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Exploration Company Nyx
« on: 05/24/2022 11:27 pm »

European startup aiming for what resembles a stripped down yet refuelable capsule and trunk called Nyx for a variety of unmanned lab, cargo, and crew applications, including lunar access:

https://exploration.space/nyx
https://exploration.space/missions

Unclear what they’re launching on long-term, but they have a sub-scale reentry demo aboard an Ariane 6 in 2024:

https://europeanspaceflight.com/the-exploration-company-aims-to-offer-europe-independent-access-to-space/

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https://m.youtube.com/channel/UCNPX8yYUi4qS3obLp5RJxew

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Re: Exploration Company Nyx
« Reply #1 on: 05/26/2022 07:02 pm »
Nice website.

Nothing about funding or timeline.

They want to build a space vehicle better than Crew Dragon or Starliner. What makes them think they can?

Funded by whom? To launch on what?

Ironically, even before the time they could even by likely to begin to bend metal, SpaceX Starship is likely to render all their plans obsolete.

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Re: Exploration Company Nyx
« Reply #2 on: 05/27/2022 03:58 am »
Looks like they're competing against two other commercial 'downmass' companies, Space Forge of the UK and Varda Space Industries of California. A lot of new companies banking on the commercial applications of the Zero-G environment are popping up, and time will tell whether they would be successful or not. I wholeheartedly disagree with what WmThomas is saying about Starship-the wonder machine - replacing all downmass projects, just like how spaceX is yet to replace all the other launch space companies. There would still be demand for smaller payload operators.

Interestingly, they seem to be using the same reentry system as the Lunar Lander. I wonder how that would work out. 


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Re: Exploration Company Nyx
« Reply #3 on: 05/27/2022 04:04 am »
I think they are betting on a European decision to have ESA being tasked by its member states to create a European crewed system for LEO and Moon and that in such a context they could be selected over the usual choice, i.e. Airbus Defence and Space.

Some of their guys are former Airbus people.
« Last Edit: 05/27/2022 04:06 am by hektor »

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Re: Exploration Company Nyx
« Reply #4 on: 05/27/2022 09:47 am »
And they seem to be French and German; not US. So maybe the thread is not in the right place.

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Re: Exploration Company Nyx
« Reply #5 on: 05/27/2022 10:12 am »
Nothing about funding or timeline.

They want to build a space vehicle better than Crew Dragon or Starliner. What makes them think they can?

Funded by whom? To launch on what?

Ironically, even before the time they could even by likely to begin to bend metal, SpaceX Starship is likely to render all their plans obsolete.
And exactly this type of post is why many members have left NSF, and lot's of space related news from Europe isn't shared here. This is about Europe also developing a capability, they don't have to beat anyone.
Please stop bringing SpaceX into each and every topic. IT IS REALLY ENOYING!!!

And they seem to be French and German; not US. So maybe the thread is not in the right place.
So only commercial space companies can be located in the US. Or is this a critic to how moderators have setup the commercial section; than I agree. But it's called: 'COMMERCIAL AND US GOVERNMENT LAUNCH VEHICLES' for a reason.

The Exploration company is a startup, they were founded in 2021. I think they have concepts for two systems; the capsule and a propulsion module. Their competition is with Vega C + Spacerider and/ or EL3.
I think they could also use the capsule for a service like BO New Shepard with experiments (not tourist) from Esrange. That could be launched on a modified first stage from one of the ESA BOOST! contenders.
« Last Edit: 05/27/2022 10:27 am by Rik ISS-fan »

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Re: Exploration Company Nyx
« Reply #6 on: 05/27/2022 05:32 pm »
Other companies with similar concepts are Space Tango, and Mu Space...
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Re: Exploration Company Nyx
« Reply #7 on: 05/27/2022 05:55 pm »
A small cargo rentry vehicle is good place to start. This is what inspace manufacturing needs.
Nothing wrong with thinking big and having crew transport as long term goal. Peter Beck's advise to space startups is think big ie $100B not $100M company.

Spaceship is coming we may as well not try is mentality of losers. Winners go for it regardless of how big competition and sometimes are successful.

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Re: Exploration Company Nyx
« Reply #8 on: 05/28/2022 01:37 pm »
So only commercial space companies can be located in the US. Or is this a critic to how moderators have setup the commercial section; than I agree. But it's called: 'COMMERCIAL AND US GOVERNMENT LAUNCH VEHICLES' for a reason.

I am American, but I am a fan of commercial space flight generally.

The questions I asked are what I would ask about a image and word filled website that reveals almost nothing serious about the company in question.

I'd love to see a thriving European commercial space industry. But if Nyx is just fishing for ESA funds, that's not really a commercial business model. I don't regard the Northrop-Grumman Antares system as all that commercial either, since it just exists to fulfill one government contract.

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Re: Exploration Company Nyx
« Reply #10 on: 07/29/2022 12:57 pm »
I think they are betting on a European decision to have ESA being tasked by its member states to create a European crewed system for LEO and Moon and that in such a context they could be selected over the usual choice, i.e. Airbus Defence and Space.

Any ESA official picking a small startup over AD&S or ArianeGroup for Europe's first proper manned spaceflight program would probably be involuntarily detained by psychiatrists...

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Re: Exploration Company Nyx
« Reply #11 on: 07/31/2022 04:00 am »
Nice website.

