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SpaceX Texas Massey site Discussion and Updates
« on: 09/06/2022 08:44 pm »
https://twitter.com/nicansuini/status/1567251277666566146

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Two big nitrogen cryo tanks have been moved from the production site to the new SpaceX facility being built at the end of Massey Way!

-@NASASpaceflight
« Last Edit: 09/18/2022 05:41 pm by FutureSpaceTourist »

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Re: SpaceX Texas Massey site Discussion and Updates
« Reply #1 on: 09/07/2022 04:58 am »
Why would they move Raptor testing all the way to Masseys? For noise reasons? Or no large enough space at Starbase production site? There is no real damage to other infrastructure risk, is there? Did serious mishaps with damage happen at McGregor?

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« Reply #2 on: 09/07/2022 06:28 am »
Why would they move Raptor testing all the way to Masseys? For noise reasons? Or no large enough space at Starbase production site? There is no real damage to other infrastructure risk, is there? Did serious mishaps with damage happen at McGregor?
 
 
Isolated location. They can test Raptors all day, every day, and not affect operations at the Launch Site or Production Facility. If they had a test stand at the launch site, they would have to shut down operations whenever they wanted to test fire a Raptor.
 
Not saying they will be testing all day, every day, that's hyperbole for the example.
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Re: SpaceX Texas Massey site Discussion and Updates
« Reply #3 on: 09/07/2022 06:06 pm »
Why would they move Raptor testing all the way to Masseys?
They're not moving McGregor testing.  The factory is there; that's where they validate new units and do their prototyping.

They're adding an additional site, likely for troubleshooting or for requalifying units that they may have repaired. 

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Re: SpaceX Texas Massey site Discussion and Updates
« Reply #4 on: 09/18/2022 05:42 pm »
Made this a separate thread. Cool new photo:

https://twitter.com/rgvaerialphotos/status/1571548651000066048

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We are live now and covering the developments at Masseys: Livestream link:

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Re: SpaceX Texas Massey site Discussion and Updates
« Reply #5 on: 09/18/2022 06:09 pm »
Is the tower going to be a vertical test stand perhaps? Maybe not, close to the building. Water tower?
« Last Edit: 09/18/2022 06:10 pm by Hamish.Student »

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Re: SpaceX Texas Massey site Discussion and Updates
« Reply #6 on: 09/18/2022 07:08 pm »
That was the test rig they made for a max-Q on a nosecone.

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Re: SpaceX Texas Massey site Discussion and Updates
« Reply #7 on: 09/27/2022 01:17 pm »

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Re: SpaceX Texas Massey site Discussion and Updates
« Reply #8 on: 09/30/2022 05:19 pm »
https://twitter.com/rgvaerialphotos/status/1575897760804802560

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SpaceX already testing a tank at Massey’s (tank frosty). Just saw it from the plane

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https://twitter.com/rgvaerialphotos/status/1575903220970713088

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SpaceX cryo tested an EDOME at Massey's for the first time just an hour ago. It popped just a few minutes ago.
« Last Edit: 09/30/2022 05:40 pm by FutureSpaceTourist »

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Re: SpaceX Texas Massey site Discussion and Updates
« Reply #9 on: 09/30/2022 06:08 pm »
https://twitter.com/labpadre/status/1575913179300827136

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SpaceX just completed a test to destruction of EDOME at Massey's site on Sapphire cam.
@elonmusk how did the test go? #Starbase #SpaceX #Texas
« Last Edit: 09/30/2022 06:24 pm by FutureSpaceTourist »

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Re: SpaceX Texas Massey site Discussion and Updates
« Reply #10 on: 09/30/2022 06:46 pm »
 Somebody could probably get one of the Mexican fishermen to give them a good view from the river for a 12 pack of beer.
 They like Busch for some reason.
Those who danced were thought to be quite insane by those who couldn't hear the music.

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Re: SpaceX Texas Massey site Discussion and Updates
« Reply #11 on: 09/30/2022 07:42 pm »
Somebody could probably get one of the Mexican fishermen to give them a good view from the river for a 12 pack of beer.
 They like Busch for some reason.
You're speaking hypothetically of course
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Re: SpaceX Texas Massey site Discussion and Updates
« Reply #12 on: 10/01/2022 01:43 am »
Somebody could probably get one of the Mexican fishermen to give them a good view from the river for a 12 pack of beer.
 They like Busch for some reason.
You're speaking hypothetically of course
You can also trade the beer for a bucket of fish to give to an old Mexican Marine (Who's sung backup for Santana) for his several dozen cats so he'll let you hang out at his place on the river for launches.

