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tiSpace-Taiwanese commercial launch company
« on: 12/01/2019 11:57 am »
http://www.tispace.com/
 Taiwanese company developing a hybrid orbital launch vehicle, Hapith V. They had 150 employees as of an AIAA talk in August, where they also presented a paper on their development process which is unfortunately paywalled. Launch of a two-stage demonstrator (Hapith I) is to take place before the end of the year. Uses composite-case HTPB/NOx motors.

 A video from a couple weeks ago say's they'll be 'ready for orbital launch in early 2020'; they also claim the three-stage orbital vehicle will put 390kg in orbit for $5-6 million, and that weekly launches are a 'short term goal'. They certainly don't lack ambition, you can say that much.

This overview video including a bunch of test footage and launch site location (which I've been unable to get a specific address for)


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« Reply #1 on: 12/04/2019 12:33 pm »
Here's an Aerospace Daily article, as reprinted by the Taiwan Embassy.  Their launch site is in southern Taitung County, on the southeast coast, but you can't actually get to SSO from Taiwan because of overflight issues, so they are looking for a second launch site in Scandinavia or Australia.

https://www.taiwanembassy.org/uslax/post/21945.html

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« Reply #2 on: 12/24/2019 05:57 pm »
https://twitter.com/13ericralph31/status/1209546613045088256

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Our Hapith I launch vehicle is standing on the launch pad and getting ready for its maiden flight. The flight test will usher in a very cost-effective cutting-edge hybrid rocket technology for fast access to space.

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« Reply #3 on: 12/24/2019 05:58 pm »
From a month ago:

https://twitter.com/launchservice/status/1197104430103044096

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Before the first launch, we have another beautiful performance-Successful S2 Stage-level Qualification Hot-fire Test with Thrust Vectoring!!

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« Reply #4 on: 12/24/2019 09:33 pm »
They are using hybrid motors with N2O oxidiser and "high energy SBR solid grain" fuel. Searching for what SBR means, one possibility is Styrene Butadiene Rubber. It has a density of 0.98 kg/L. N2O has about 4% less Isp and 15% less density compared to 98% HTP (which some company that shall not be named has dumped in favour of LOX).

https://omnexus.specialchem.com/selection-guide/styrene-butadiene-rubber-sbr-guide
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2211379716303266
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Re: tiSpace-Taiwanese commercial launch company
« Reply #5 on: 12/24/2019 09:43 pm »
Some interesting videos.





« Last Edit: 12/24/2019 09:44 pm by Steven Pietrobon »
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« Reply #6 on: 12/25/2019 01:42 am »
Is this Hapith I a full orbital class rocket or a precursor as they talk only about a Hapith V on their website? [can‘t watch videos, currently being in Internet diaspora]

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« Reply #7 on: 12/25/2019 02:30 am »
I made a cursory check on Taiwan media reporting on this company. It seems that the company's site is in a land usage argument with local residents and even the government for changing land usage purposes without permission. It doesn't look like they have done any EPA either.

They mentioned that they are trying to launch a satellite by March or April next year. Given that they haven't even launched something like a sub-scale model yet.....color me as very skeptical.

I'll check on this company later when I have time.
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« Reply #8 on: 12/26/2019 04:23 am »
Is this Hapith I a full orbital class rocket or a precursor as they talk only about a Hapith V on their website? [can‘t watch videos, currently being in Internet diaspora]

I believe Hapith I is suborbital. It looks to have only the first two stages of the orbital Hapith V vehicle.
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« Reply #9 on: 12/26/2019 04:36 pm »
Feel like this article should be linked here, a good summary about TiSpace and their plans: https://spacewatch.global/2019/12/taiwans-tispace-enters-crowded-small-satellite-launch-market-with-large-ambitions/


Also the Dec 27 suborbital launch has been postponed. Apparently local residents were not happy about it, at least that's what the articles say.

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« Reply #10 on: 12/26/2019 08:22 pm »
Is this Hapith I a full orbital class rocket or a precursor as they talk only about a Hapith V on their website? [can‘t watch videos, currently being in Internet diaspora]

I believe Hapith I is suborbital. It looks to have only the first two stages of the orbital Hapith V vehicle.

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In late December 2019 TiSPACE plans to conduct a test launch its Hapith I (Saisiyat for “flying squirrel”) sounding rocket, and launch Hapith V in late 2020. Hapith means “flying squirrel in Saisiyat, the language of the indigenous peoples of Taiwan.
What kind of wastrels would dump a perfectly good booster in the ocean after just one use?

