My vote's on, "ITS going to be YOUGE!" Party Thread
Quote from: Chris Bergin on 09/19/2016 04:40 pmI'll set up the main threads for this. I think we need a live update thread and a discussion thread and heck maybe a party thread. It's gonna be huge Party Thread name... Elon says "ITS gonna be Youge!" party thread
I'll set up the main threads for this. I think we need a live update thread and a discussion thread and heck maybe a party thread. It's gonna be huge
The Big Let Down
Quote from: WBY1984 on 09/20/2016 01:44 pmQuote from: Jim on 09/20/2016 12:40 pmThe Big Let DownI'm not always in agreement with you Jim, but I could not agree strongly enough with you on this. So much hype, so little reality.I look at it like this. Who is doing the hyping? Is it SpaceX/Musk or everyone else.Since the only thing SpaceX/Musk have said is announcing his speech, and about three tweets, max 128x3 characters - can't get much hype in there.So any hype is NOT down to Musk/SpaceX. So therefor doesn't count as company hype.Therefor, since the hype we have doesn't count because it's just a bunch of people making stuff up who have little or nothing to do with Musk or SpaceX, what actually is there to 'let down'?Of course, if you do feel let down, don't blame Musk or SpaceX - blame the people who actually 'hype', or yourself, for believing the hype.I'm just going to wait and see what he says. I've got plenty of patience.
Quote from: Jim on 09/20/2016 12:40 pmThe Big Let DownI'm not always in agreement with you Jim, but I could not agree strongly enough with you on this. So much hype, so little reality.
Quote from: JamesH65 on 09/20/2016 07:59 pmQuote from: WBY1984 on 09/20/2016 01:44 pmQuote from: Jim on 09/20/2016 12:40 pmThe Big Let DownI'm not always in agreement with you Jim, but I could not agree strongly enough with you on this. So much hype, so little reality.I look at it like this. Who is doing the hyping? Is it SpaceX/Musk or everyone else.Since the only thing SpaceX/Musk have said is announcing his speech, and about three tweets, max 128x3 characters - can't get much hype in there.So any hype is NOT down to Musk/SpaceX. So therefor doesn't count as company hype.Therefor, since the hype we have doesn't count because it's just a bunch of people making stuff up who have little or nothing to do with Musk or SpaceX, what actually is there to 'let down'?Of course, if you do feel let down, don't blame Musk or SpaceX - blame the people who actually 'hype', or yourself, for believing the hype.I'm just going to wait and see what he says. I've got plenty of patience.I think blame can be reasonably laid upon both Musk as well as the 'hypers'.
Quote from: JamesH65 on 09/20/2016 07:59 pmQuote from: WBY1984 on 09/20/2016 01:44 pmQuote from: Jim on 09/20/2016 12:40 pmThe Big Let DownI'm not always in agreement with you Jim, but I could not agree strongly enough with you on this. So much hype, so little reality.I look at it like this. Who is doing the hyping? Is it SpaceX/Musk or everyone else.Since the only thing SpaceX/Musk have said is announcing his speech, and about three tweets, max 128x3 characters - can't get much hype in there.So any hype is NOT down to Musk/SpaceX. So therefor doesn't count as company hype.Therefor, since the hype we have doesn't count because it's just a bunch of people making stuff up who have little or nothing to do with Musk or SpaceX, what actually is there to 'let down'?Of course, if you do feel let down, don't blame Musk or SpaceX - blame the people who actually 'hype', or yourself, for believing the hype.I'm just going to wait and see what he says. I've got plenty of patience.I think blame can be reasonably laid upon both Musk as well as the 'hypers'.Musk is well practiced at whipping up a frenzy - he's been doing it for fourteen years and probably a lot longer than that. He doesn't need to flood his twitter with messages of 'zomg Mars!' because he's been prepping everyone for occasions like this for years.So long as he's suggesting Mars is achievable by the 2020's whilst his rockets exhibit insufficient reliability...actually let's be even more general than that: So long as he consistently over-promises and under delivers on FH and Crew Dragon schedule, F9 cadence and aforementioned reliability, then he and SpaceX are guilty of hyping things up beyond what is even remotely realistic vis a vis Mars.In the meantime his undoubted showmanship has damaged companies that have demonstrated much more assured access to space.You say that Musk hasn't done any hyping, I think it is his standard operating procedure.
Thread title should be Elon: champion for humanity.
BOOO for the title of this party thread! (Not being a native English speaker I had to read it half a dozen times to parse it correctly)Other than that I wish everyone here a pleasant stay and lotsa fun watching Elon talk.
Quote from: WBY1984 on 09/20/2016 10:49 pmQuote from: JamesH65 on 09/20/2016 07:59 pmQuote from: WBY1984 on 09/20/2016 01:44 pmQuote from: Jim on 09/20/2016 12:40 pmThe Big Let DownI'm not always in agreement with you Jim, but I could not agree strongly enough with you on this. So much hype, so little reality.I look at it like this. Who is doing the hyping? Is it SpaceX/Musk or everyone else.Since the only thing SpaceX/Musk have said is announcing his speech, and about three tweets, max 128x3 characters - can't get much hype in there.So any hype is NOT down to Musk/SpaceX. So therefor doesn't count as company hype.Therefor, since the hype we have doesn't count because it's just a bunch of people making stuff up who have little or nothing to do with Musk or SpaceX, what actually is there to 'let down'?Of course, if you do feel let down, don't blame Musk or SpaceX - blame the people who actually 'hype', or yourself, for believing the hype.I'm just going to wait and see what he says. I've got plenty of patience.I think blame can be reasonably laid upon both Musk as well as the 'hypers'.I'll give it to the SpaceX 'haters', now they can add reliability to schedules as the two items to drum, drum, drum into our ears.
I think blame can be reasonably laid upon both Musk as well as the 'hypers'.Musk is well practiced at whipping up a frenzy - he's been doing it for fourteen years and probably a lot longer than that. He doesn't need to flood his twitter with messages of 'zomg Mars!' because he's been prepping everyone for occasions like this for years.So long as he's suggesting Mars is achievable by the 2020's whilst his rockets exhibit insufficient reliability...actually let's be even more general than that: So long as he consistently over-promises and under delivers on FH and Crew Dragon schedule, F9 cadence and aforementioned reliability, then he and SpaceX are guilty of hyping things up beyond what is even remotely realistic vis a vis Mars.In the meantime his undoubted showmanship has damaged companies that have demonstrated much more assured access to space.You say that Musk hasn't done any hyping, I think it is his standard operating procedure.
... Regardless of whether they ever get it to Mars, I wanna see that rocket. I, for one, don't care about any timelines....
Quote from: Prettz on 09/21/2016 04:57 pm... Regardless of whether they ever get it to Mars, I wanna see that rocket. I, for one, don't care about any timelines.......and this is why we aren't currently on the Moon or Mars. Big rockets = cool! Actually doing any exploration with them = meh.