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Those who danced were thought to be quite insane by those who couldn't hear the music.

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Re: SpaceX Texas Massey site Discussion and Updates
« Reply #13 on: 10/01/2022 07:31 am »
https://twitter.com/rgvaerialphotos/status/1575897760804802560

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SpaceX already testing a tank at Massey’s (tank frosty). Just saw it from the plane

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https://twitter.com/rgvaerialphotos/status/1575903220970713088

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SpaceX cryo tested an EDOME at Massey's for the first time just an hour ago. It popped just a few minutes ago.
Nice to see full bunding for tank tests. Should alleviate the LN2 (and other cryogen) spill concerns raised by USFWS.

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Re: SpaceX Texas Massey site Discussion and Updates
« Reply #15 on: 10/29/2022 07:26 pm »
https://twitter.com/rgvaerialphotos/status/1586430487085686788

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Aerial photo taken today of the EDome at Massey's. It was tested earlier this week. RIP

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Re: SpaceX Texas Massey site Discussion and Updates
« Reply #16 on: 11/06/2022 05:42 pm »
https://twitter.com/rgvaerialphotos/status/1589319888870727680

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Covering the changes at Masseys, Edome is getting scrapped. Watch here:  youtu.be/nBJIECcznv8

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Re: SpaceX Texas Massey site Discussion and Updates
« Reply #17 on: 11/07/2022 10:30 am »
Looks like all remains of the firing range have now been demolished.

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Re: SpaceX Texas Massey site Discussion and Updates
« Reply #18 on: 11/08/2022 08:58 pm »
https://twitter.com/starshipgazer/status/1590100395086721027

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A large new LOX cryo tank arrived at the Port of Brownsville today from Cape Canaveral, FL and was transported to the new SpaceX testing site (formerly Massey's gun range).

11/8/22

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Re: SpaceX Texas Massey site Discussion and Updates
« Reply #19 on: 11/08/2022 09:38 pm »
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SpaceX GSE tank has arrived at their test facility this afternoon.

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Re: SpaceX Texas Massey site Discussion and Updates
« Reply #20 on: 11/09/2022 08:52 am »
So these went from Boca Chica to KSC and now back to Boca Chica?

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Re: SpaceX Texas Massey site Discussion and Updates
« Reply #21 on: 11/09/2022 07:00 pm »
So these went from Boca Chica to KSC and now back to Boca Chica?

I thought that, but having asked the people who track SpaceX related ships,  apparently these are different tanks than were sent to KSC.

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Re: SpaceX Texas Massey site Discussion and Updates
« Reply #22 on: 11/12/2022 12:40 am »
On reddit someone made this comment about Massey site:

Quote from: /u/Happy-Increase6842
I counted 6 cryogenic nitrogen storage tanks at the Masseys test site. The place is undergoing a major renovation right now from what I've seen.

I'm starting to think that Masseys will be a cryogenic testing station not only for the test tanks, but also for the Starship and Superheavy.

This will greatly speed up the launch process, avoid congesting the launch site, and they won't have to close the beach for a cryogenic test.

I hope what I'm seeing is right.

Alexphysics - which I believe is the user handle for NSF's Alejandro Alcantarilla Romera - confirmed it by replying "As a great doctor would say... bringo!"

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Re: SpaceX Texas Massey site Discussion and Updates
« Reply #23 on: 11/12/2022 12:43 am »
Makes sense. I wonder if we will still see Raptor testing there like was originally stated, in addition to cryotesting. 
 
If they do end up moving Cryo-Tests to Masseys, will be a great efficiency gain in their operations.

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Re: SpaceX Texas Massey site Discussion and Updates
« Reply #24 on: 11/12/2022 03:13 am »
They're going to need another crane.

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Re: SpaceX Texas Massey site Discussion and Updates
« Reply #25 on: 11/12/2022 05:09 am »
They're going to need another crane.
 
 
The new tower is secretly for Massey's Site. You heard it here first.  :D

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Re: SpaceX Texas Massey site Discussion and Updates
« Reply #26 on: 11/12/2022 05:25 pm »
https://twitter.com/rgvaerialphotos/status/1591496639453208579

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Masseys discussion is happening now!
Notice anything different? I do
Watch here: youtu.be/DhQ_NW9DF3A

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Re: SpaceX Texas Massey site Discussion and Updates
« Reply #27 on: 11/19/2022 05:48 pm »
https://twitter.com/rgvaerialphotos/status/1594028235330707457

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Starbase Weekly is live now!

New Masseys Flyover, join us now to hear the discussion on the new developments!

