Finance.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/exclusive-northrop-grumman-working-musks-144135155.html [Apr 18]

The main takeaway is that Northrop Grumman is providing the sensors.
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Re: SpaceX's new product/department: Starshield
« Reply #51 on: 04/18/2024 08:25 pm »
More reporting on Starshield from Yahoo Finance.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/exclusive-northrop-grumman-working-musks-144135155.html

The main takeaway is that Northrop Grumman is providing the sensors.

So, NG gets exposure to SX's sat bus (not that they don't know how to build spysats, but few can beat SX at the price and mass production game) and SX gets exposure to the imaging sensors, and possibly the radar ones, etc; and SX is known to favour vertical integration. Whould be interesting to see the contract between the two of them, especially as regards proprietary technology.
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Re: SpaceX's new product/department: Starshield
« Reply #52 on: 04/20/2024 08:58 pm »
I was a little surprised that 30cm resolution data is freely commercially available through the Worldview sats.  They apparently cost around $400-600M dollars and it's $20-60/km2 for "new" images.  Then there's a huge spectrum until it tails off to less than $1/km2 for archived images at 3m resolution without the multispectral bells and whistles.  Then there are issues of spot size, flyover intervals, redundancy in case someone gets cute with an EMP, etc. 

If I were the military I'd be pretty happy with 50-100 cm every 10 minutes, but who knows?  Periodic imaging would require way fewer satellites than global comms, which could be backstopped by regular Starlink.  Then again $1M sensor packages on 1400 satellites would still come to around $2B.  Unfortunately this is one thing where leaks are relatively uncommon.  It was hard to find data on the cost of earth observation satellites since prices and capabilities have changed drastically over the last 20 years.

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Re: SpaceX's new product/department: Starshield
« Reply #53 on: 04/24/2024 07:39 pm »
https://twitter.com/EzekielOverstr1/status/1783215213833007156
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Awesome gift I received from SpaceX for working there since 2023. [Apr 24]


There were two starshield launches in 2023. [See 3rd image.]
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Re: SpaceX's new product/department: Starshield
« Reply #54 on: 06/11/2024 10:10 pm »
https://spacenews.com/pentagon-embracing-spacexs-starshield-for-future-military-satcom/ [Jun 11]

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In a stark illustration of how rapidly the satellite communications landscape is shifting toward large constellations of smaller satellites in low-Earth orbit, the Defense Department plans to add more than 100 of SpaceX’s Starshield satellites to its future satcom architecture.

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. . . the plan is to acquire a constellation of Starshield satellites by 2029, contingent upon receiving the necessary funding appropriations from Congress.
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Re: SpaceX's new product/department: Starshield
« Reply #55 on: 06/13/2024 08:02 pm »
What if: SX supplies a basic StarLink buss to DoD/NSA, who then integrate their own sensor package. Then, instead of a separate constellation the modified sats are salted throughout the StarLink constellation.


This provides Musk with a fig leaf denial of being involved. He would be selling a generic sat buss and every day launch and comms services.


It would also be good camouflage and protect against point attack. Broad area defense from EMP or shotgun type attack is another issue.
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Re: SpaceX's new product/department: Starshield
« Reply #56 on: 11/09/2024 12:33 pm »
Learned something new today: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrence_J._O%27Shaughnessy

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O'Shaughnessy proposed the SHIELD missile defense system, which stands for Strategic Homeland Integrated Ecosystem for Layered Defense.[9]

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Since 2021, O'Shaughnessy is employed by SpaceX[10] where he leads government programs.

I guess this is why SpaceX named their military satellite system "StarShield".

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Re: SpaceX's new product/department: Starshield
« Reply #57 on: 11/11/2024 04:07 pm »
Related to that...

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The most concrete evidence of Mr. Musk’s efforts to reshape the agencies he does business with are his efforts to install his employees in the Defense Department. People familiar with those efforts said Mr. Musk recommended two SpaceX employees — a retired Air Force general and a government-affairs executive — as possible hires.
Among the SpaceX executives who have been recommended by Mr. Musk, Gen. Terrence J. O’Shaughnessy, an adviser who is retired from the Air Force, and Tim Hughes, a government affairs executive, are among Mr. Musk’s closest advisers, according to one of the people briefed. Mr. Hughes did not return a request for comment and Mr. O’Shaughnessy could not be reached.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/06/us/politics/elon-musk-trump-benefits.html

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Re: SpaceX's new product/department: Starshield
« Reply #58 on: 12/07/2024 02:52 pm »
This morning, the Washington Post has an overview article of the military implications of SpaceX's lead.  Starlink/Starshield, Starship, and rocket cargo all discussed.  The lead over China is guessed to be ~10 years.  The article plays it straight.

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Elon Musk’s Martian dreams are a boon to the U.S. military
Defense experts say SpaceX has leapfrogged global rivals and could help the United States deter -- or win -- a war against China.

Amused observers have long dismissed Elon Musk’s dream to colonize Mars as unserious science fiction. But in his pursuit of the Red Planet, Musk has managed to build a deadly serious business with vast military consequences.
Security experts say SpaceX has leapfrogged so far ahead in several critical technologies that it could deter major rivals like China from engaging in a war with the United States — or tip the balance if one breaks out. Others worry that it could provoke an untimely response.

Access through an archive site if you don't have a subscription to WaPo.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2024/12/07/musk-mars-technology-us-national-security/

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Re: SpaceX's new product/department: Starshield
« Reply #59 on: 01/28/2025 04:50 am »
This may have huge implications for SpaceX's DoD business: Trump just issued an executive order to revive SDI/Star Wars. A bit confusingly he called it The Iron Dome For America, but if you read the order it's basically an anti-ICBM shield, aimed at not just to defeat missiles from "rogue nations", but from "peer, near-peer" adversaries as well. It's going to have strong space components such as:

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Sec. 3.  Implementation.  Within 60 days of the date of this order, the Secretary of Defense shall:
     (a)  Submit to the President a reference architecture, capabilities-based requirements, and an implementation plan for the next-generation missile defense shield.  The architecture shall include, at a minimum, plans for:
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(iii)   Development and deployment of proliferated space-based interceptors capable of boost-phase intercept; 
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This is brilliant pebbles, which as have been pointed out many times on X, is now entirely doable as proven by Starlink.

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