Quote from: john smith 19 on 11/22/2017 07:12 amQuote from: Elmar Moelzer on 11/22/2017 05:24 amWith net neutrality on the chopping block, Comcast and co need a real competitor more than ever. If Musk's service can compete in price and speed and provide a ethical internet service, he might take most if not all of their customers.Or they become the back haul for Comcast and co instead. Do we really have any strong sense of exactly what their business model is? There seem to be mixed messages about this.From the trademark pagehttp://tmsearch.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&state=4808:gommzk.3.7QuoteIC 038. US 100 101 104. G & S: Satellite communication and transmission services; wireless broadband communication services; transmission of data, voice and video via satellite; interactive satellite communication services; delivery of messages by electronic transmission; providing telecommunications connections to the Internet; telecommunications gateway services; providing high-speed wireless internet access; providing multiple-user access to the internet, global computer networks, and electronic communications networks; providing access to global information networks; telecommunications services via satellite; providing a website featuring information in the field of satellite communications; providing a website featuring information in the field of internet access via satellite; providing access to electronic databases and online information for use in retrieving satellite data, recordings, and measurements; satellite photography servicesIC 042. US 100 101. G & S: Research and development services in the field of satellite communications; consulting services in the field of satellite communications; engineering services in the field of satellite communications; scientific and technological services, namely, research, analysis, and monitoring of data captured via remote sensors and satellites; remote sensing services, namely, aerial surveying through the use of satellitesStandard Characters Claimed Mark Drawing Code (4) STANDARD CHARACTER MARKSerial Number 87576978Filing Date August 21, 2017Current Basis 1B;44DOriginal Filing Basis 1B;44DOwner (APPLICANT) Space Exploration Technologies Corp. CORPORATION DELAWARE 1 Rocket Road Hawthorne CALIFORNIA 90250Attorney of Record Brendan J. HughesPriority Date February 24, 2017Type of Mark SERVICE MARKRegister PRINCIPALLive/Dead Indicator LIVE
Quote from: Elmar Moelzer on 11/22/2017 05:24 amWith net neutrality on the chopping block, Comcast and co need a real competitor more than ever. If Musk's service can compete in price and speed and provide a ethical internet service, he might take most if not all of their customers.Or they become the back haul for Comcast and co instead. Do we really have any strong sense of exactly what their business model is? There seem to be mixed messages about this.
With net neutrality on the chopping block, Comcast and co need a real competitor more than ever. If Musk's service can compete in price and speed and provide a ethical internet service, he might take most if not all of their customers.
IC 038. US 100 101 104. G & S: Satellite communication and transmission services; wireless broadband communication services; transmission of data, voice and video via satellite; interactive satellite communication services; delivery of messages by electronic transmission; providing telecommunications connections to the Internet; telecommunications gateway services; providing high-speed wireless internet access; providing multiple-user access to the internet, global computer networks, and electronic communications networks; providing access to global information networks; telecommunications services via satellite; providing a website featuring information in the field of satellite communications; providing a website featuring information in the field of internet access via satellite; providing access to electronic databases and online information for use in retrieving satellite data, recordings, and measurements; satellite photography servicesIC 042. US 100 101. G & S: Research and development services in the field of satellite communications; consulting services in the field of satellite communications; engineering services in the field of satellite communications; scientific and technological services, namely, research, analysis, and monitoring of data captured via remote sensors and satellites; remote sensing services, namely, aerial surveying through the use of satellitesStandard Characters Claimed Mark Drawing Code (4) STANDARD CHARACTER MARKSerial Number 87576978Filing Date August 21, 2017Current Basis 1B;44DOriginal Filing Basis 1B;44DOwner (APPLICANT) Space Exploration Technologies Corp. CORPORATION DELAWARE 1 Rocket Road Hawthorne CALIFORNIA 90250Attorney of Record Brendan J. HughesPriority Date February 24, 2017Type of Mark SERVICE MARKRegister PRINCIPALLive/Dead Indicator LIVE
In 2016, Satellite-related business globally was a $260.5M industry....
Quote from: AncientU on 11/22/2017 12:16 pmIn 2016, Satellite-related business globally was a $260.5M industry....Don't you mean Billion$?