Link: youtu.be/aMYweAPdAJo

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Re: SpaceX Texas Massey site Discussion and Updates
« Reply #28 on: 12/01/2022 03:10 pm »

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Re: SpaceX Texas Massey site Discussion and Updates
« Reply #29 on: 12/10/2022 05:46 pm »
https://twitter.com/rgvaerialphotos/status/1601643731186520064

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Masseys is being prepped for testing as well as being used as a storage for cladding and new starfactory items to name a few.
Watch live here: youtu.be/K72y4jepGUI

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Re: SpaceX Texas Massey site Discussion and Updates
« Reply #30 on: 12/13/2022 05:28 am »
Cross-post, test article incoming:

https://twitter.com/spmttracker/status/1602543876153163778

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Overnight, Can Crusher with S26.1 on top and the Cap were all moved to the Massey's new test site!
📷:@LabPadre

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Re: SpaceX Texas Massey site Discussion and Updates
« Reply #31 on: 12/17/2022 05:32 pm »
https://twitter.com/rgvaerialphotos/status/1604179548106539012

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Test tank B26.1 getting prepped for can crusher test
Livestream link: youtu.be/ZbRpMqJgncs

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Re: SpaceX Texas Massey site Discussion and Updates
« Reply #32 on: 12/17/2022 05:33 pm »
https://twitter.com/rgvaerialphotos/status/1604178985193291777

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Old Masseys clubhouse being demolished, new Starfacotry parts being loaded on to a flatbed in route to Sanchez/Build site, a lot of new ground work.
Live: youtu.be/ZbRpMqJgncs

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Re: SpaceX Texas Massey site Discussion and Updates
« Reply #33 on: 12/30/2022 07:32 pm »
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S26.1 has concluded it's testing at masseys and is probably going to be taken back to Sanchez site soon.
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« Reply #34 on: 01/05/2023 03:25 am »
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Deep caisson drilling rig being assembled at Masseys,
could this be for a raptor test stand?
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Re: SpaceX Texas Massey site Discussion and Updates
« Reply #35 on: 01/09/2023 05:39 am »
twitter.com/rgvaerialphotos/status/1611784137165111300

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Starbase Weekly is live in T-5 minutes!
🔗: youtu.be/dXKEAWhI_EQ

Commentators: @indnstar @Thomaseo01 @JaxLR07 & @CSI_Starbase

Masseys raptor test stand is possible based on the caisson drilling rig being assembled.

Which raptor test stand is more plausible Left or Right?

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1612312107671863297

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Massey’s gun range is being turned into a rocket test facility. Perfect match.

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Re: SpaceX Texas Massey site Discussion and Updates
« Reply #36 on: 01/10/2023 09:04 am »
rocket test

or

engine test

???

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Re: SpaceX Texas Massey site Discussion and Updates
« Reply #37 on: 01/10/2023 01:15 pm »
rocket engine test.

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Re: SpaceX Texas Massey site Discussion and Updates
« Reply #38 on: 01/21/2023 06:25 am »
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The rocket testing facility at the Massey’s site will be more than twice as large as the suborbital test site at the launch complex in terms of capacity. Elon downplayed the significance of that facility pretty drastically.  SpaceX dismantled most of the Pad39A tank farm this.

https://twitter.com/csi_starbase/status/1616696659362123778

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It’s looking like this tank farm will have closer to 3x capacity than the suborbital farm. The question is how many test stands they will have.  Theoretically boosters can be tested on transport stands so predicting the scope of this operation is near impossible at moment.

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Re: SpaceX Texas Massey site Discussion and Updates
« Reply #39 on: 01/21/2023 09:14 am »
Adding three more liquid nitrogen tanks does definitely look to me like adding a lot more capacity to do larger cryo tests at Massey... Effectively replaces the need to do them at the launch site and having to close the road to perform them. The interesting part comes from the water tanks, manifolds, and pipes. If those also go to Massey and not just for storing them there then we have more fun things going on down there...

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Re: SpaceX Texas Massey site Discussion and Updates
« Reply #40 on: 01/28/2023 05:38 pm »
twitter.com/rgvaerialphotos/status/1619400029390913536

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A lot happening at Masseys
Watch the live discussion here:  youtube.com/live/X-l3lORWL…

https://twitter.com/rgvaerialphotos/status/1619400303375429634

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QD system for a ship has shown up to Masseys!
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Re: SpaceX Texas Massey site Discussion and Updates
« Reply #41 on: 01/28/2023 07:45 pm »
Rather than become a raptor test/maintenance site, Massey's may be destined to be a cryo testing facility.  This would allow them to do this without closing the road to the coast. 