Ironically, even before the time they could even by likely to begin to bend metal, SpaceX Starship is likely to render all their plans obsolete.

Starship is likely to require many years of testing before it is commercially useful.

Reading your comment, I can imagine a Russian engineer in 1967 saying “why are we bothering with Soyuz, when N-1 will make it obsolete”.

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Re: Exploration Company Nyx
« Reply #12 on: 07/31/2022 04:40 am »
Reading your comment, I can imagine a Russian engineer in 1967 saying “why are we bothering with Soyuz, when N-1 will make it obsolete”.

Unlikely, as a version of Soyuz (the Soyuz LOK) was literally a part of the N-1 program! Perhaps he might have said "Why bother with the N-1, when Buran will make it obsolete."
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Re: Exploration Company Nyx
« Reply #13 on: 07/31/2022 02:36 pm »
Nice website.

Ironically, even before the time they could even by likely to begin to bend metal, SpaceX Starship is likely to render all their plans obsolete.

Starship is likely to require many years of testing before it is commercially useful.

Reading your comment, I can imagine a Russian engineer in 1967 saying “why are we bothering with Soyuz, when N-1 will make it obsolete”.
Nyx wants to build a crew spacecraft with a crew capsule and an expendable service module or trunk section. We have two recent worked examples for this: Crew Dragon and Starliner. For each of them, the development phase started in 2014 after a fairly long initial design effort. Crew Dragon's first operational flight was in 2020, so six years. Starliner's first operational flight will be NET 2023, so nine years.  Even if Nyx is past initial design and at beginning of development, do you really think they will be operational before 2028? for Starship, HLS is supposed to be operational in 2025, which includes "many years of testing". I don't know how to predict the schedule of a full-up crewed Starship with EDL.

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Re: Exploration Company Nyx
« Reply #14 on: 08/12/2022 10:21 am »
« Last Edit: 08/12/2022 10:22 am by hektor »

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Re: Exploration Company Nyx
« Reply #15 on: 08/12/2022 10:51 am »
There are some interviews with CEO Hélène Huby on YouTube worth watching. Company is made up of experienced management and senior aerospace engineers.
This is a company to watch.

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Re: Exploration Company Nyx
« Reply #16 on: 09/13/2022 01:50 am »
https://twitter.com/jeff_foust/status/1569331069207384064

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The Exploration Company, a European startup developing cargo vehicles for LEO and the Moon, is seeing strong interest in a Series A round it just started raising, CEO Helene Huby says at #WSBW. It’s flying a ballistic reentry demonstrator on the 1st Ariane 6 next year.

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Re: Exploration Company Nyx
« Reply #17 on: 10/12/2022 07:51 am »
Huracan engine

From this file

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The Exploration Company develops, manufactures and operates orbital vehicles and
technological bricks that make space exploration accessible.
The project accelerates and diversifies the development of the Huracan engine. Huracan serves the
needs of the upper stages of small launchers, and those of orbital vehicles. It allows
small launchers to diversify their missions and increase their performance. He will be
available from 2025. Huracan works with liquid oxygen and bio-methane:
it is environmentally friendly; consistent with the technological trend of using
oxygen and methane; and complementary to the more powerful Prometheus engine, which
uses the same fuels. Its thrust is variable; it is reusable & re-ignitable;
80% of its mass is additively manufactured.

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Re: Exploration Company Nyx
« Reply #18 on: 10/12/2022 11:07 am »
It is encouraging to see all these startups being launched in the space sector.

I've participated in some of these.  [From the sidelines, not from the check book.]  But the question remains; will these new companies eventually shut down for the sake of promotions?  It's a relatively new career enhancement strategy. 

https://www.reddit.com/r/Stadia/comments/xvma0l/peter_yang_why_google_abandons_so_many_products/

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2019/04/googles-constant-product-shutdowns-are-damaging-its-brand/

LPA:  Launch, Promo, Abandon.
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Sometimes I just flat out don't get it.

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Re: Exploration Company Nyx
« Reply #19 on: 02/01/2023 10:09 am »
https://twitter.com/andrewparsonson/status/1620721957347151872

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Big news: The Exploration Company has secured €40.5M in Series A funding led by EQT Ventures and Red River West.  The company is developing a reusable space capsule called Nyx that will be used to fly science missions, resupply space stations, and, in time, host crewed missions.

https://www.linkedin.com/posts/exploration-company_the-exploration-companypress-release-series-activity-7026459127660847104-bcn3

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We are delighted to announce that we have raised a 40 million Series A round, co-lead by EQT Group and Red River West.

This exceptional Series A - the biggest space tech Series A raised in Europe - has been enabled by the competence and dedication of The Exploration Company's team who has worked hard to deliver on time, cost and quality our planned milestones.

It is also the result of the commitment of our Seed Investors: Promus Ventures, Cherry Ventures and Vsquared Ventures.

We are thrilled to welcome onbaord Omnes, July Fund, Partech, HABERT DASSAULT FINANCE, SLB, Wealth Management Alliance, Possible Ventures, Rymdkapital and SISTAFUND.

Special thanks to Alfred Vericel, Luc-Emmanuel Barreau, Bertrand Schmitt, Ted Persson, Jenny Dreier, Sai Sriramagiri, Michel de Lempdes and Hugo Hubert.

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