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Turkey's new space roadmap
« on: 02/09/2021 06:01 pm »
Recep Tayyip Erdoğan launched an ambitious Turkish space roadmap. On the menu: Hard landing on the moon by 2023, soft landing by 2028; Turkish SLV, spaceport and more.

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Re: Turkey's new space roadmap
« Reply #1 on: 02/09/2021 06:02 pm »

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Re: Turkey's new space roadmap
« Reply #2 on: 02/09/2021 06:23 pm »
Given Turkey economic status (really bad honestly) this seems just propaganda to me.

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Re: Turkey's new space roadmap
« Reply #3 on: 02/10/2021 02:59 am »
Given Turkey economic status (really bad honestly) this seems just propaganda to me.

I think you underestimate how little it costs to develop a rocket compared to a countries GDP. For Turkey it is $50M/$761B = 0.007%, assuming $50M/year for four years.
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Re: Turkey's new space roadmap
« Reply #4 on: 02/10/2021 09:49 am »
Part of it probably is propaganda and the rest, cultivating indigenous technical know-how in advanced technologies so as to not be dependent on third countries that could decide to cut off your access to space if international relations go sour. For example,  the recent diplomatic row over Turkey purchasing Russian S-400 missile defense systems and U.S threats to them off from purchasing F35s because of it.

That aside, its not an unreasonable program relative to the size of the Turkish economy. By IMF estimates, they're the 13th biggest economy in the world by GDP(PPP) and roughly 11 times bigger than New Zealand, who as we know have Rocket Lab as their claim to world fame. Electron cost about $100 million to develop and other private sector efforts have been roughly similar in cost so $50 million is not unreasonable at all for small satellite launcher.

If they want to develop their own space launch capability, I say more power to them! The more distributed space access capability becomes, the more opportunity humanity has for exploration and expansion into space.

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Re: Turkey's new space roadmap
« Reply #5 on: 02/10/2021 10:17 am »
The timeline seems extremely short, can they really reach the moon in <3 years starting from almost nothing? Even reaching LEO would be ambitious.

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Re: Turkey's new space roadmap
« Reply #6 on: 03/01/2021 09:10 pm »
Sinop space sounding range with two types of sounding rockets
1: roketsan SR0.1 two stage sounding rocket (solid + liquid)
2: deltav space SORS single stage hybrid sounding rocket


« Last Edit: 03/01/2021 09:21 pm by hunter3000 »

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Re: Turkey's new space roadmap
« Reply #7 on: 02/22/2023 03:21 pm »
Any news about Turkey's 2023 moon impact probe? Is someone working on it?
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Re: Turkey's new space roadmap
« Reply #8 on: 02/22/2023 03:43 pm »
Any news about Turkey's 2023 moon impact probe? Is someone working on it?
I haven't found any evidence of active development in 2023 so far.
« Last Edit: 02/23/2023 01:59 am by russianhalo117 »


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Re: Turkey's new space roadmap
« Reply #11 on: 02/23/2023 01:30 am »


. By IMF estimates, they're the 13th biggest economy in the world by GDP(PPP) and roughly 11 times bigger than New Zealand, who as we know have Rocket Lab as their claim to world fame. Electron cost about $100 million to develop and other private sector efforts have been roughly similar in cost so $50 million is not unreasonable at all for small satellite launcher.


RL were trying scale up production for high flight rate which accounted for lot of their costs. If Turkey only plan to build handful of small LVs a year then $100m is realistic. Of course good chunk could endup financing some officials new car, yacht or house

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Re: Turkey's new space roadmap
« Reply #12 on: 08/26/2023 07:40 pm »
The AYAP-1 moon impact probe has just left the design phase. Now it needs to be built. Launch slips from 2023 to "önümüzdeki yıllarda" (in the coming years).

https://www.donanimhaber.com/amp/ay-a-gidecek-yerli-uzay-aracinin-tasariminda-sona-gelindi--165962

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The project was officially begun on 15 December 2021 and operational concept, mission design and functional architecture definitions have been completed to this day. With this, the preliminary design phase of the first mission has been concluded. AYAP-1 system and related technologies to be developed within the scope of the project, the scientific and operational data to be collected and the mission operations experience to be gained from the first phase will form the basis for the soft landing mission targeted for soft landing in the second phase.
https://uzay.tubitak.gov.tr/en/node/3067/

The 2023 launch date was nonsense. This is an early-stage project, which may launch in the late 2020s.
« Last Edit: 08/30/2023 07:55 am by PM3 »
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Re: Turkey's new space roadmap
« Reply #13 on: 10/30/2023 04:43 pm »
During IAC2023, space agency chairman informned that, launch date postponed to 2026.

The AYAP-1 moon impact probe has just left the design phase. Now it needs to be built. Launch slips from 2023 to "önümüzdeki yıllarda" (in the coming years).

https://www.donanimhaber.com/amp/ay-a-gidecek-yerli-uzay-aracinin-tasariminda-sona-gelindi--165962

https://uzay.tubitak.gov.tr/en/node/3067/

The 2023 launch date was nonsense. This is an early-stage project, which may launch in the late 2020s.
« Last Edit: 10/30/2023 04:44 pm by Gokhan P »

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