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Re: SpaceX Texas Massey site Discussion and Updates
« Reply #42 on: 02/04/2023 01:50 pm »
https://twitter.com/csi_starbase/status/1621879269545676801

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The first of what appears to be 3 Cryo Stations is finally taking shape at the Massey's Test Facility!

Lots of updates to cover this week on the #StarbaseWeekly Livestream hosted by @RGVaerialphotos .

We will be live in 3.5 hours. Don't miss it!

🔗youtube.com/live/Ax15LhMJf…

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Re: SpaceX Texas Massey site Discussion and Updates
« Reply #43 on: 02/06/2023 09:51 am »
Massey's is only a little over a kilometre from Highway 4. There would still be rolling disruption during vehicle transport to/from the site (and for longer, Massey's is twice as far as the launch site form the build site), and any pressure testing necessitating an exclusion zone would likely also cover Highway 4 - the hard checkpoint and all-personnel exclusion zone for launch site ops is around 2.5km - and necessitate a road closure and beach access closure anyway.
It frees up launch site GSE and schedule (not needing to clear the site for tank testing), but also 'costs' a missed opportunity to exercise launch site GSE.

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Re: SpaceX Texas Massey site Discussion and Updates
« Reply #44 on: 02/06/2023 10:38 am »
Massey's is only a little over a kilometre from Highway 4. There would still be rolling disruption during vehicle transport to/from the site (and for longer, Massey's is twice as far as the launch site form the build site), and any pressure testing necessitating an exclusion zone would likely also cover Highway 4 - the hard checkpoint and all-personnel exclusion zone for launch site ops is around 2.5km - and necessitate a road closure and beach access closure anyway.
It frees up launch site GSE and schedule (not needing to clear the site for tank testing), but also 'costs' a missed opportunity to exercise launch site GSE.
The location of the checkpoint for testing activities at the pad doesn't really tell us how big the exclusion zone is, because they just set up at the last side road so that people heading that direction have a place to turn around. It doesn't seem unreasonable to expect that Massey's is far enough from highway 4 to allow traffic during testing, even the worst case cryo test failure wouldn't throw debris that far.

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Re: SpaceX Texas Massey site Discussion and Updates
« Reply #45 on: 02/06/2023 12:35 pm »
Massey's is only a little over a kilometre from Highway 4. There would still be rolling disruption during vehicle transport to/from the site (and for longer, Massey's is twice as far as the launch site form the build site), and any pressure testing necessitating an exclusion zone would likely also cover Highway 4 - the hard checkpoint and all-personnel exclusion zone for launch site ops is around 2.5km - and necessitate a road closure and beach access closure anyway.
It frees up launch site GSE and schedule (not needing to clear the site for tank testing), but also 'costs' a missed opportunity to exercise launch site GSE.
The location of the checkpoint for testing activities at the pad doesn't really tell us how big the exclusion zone is, because they just set up at the last side road so that people heading that direction have a place to turn around. It doesn't seem unreasonable to expect that Massey's is far enough from highway 4 to allow traffic during testing, even the worst case cryo test failure wouldn't throw debris that far.
The hard checkpoint is at the edge of the keep-out zone.

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Re: SpaceX Texas Massey site Discussion and Updates
« Reply #46 on: 02/27/2023 07:46 pm »
https://twitter.com/vickicocks15/status/1630306779656605700

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Massey's current inhabitants...from L to R...S25, 7.1 (on the can crusher), B6 and S26.1 (per @JaxLR07 )
@LabPadre #RaptorRoostCam

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Re: SpaceX Texas Massey site Discussion and Updates
« Reply #47 on: 02/28/2023 11:19 pm »
Seems there's cryo vapors coming out of infrastructure at Massey's right now on Raptor Roost cam.
« Last Edit: 02/28/2023 11:52 pm by jackvancouver »

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Re: SpaceX Texas Massey site Discussion and Updates
« Reply #48 on: 03/01/2023 04:22 pm »
Pics from this weekend's RGV discussion showed that they're still installing lines to the new cryo stand, and they're purging new piping and draining it. 

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Re: SpaceX Texas Massey site Discussion and Updates
« Reply #49 on: 03/04/2023 05:10 pm »
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🔗 youtube.com/live/_kcbWp-pc…

-Ship 25 is on the cryo station.
-B6 test to destruction is imminent!