I have seen this list month ago on this forum. I am not sure why it comes as a surprise now. I think it was discussed when the starlink name appeared for the first time. Did something change since then? I thought it is common knowledge what SpaceX plans to do with starlink.
Personally I'm floored by the scope of the operations... this takes convergence to new heights... pun intended...I can see in 10-30 years that this could be as disruptive as electricity was to the Steam Economy of the late 19th century...
I'm not a lawyer, but my understanding of the function of a trademark application is to claim as broad a scope as possible to avoid anyone else using your mark in a related field. So we should read this as a list of Starlink-related businesses SpaceX might conceivably want to pursue, not as a business plan.
Quote from: billh on 11/22/2017 06:06 pmI'm not a lawyer, but my understanding of the function of a trademark application is to claim as broad a scope as possible to avoid anyone else using your mark in a related field. So we should read this as a list of Starlink-related businesses SpaceX might conceivably want to pursue, not as a business plan.https://www.chinatrademarkoffice.com/index.php?c=tdsearch&mark=starlink&IntCls=&ln=&per_page=I can find no relevant starlink trademarks.They really should be doing this now, or it gets considerably harder to defend the mark in china.Perhaps I am misusing the search engine though.
Quote from: Semmel on 11/22/2017 02:10 pmI have seen this list month ago on this forum. I am not sure why it comes as a surprise now. I think it was discussed when the starlink name appeared for the first time. Did something change since then? I thought it is common knowledge what SpaceX plans to do with starlink.Not so common... I spend a lot of time lurking and missed this... and it would seem I'm not the only one...if you have a link to that discussion, it might be useful for others to go over, it would help inform the discussionhere...
SpaceX trademark filings to name their constellation STARLINK were updated with new information on 21 August 2017. Of particularly note is the mention of "satellites for scientific and commercial purposes" and "satellite photography services", possibly suggesting that SpaceX is considering a multipurpose LEO constellation. https://www.trademarkia.com/company-space-exploration-technologies-corp-1140826-page-1-2Can also be found through the US Patent Office's Trademark Electronic Search System, but wow is that thing outdated... Full disclosure: /u/Ronsmytheii's post on this disappeared, I was already planning on mentioning this new info.
From the report, it is interesting to notice that the main revenue of all that business is Satellite TV with 37.5% ($97.7B) followed by GNSS consumer equipment with 32.3% ($84.6B). Together they make an outstanding ~70% of all the space business cake. In comparison, launch services is only the 2.1% ($5.5B), close to Satellite Radio 1.9% ($5.0B).
What are the chance that Starlink will be offering banking & scamcurrency services? Since Musk have reacquired his old x.com domain from Paypal.
The last service mentioned is a surprise: Satellite Photography Services. Don't recall mention of putting an image sensor and telescope on board, but if Planet can do it with a few hundred 3x cube sats, why not add it to 12000 small sats ( full constellation ).
scientific and technological services, namely, research, analysis, and monitoring of data captured via remote sensors and satellites; remote sensing services, namely, aerial surveying through the use of satellites
>This goes well beyond imaging/photography. Coverage of the planet is potentially continuous, everywhere. 12,000 sats spread over 4*Pi* steradians (~40,000 square degrees) is more than a satellite per each 2x2degree square of the sky (simplifying, of course, since there will be overlap areas around 50-55degrees latitude, geometrical considerations, etc.). If each imager/sensor has at least a 4 sq. degree footprint, coverage will be continuous. And the bulk of the sats are (planned to be) only a few hundred km above the ground.I can see DoD buying a 'subscription' or two, maybe NOAO, Nat'l Weather Service, etc. -- and DoD might be a bit more than interested in anywhere broadband comms, too.Could negate the need for many expensive USG payloads methinks.
"And, as a combatant commander, I won’t support the development any further of large, big, fat, juicy targets. I won’t support that,” he insisted. “We are going to go down a different path. And we have to go down that path quickly."
From the report, it is interesting to notice that the main revenue of all that business is Satellite TV with 37.5% ($97.7B) ...
BTW Semmel, I was one of those who missed the tabulation in OP and I'm sure there are others. I suggest using this thread for operations and business case/competition discussions, while the manufacturing thread concentrates more on the fabrication, testing, launch activities.