First to reach orbit, New Glenn vs Starship?

[Tywin]

The race is on...

[Tommyboy]

The race is on...

What's changed?

[Vahe231991]

The race is on...

What's changed?

Elon Musk wants to have SpaceX conduct the second Starship launch this summer. Regardless, Starship could be the first to reach a sustained orbit because construction of sub-assemblies for the New Glenn is still underway.

[Tywin]

whitout a pad, I doubt...

[spacenut]

Pad is being rebuilt as we type. 

[Tywin]

New Glenn is coming, the 2024 will be amazing...

[spacenut]

The Starship pad should be finished by the first of July with the improvements.  Then it would be waiting on FAA launch approval for a specific time.  At least 2-3 Starships are built as well as a couple of more boosters.  They do have approval to launch 5 times a year from Boca Chica. 

New Glenn is way behind schedule, like several years behind.  Even Starship is a couple of years behind Schedule, but SpaceX has the hardware and engines.  Blue doesn't tell us much. 

Also, New Glenn is not a competitor to Starship, but to Falcon Heavy as for payload capabilities.  Starship is more a competitor to SLS. 

[Tommyboy]

New Glenn is coming, the 2024 will be amazing...

No way that NG is launching in 2024.

[Kspbutitscursed]

New Glenn is coming, the 2024 will be amazing...

No way that NG is launching in 2024.

its targeting Q4 2023 at the moment but it will probably launch in 2024

[AndrewM]

New Glenn is coming, the 2024 will be amazing...

No way that NG is launching in 2024.

its targeting Q4 2023 at the moment but it will probably launch in 2024

There is 0 chance for a 2023 launch, Vulcan is currently targeting mid-December 2023 at the earliest for its debut and it has the first flight BE-4s.

[Coastal Ron]

whitout a pad, I doubt...

Your comment was from May 24th, when it was unclear what the solution was going to be for the Starship Orbital Launch Platform rebuild. Now we know what the solution is, it's been installed, it seems to work, and they have a flight stack of booster and ship on the pad waiting for FAA approval.

They still have a lot of new things to prove out, like hot staging, but assuming the OLM survives in good shape after the upcoming launch, SpaceX has more ships and boosters they can process for flight THIS YEAR!

What is the latest progress on New Glenn? Do they have a complete flight set built yet?

[Vahe231991]

whitout a pad, I doubt...

What is the latest progress on New Glenn? Do they have a complete flight set built yet?

Blue Origin has not yet completed a single New Glenn, but photos of fabricated hardware for the New Glenn rocket can be found here:
https://www.space.com/blue-origin-new-glenn-rocket-factory-photo

[Coastal Ron]

whitout a pad, I doubt...

What is the latest progress on New Glenn? Do they have a complete flight set built yet?

Blue Origin has not yet completed a single New Glenn, but photos of fabricated hardware for the New Glenn rocket can be found here:
https://www.space.com/blue-origin-new-glenn-rocket-factory-photo

Oh, I have no doubt that they have pieces and parts of a New Glenn rocket, but since the topic of this thread is about who will be the first to reach orbit, how does that compare to actual flight hardware that SpaceX has already assembled and tested, and is just awaiting government approval of the launch license?

And granted, this next Starship launch may not make it to orbit, but SpaceX has stated publicly that they have lots of hardware in process, and will try to fit in another launch this year.

It's just a matter of looking at the pace of accomplishment to understand that SpaceX has tremendous advantages over Blue Origin regarding who will reach orbit first. One would have to hope for something major to go wrong with SpaceX to give New Glenn a chance to reach orbit first.

[Tywin]

Oh no, just saw this pole...

NG was competing with FH.
Now it is competing with SS, and is woefully behind.

Maybe if you poll NG to orbit vs. SS to Mars you'll have a balanced poll...

Still waiting...

[Tywin]

Seriously? Starship is already on the pad, New Glenn on paper…

Will see, if the paper rocket launch first to orbit...

https://twitter.com/mhaskellphoto/status/1744404314917884190

[Tywin]

Voting closes: 2023-10-15, 21:39:34

My bet is that we'll have a definitive answer even before this poll closes...

UPssss, maybe NOT...

[Tywin]

In other words, is the poll strictly excluding this first launch of Starship or not?

Ambiguous poll wording such that half the thread is just debating what the poll is actually asking is something of a specialty of Tywin's.

Yeahh, that is TRUE, guilty of having an open mind, and not being a fanboi of certain company...

[Tywin]

New Glenn is coming, the 2024 will be amazing...

No way that NG is launching in 2024.

11 months and 20 days...will see...

[ugordan]

In other words, is the poll strictly excluding this first launch of Starship or not?

Ambiguous poll wording such that half the thread is just debating what the poll is actually asking is something of a specialty of Tywin's.

Yeahh, that is TRUE, guilty of having an open mind, and not being a fanboi of certain company...

No, just a fanboi of a certain OTHER company. Seriously, I don't think I've seen any SpX fan bois recently even as remotely as fervent as you...

[Tywin]

In other words, is the poll strictly excluding this first launch of Starship or not?

Ambiguous poll wording such that half the thread is just debating what the poll is actually asking is something of a specialty of Tywin's.

Yeahh, that is TRUE, guilty of having an open mind, and not being a fanboi of certain company...

No, just a fanboi of a certain OTHER company. Seriously, I don't think I've seen any SpX fan bois recently even as remotely as fervent as you...

I am NOT a faboi of any company, I LOVE space, complete all space agencies and companies, amateurs organization, all...

But here there has been much pleasure in mockery and indifference to anything but the magic ship, of the star company....