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Re: SpaceX Texas Massey site Discussion and Updates
« Reply #50 on: 03/09/2023 08:00 pm »
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Re: SpaceX Texas Massey site Discussion and Updates
« Reply #51 on: 04/16/2023 07:05 am »
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youtube.com/live/2wf6srjmm…

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Re: SpaceX Texas Massey site Discussion and Updates
« Reply #52 on: 04/28/2023 12:57 am »
FIRE at Massey's reported by LabPadre

https://twitter.com/LabPadre/status/1651750187155574786

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Re: SpaceX Texas Massey site Discussion and Updates
« Reply #53 on: 04/28/2023 01:18 am »
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After a little waiting for an update, sounds like this was a brush fire. Should be fine.

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Re: SpaceX Texas Massey site Discussion and Updates
« Reply #54 on: 04/28/2023 01:25 am »
 Several emergency vehicles headed that way.
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Re: SpaceX Texas Massey site Discussion and Updates
« Reply #55 on: 04/29/2023 06:09 am »
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Figured out what was on fire at Masseys based on imagery we captured today.

A telehandler, forklift and multiple light towers are charred.

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Re: SpaceX Texas Massey site Discussion and Updates
« Reply #56 on: 04/29/2023 08:47 pm »

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Re: SpaceX Texas Massey site Discussion and Updates
« Reply #57 on: 05/05/2023 07:07 pm »
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Ship 25 is getting frost at the Masseys site. @elonmusk said they were yet to decide which Ship will fly with Booster 9.

Ship 25-28 (maybe more) are in play.

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Re: SpaceX Texas Massey site Discussion and Updates
« Reply #58 on: 05/05/2023 07:22 pm »
Very interesting to see S25 being tested.

I feel like it is very much in the mix for the repeat flight of 7/24. 

The ship selection may depend on how long it takes to have the pad and FAA approval for the next flight.
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Re: SpaceX Texas Massey site Discussion and Updates
« Reply #59 on: 05/05/2023 11:30 pm »
Very interesting to see S25 being tested.

I feel like it is very much in the mix for the repeat flight of 7/24. 

The ship selection may depend on how long it takes to have the pad and FAA approval for the next flight.

It might be flight prep for S25 or it might be a test of the Infrastructure at Massey's. Maybe a change in procedure with a "pathfinder" article prior to risking Flight hardware.  Or maybe it's both.... it's always tough to tell with SpaceX
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Re: SpaceX Texas Massey site Discussion and Updates
« Reply #60 on: 05/07/2023 07:06 am »
If Ship 25 is truly a twin to 24, then it isn't compatible (barring mods) with the newer boosters.
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Re: SpaceX Texas Massey site Discussion and Updates
« Reply #61 on: 05/07/2023 07:45 am »
If Ship 25 is truly a twin to 24, then it isn't compatible (barring mods) with the newer boosters.

? Please expand on that assertion.

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Re: SpaceX Texas Massey site Discussion and Updates
« Reply #62 on: 05/07/2023 02:07 pm »
Sorry, lack of sleep and confusion with 4/20.

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Re: SpaceX Texas Massey site Discussion and Updates
« Reply #63 on: 05/07/2023 02:10 pm »
If Ship 25 is truly a twin to 24, then it isn't compatible (barring mods) with the newer boosters.
This is my understanding too, but I can't remember why. Is it the stage separation mechanism that is different?

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Re: SpaceX Texas Massey site Discussion and Updates
« Reply #64 on: 05/17/2023 10:22 pm »
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We’re getting great use out of Massey’s gun range!

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Re: SpaceX Texas Massey site Discussion and Updates
« Reply #65 on: 05/19/2023 06:36 am »
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Cryo testing at Massey's this evening. youtube.com/live/JGZEAYy0s…  #SpaceX #Starbase #Starship

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Re: SpaceX Texas Massey site Discussion and Updates
« Reply #66 on: 06/03/2023 05:39 pm »
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Re: SpaceX Texas Massey site Discussion and Updates
« Reply #67 on: 06/17/2023 10:29 pm »
Seriously?  Four times linked?

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Re: SpaceX Texas Massey site Discussion and Updates
« Reply #68 on: 06/18/2023 12:27 am »
Seriously?  Four times linked?
I had the same thought, but the video covers four work site thread areas.  Oh well, you could have been a little bit more polite.  Post deleted.
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Re: SpaceX Texas Massey site Discussion and Updates
« Reply #69 on: 06/18/2023 12:55 am »
No harm intended; it was rather short the way I wrote it.  Sorry...

But seeing them, it picked a scab off for me about something that kind of bugs me here:  too many threads that aren't much distinguished from each other.  Seems to make a lot of work for the mods, too, who make a boatload of "cross posts" trying to accommodate all the slots that appear to fit. 

