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Russia and Brazil
« on: 02/08/2007 08:22 pm »
Anyone know what the Russians are planning to help the Brazilians launch out of Alcantara?

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RE: Russia and Brazil
« Reply #1 on: 02/08/2007 10:16 pm »
The Russians are helping Brazil get back in track after the explosion of the VLS-1 (V03) on the pad and also giving some advise to the new VLS-2. The Makeyev Institute is helping in this effort.

Other plans include the development of the third stage liquid propulsion VLS-Alfa rocket to be launched in 2010.

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Re: Russia and Brazil
« Reply #2 on: 02/08/2007 10:54 pm »
Ukraine was/is also cooperating with Brazil, Alcantara is supposed to become the launch site of the Tsyklon-4, but little have been heard after the first agreements. So I guess we have to wait, don't think progress on Brazil's space programme has picked up much momentum after that horrible fire.
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Re: Russia and Brazil
« Reply #3 on: 02/08/2007 11:12 pm »
According to this news from the Brazilian Space Agency http://www.aeb.gov.br/conteudo.php?ida=5&idc=146&id=1029 (in portuguese), the diferent parts os the launch platform for the Tsyklon-4 rocket and associated equipment is almost over. They will be sent to Alcantara in the middle of 2007. The 63 parts were made by Dneprotiazhmash.

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Re: Russia and Brazil
« Reply #4 on: 02/18/2007 09:02 pm »
Tsyclon...This means Brazil could have a Titan II/Delta II class LV--very close to the equator.
And no cryogenic headaches either.

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Re: Russia and Brazil
« Reply #5 on: 02/19/2007 07:42 pm »
When could be the earliest launch for Tsyklon from Brazil?

Stefan :)

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Re: Russia and Brazil
« Reply #6 on: 02/19/2007 08:07 pm »
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publiusr - 18/2/2007  5:02 PM

Tsyclon...This means Brazil could have a Titan II/Delta II class LV--very close to the equator.
And no cryogenic headaches either.

You are delusional.  You keep referring to Glusko's and Kololev's arguments of the 60's which have no bearing on the present.  Cryogenic "headaches" only apply to weapon systems.   They are easy to manage.  All major launch systems use cryogenic save for one.  There are worse problems worse with hypergols and they have nothing to do with the launch vehicle

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Re: Russia and Brazil
« Reply #7 on: 02/19/2007 08:29 pm »
We all know they can be hard to work with Jim. And you yourself have seen spacecraft with hypergolics lofted by Deltas, so they can be managed too. Stop posting hostile remarks.

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Re: Russia and Brazil
« Reply #8 on: 02/19/2007 08:54 pm »
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publiusr - 19/2/2007  4:29 PM

We all know they can be hard to work with Jim. And you yourself have seen spacecraft with hypergolics lofted by Deltas, so they can be managed too. Stop posting hostile remarks.

Different quantities.  Apples and Oranges

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Re: Russia and Brazil
« Reply #9 on: 02/20/2007 09:30 am »
OK enough of the banter already ;) Here is a recent news article

Highlights
*A joint venture company for rockets and satellites, established by Brazil and Ukraine, should begin operating this year.
*The first launch should take place by 2009


Some related sources on Tsyklon 4 (here and here)
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Re: Russia and Brazil
« Reply #10 on: 05/11/2007 10:37 pm »
Doesnt sound good for the Tsyklon-4. From this report (warning, PDF file). It seems Russia has withdrawn support for its development, which is of course needed considering that much of the important components are made in Russia.

Has somebody got an update from the Brazilian side of the story, Angara from Alcantara?

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Re: Russia and Brazil
« Reply #11 on: 05/11/2007 11:04 pm »
Some Russian specialists are supposedly still helping "modernize" the VLS-1.
This news article: http://www.stratfor.com/products/premium/read_article.php?id=287477 in April stated the Ukrainian National Space Agency was involved in the Tsyklon 4 project so if that article was current then, nothing had changed.
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