I don't have a solution, but it's one of those "I know it when I see it" situations. 

Maybe vids could go in a generic "Starbase Videos" thread in the General Forum.  And comments then in the appropriate sub forum. 

But this gripe is off topic for this one, so never mind.

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Re: SpaceX Texas Massey site Discussion and Updates
« Reply #70 on: 06/18/2023 01:14 am »

Maybe the videos could go into a generic "Starbase Videos" thread in the "SpaceX" General Forum.  and comments in the appropriate sub-forum. 



Done!!  Thank you.
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Re: SpaceX Texas Massey site Discussion and Updates
« Reply #71 on: 06/19/2023 09:45 am »
If information is relevant to more than one thread, there is no harm in posting it in more than one thread. This is not a social-media-internet-points-farming operation, there is nothing lost by adding information where it is relevant.

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Re: SpaceX Texas Massey site Discussion and Updates
« Reply #72 on: 06/19/2023 09:59 am »
If the information is relevant to more than one thread, there is no harm in posting it in more than one thread. This is not a social-media-internet-points-farming operation, there is nothing lost by adding information where it is relevant.

Thanks for the support.  I was hoping that RGV would index their video so that I can just indicate which chapters to review or provide the time stamp.  I've also considered editing the video into parts relevant to the thread but then that would take away their monetarization.
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Re: SpaceX Texas Massey site Discussion and Updates
« Reply #73 on: 06/19/2023 09:37 pm »
... I was hoping that RGV would index their video so that I can just indicate which chapters to review or provide the time stamp.  I've also considered editing the video into parts relevant to the thread but then that would take away their monetarization.

If you queue the video to the point in time that you want, then click the share button, then the dialog has a check box to "Start at <time>". Then you can click the copy button to copy the link, and the link will have a reference to that time. That means anyone clicking on the link will automatically start playing at the point in time you created the link for.
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Re: SpaceX Texas Massey site Discussion and Updates
« Reply #74 on: 06/20/2023 12:28 am »
... I was hoping that RGV would index their video so that I can just indicate which chapters to review or provide the time stamp.  I've also considered editing the video into parts relevant to the thread but then that would take away their monetarization.

If you queue the video to the point in time that you want, then click the share button, then the dialog has a check box to "Start at <time>". Then you can click the copy button to copy the link, and the link will have a reference to that time. That means anyone clicking on the link will automatically start playing at the point in time you created the link for.

Yes, I used that feature but it never worked on the site (I'm a YT creator). It just starts playing at the beginning.
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Re: SpaceX Texas Massey site Discussion and Updates
« Reply #75 on: 06/20/2023 02:30 am »
... I was hoping that RGV would index their video so that I can just indicate which chapters to review or provide the time stamp.  I've also considered editing the video into parts relevant to the thread but then that would take away their monetarization.

If you queue the video to the point in time that you want, then click the share button, then the dialog has a check box to "Start at <time>". Then you can click the copy button to copy the link, and the link will have a reference to that time. That means anyone clicking on the link will automatically start playing at the point in time you created the link for.

Yes, I used that feature but it never worked on the site (I'm a YT creator). It just starts playing at the beginning.

That's weird. Maybe the forum is stripping out the extra options on the URL, though I wouldn't have expected it to.
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Re: SpaceX Texas Massey site Discussion and Updates
« Reply #76 on: 06/20/2023 04:02 am »
... I was hoping that RGV would index their video so that I can just indicate which chapters to review or provide the time stamp.  I've also considered editing the video into parts relevant to the thread but then that would take away their monetarization.

If you queue the video to the point in time that you want, then click the share button, then the dialog has a check box to "Start at <time>". Then you can click the copy button to copy the link, and the link will have a reference to that time. That means anyone clicking on the link will automatically start playing at the point in time you created the link for.

Yes, I used that feature but it never worked on the site (I'm a YT creator). It just starts playing at the beginning.

That's weird. Maybe the forum is stripping out the extra options on the URL, though I wouldn't have expected it to.

I did some experiments.  One of the issues is that the video is classified as "Live" rather than an "uploaded" video.  NSF will strip the time code.  But I also tried the time stamp for regularly uploaded videos and had the same issue.  So nothing has changed since I stopped doing that.  So what I will do is post the entire video on the Starbase thread and post thread links of it to the three various discussion threads (Massey, Manufacturing. Launch Pad).   Hopefully, I won't get chastised for posting the same link everywhere.
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Re: SpaceX Texas Massey site Discussion and Updates
« Reply #77 on: 06/20/2023 04:16 am »
https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=53216.msg2498640#msg2498640

Massey 00:00 to 38:06
Sanchez Site: 38:07 1:12:15
Manufacturing : 1:12:15 to 2:01:44
Village : 2:01:45 to 2:12:14
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Re: SpaceX Texas Massey site Discussion and Updates
« Reply #78 on: 06/20/2023 04:33 pm »
... I was hoping that RGV would index their video so that I can just indicate which chapters to review or provide the time stamp.  I've also considered editing the video into parts relevant to the thread but then that would take away their monetarization.

If you queue the video to the point in time that you want, then click the share button, then the dialog has a check box to "Start at <time>". Then you can click the copy button to copy the link, and the link will have a reference to that time. That means anyone clicking on the link will automatically start playing at the point in time you created the link for.
On desktops, you can also just scrub the the desired time and right-click to get a timestamp link.

Problem is, the NSF forum software removes the timestamp portion of any youtube links as part of the embedding process, and the software also force-embeds anything it thinks looks like a youtube URL even if you try to make it a clickable link instead.

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Re: SpaceX Texas Massey site Discussion and Updates
« Reply #79 on: 07/28/2023 02:52 am »
Cross-post:

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2 Starships and 1 Booster.

High-resolution satellite imagery captured SpaceX's Starbase test sites on 2023-07-26 17:01:46 UTC.

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Re: SpaceX Texas Massey site Discussion and Updates
« Reply #80 on: 09/12/2023 02:15 pm »
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Super Heavy Booster Ten @ Masseys - Image Taken: September 11, 2023

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Re: SpaceX Texas Massey site Discussion and Updates
« Reply #81 on: 09/23/2023 06:25 pm »
SpaceX has a water treatment facility at Massey’s. Does anyone have information on this?
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Re: SpaceX Texas Massey site Discussion and Updates
« Reply #82 on: 10/04/2023 10:09 pm »
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Re: SpaceX Texas Massey site Discussion and Updates
« Reply #84 on: 11/06/2023 05:33 pm »
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Down at the Massey's Test Site, the "top hat" has been placed on the structure that will be used to test flight-like forces on S24.2.
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Re: SpaceX Texas Massey site Discussion and Updates
« Reply #85 on: 11/15/2023 05:42 am »
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A new tank has showed up to Masseys. Spotted by @Irmaatilano01

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Re: SpaceX Texas Massey site Discussion and Updates
« Reply #86 on: 11/23/2023 06:01 pm »
Some new overhead views from the latest NSF video:


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Re: SpaceX Texas Massey site Discussion and Updates
« Reply #87 on: 11/25/2023 12:14 am »
Interesting,  from the appearance of those heat exchangers it looks like they'll be installing a bunch more tanks.

Does anyone have an estimate of their current volume of tankage?

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« Reply #88 on: 11/25/2023 03:26 pm »
Interesting,  from the appearance of those heat exchangers it looks like they'll be installing a bunch more tanks.

Does anyone have an estimate of their current volume of tankage?

Some have thought that the heat exchangers indicates that they are going to do test fires there but I don't think so

I suspect that they are to cool off the LOX before and after tests so as to reduce boil-off and waste.

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« Reply #89 on: 11/25/2023 03:40 pm »
Interesting,  from the appearance of those heat exchangers it looks like they'll be installing a bunch more tanks.

Does anyone have an estimate of their current volume of tankage?

Some have thought that the heat exchangers indicates that they are going to do test fires there but I don't think so

I suspect that they are to cool off the LOX before and after tests so as to reduce boil-off and waste.
I don't think the cost of the LOX is much higher than the cost of the liguid Nitrogen you would need in order to cool it, and there is no difference in environmental damage between venting LOX and venting liquid Nitrogen.

Recapturing the methane is a whole 'nother story. either flare it or save it.

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Re: SpaceX Texas Massey site Discussion and Updates
« Reply #91 on: 12/12/2023 06:06 pm »
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« Reply #92 on: 12/12/2023 06:14 pm »

What are the odds that Spacex will move future ship testing to Masseys and gut the current sub orbital setup to use the entire space for the 2nd tower?

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« Reply #93 on: 12/12/2023 06:37 pm »
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These tanks have quite a long history for those that have been following Starbase. This is from July 30th 2022, Mary took a shot of one of these preparing for departure to KSC (full video: youtube.com/watch?v=OsBMAX…).

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They were later seen at Launch Complex 39A seemingly not doing much other than just waiting. This picture is from aerial imagery by NOAA taken right after Hurricane Ian back in October 2022 (see this tweet: twitter.com/Harry__Strange…)

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Then a few weeks ago they were moved to Roberts Road and, as I pointed out on our latest flyover (screenshot from that on the tweet, full video here: youtube.com/watch?v=xXwmEv…), the tanks had been going back and forth between places.

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So seeing the path they've taken, it's not surprising that they may be going back to Starbase given they're being staged at the turn basin. These are most likely headed to the new tank farm being built at the Massey Outpost.

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Re: SpaceX Texas Massey site Discussion and Updates
« Reply #94 on: 12/12/2023 06:51 pm »
Saturday's RGV video for Massey's shows that they have a pad poured already for those two.

Here, at 12:40:


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What are the odds that Spacex will move future ship testing to Masseys and gut the current sub orbital setup to use the entire space for the 2nd tower?
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Lots of cutting going on here. Is this the end for Test Stand A?

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It certainly looks like the end for Test Stand A now.

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« Reply #96 on: 12/13/2023 03:37 pm »
What are the odds that Spacex will move future ship testing to Masseys and gut the current sub orbital setup to use the entire space for the 2nd tower?
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I have been thinking for a few years that the suborbital pads and tank farm are redundant. 

Especially the tank farm.  Just route commodities from the orbital tanks if needed, plus it takes up a sizeable footprint.

If they can get licensed to do Ship, or a small subset of engines (not 33 raptors) at Massey's that could really help out.

If they are going to do that, or rework the suborbital pads, I think they need to include a flame bucket and deluge, there is no need to be blasting the entire surrounding area or exposing the vehicle to over pressures either.  Also, buckets and water are cheap.
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« Reply #97 on: 12/24/2023 06:53 pm »
https://twitter.com/csi_starbase/status/1738911611237360028

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The new flame trench for Starship Static Fire testing at Massey’s looks like it will be roughly 200ft long, 60ft wide, and 60ft feet deep.

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So, it is pretty much the same size as the one out in McGregor, TX (vertical test stand)

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« Reply #98 on: 01/03/2024 10:20 pm »
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A new tank has arrived at Massey’s on this very windy of Wednesdays. This appears to be one of the two tanks that arrived via barge with the tower segment. January 3, 2024 #Starbase
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More SpaceX eye candy has appeared at the Massey test site for the flame trench. Four large grey bases were seen in the last @RGVaerialphotos flyover with 6 cutouts allowing for the 6 C-shaped beams (onsite for months) to be welded into place likely to form the plume diverter.

Just FYI for L2 members this was also spotted on the ground at McGregor recently.
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Not quite sure what to say about this...
Ignoring how it looks...let's think about WHAT it is! Water tank? Has to be, right? For the new flame trench? Can't think what else this size might be needed at Masseys...

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« Reply #102 on: 02/20/2024 11:39 pm »
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Interesting parts are taking shape at #SpaceX's Masseys test site. As more work is completed on the new flame diverter, seemingly random parts start developing into recognizable assemblies. In this short thread, I'll present some ideas surrounding these new parts. As always, this is speculative and subject to change. /1



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« Reply #103 on: 02/20/2024 11:40 pm »
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As always, I do my best to model in detail with accurate measurements from recreated camera shots. Here are my models with one of the images I used from @RGVaerialphotos's recent flyover. Consider becoming a flight supporter as things get more interesting at the Masseys site. /2
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First up is the assumed "flame bucket" part of the diverter system. This will be built using 4 pedestals with 6 slots allowing the 6 "C" shaped beams to be attached to form the frame for a curved surface with walls. /3
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The pedestals appear to be hollow and have anchoring pegs inside and out suggesting that they will be embedded in concrete and filled with concrete once assembled. /4
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« Reply #106 on: 02/20/2024 11:43 pm »
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This truss platform has been around for weeks now. I initially thought it could be for a roof section but its width suggests that it will be narrower than the flame trench. Based on my understanding it only fits one place. More details on that next./5

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This is highly speculative, but given the recent foundation for what appears to be the business end of the flame trench, it appears that these assemblies could be related and form the primary diverter frame. Once installed they could look similar to this. 6/
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I will continue to update these models as things develop. There are still many unanswered questions and I would not be surprised if, by the next flyover, things look entirely different. Check back for updates in the near future. /7

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Not quite sure what to say about this...
Ignoring how it looks...let's think about WHAT it is! Water tank? Has to be, right? For the new flame trench? Can't think what else this size might be needed at Masseys...

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It might be new as one of the typical purchase options is where you order the base product and have it shipped where a contractor finishes it out at the job site. This is a common method of purchase for special purpose railway tank cars such as those used to transport refrigerants, cryogenics, hypergols, and commodities such as Phosphorus.
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