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« Reply #12 on: 02/10/2020 09:54 am »
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Maiden flight on Feb. 13 at 06:00. 晉陞太空火箭於2月13日早上六點首次發射!!
https://twitter.com/LaunchService/status/1226763816513335296
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« Reply #13 on: 02/10/2020 10:29 am »
« Last Edit: 02/10/2020 10:38 am by starbase »
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« Reply #14 on: 02/10/2020 10:32 am »
Is this orbital or sub-orbital?  There is a comment saying it is suborbital on Wikipedia:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_in_spaceflight#February

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« Reply #15 on: 02/10/2020 02:08 pm »
Is this orbital or sub-orbital?  There is a comment saying it is suborbital on Wikipedia:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_in_spaceflight#February

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Yes, it's a suborbital test flight. According to the source below it will reach an apogee of 250km.
Launch safety zones attached.

Source: https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3874170
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« Reply #16 on: 02/10/2020 06:08 pm »
With help of the image in the user guide I was able to identify their launch pad on Gmaps: https://www.google.com/maps/place/7QJ27V6R%2BR2/@22.2620625,120.8893191,495m/data=!3m2!1e3!4b1!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0x0!8m2!3d22.2620625!4d120.8900625

That has been fairly obvious, but...
It's not a "launch pad" as much as a proposed launch site.
And we heard that there are government objections to even proposing such a repurposing of that land.
This was for orbital.  IIRC the launch site for the suborbital test is elsewhere.  Was it on the north or northwest coast?
What kind of wastrels would dump a perfectly good booster in the ocean after just one use?

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« Reply #17 on: 02/11/2020 03:25 am »
Some screen grabs from the twitter video.
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« Reply #18 on: 02/11/2020 03:54 pm »
With help of the image in the user guide I was able to identify their launch pad on Gmaps: https://www.google.com/maps/place/7QJ27V6R%2BR2/@22.2620625,120.8893191,495m/data=!3m2!1e3!4b1!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0x0!8m2!3d22.2620625!4d120.8900625

That has been fairly obvious, but...
It's not a "launch pad" as much as a proposed launch site.
And we heard that there are government objections to even proposing such a repurposing of that land.
This was for orbital.  IIRC the launch site for the suborbital test is elsewhere.  Was it on the north or northwest coast?


This article (also linked above) mentions launch of Hapith I will happen "outside the coastal village of Nantian in Taitung County", Taitung County lies on the South-East coast: https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3874170

Also: "The chairman of TiSPACE, Chen Yen-sen, (陳彥升) revealed his plan to build a permanent launch base in Nantian focused on the launch of commercial communications satellites." So I assume the orbital launch site for Hapith V is the same as for this suborbital flight of Hapith I.
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« Reply #19 on: 02/11/2020 04:02 pm »
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The rocket is to be launched at 6am in the county’s Nantian Village (南田), home to a community of Aboriginal Paiwan people, TiSPACE said, adding that the ceremony would include a traditional Paiwan blessing.

Source: http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/taiwan/archives/2020/02/11/2003730762
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« Reply #20 on: 02/12/2020 08:36 pm »
Hapith I (Hapith-I)

Maiden flight on Feb. 13rd at 06:00. 晉陞太空火箭於2月13日早上六點首次發射!!

Maybe suborbital?
http://baijiahao.baidu.com/s?id=1648356346755455092

Feb. 13rd at 06:00 - Taiwan time? That would be in 24 minutes from now.
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« Reply #21 on: 02/12/2020 11:42 pm »
https://twitter.com/LaunchService/status/1227753558566588418
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Due to heavy rain and wind, TiSPACE terminate the first launch but the process of ignition was completed. The date of next launch will be announced shortly.
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« Reply #22 on: 02/13/2020 04:54 am »
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Due to heavy rain and wind, TiSPACE terminate the first launch but the process of ignition was completed. The date of next launch will be announced shortly.
Can anyone interpret this tweet?
Could they have had a weather hold and converted the launch attempt into a successful static fire?
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What kind of wastrels would dump a perfectly good booster in the ocean after just one use?

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« Reply #23 on: 06/04/2020 07:19 pm »
Video of Hapith I static fire in February.



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Despite torrential rain, I was thrilled to see TiSpace
@LaunchService's HAPITH-I rocket test launch this morning in Taitung. Though aborted due to weather we still saw an ignition sequence. This is an indigenous Taiwan rocket designed to launch from TW!
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« Reply #24 on: 06/04/2020 07:27 pm »
Last news was that maiden flight has been rescheduled for June.

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Taiwanese space launch company Tispace has rescheduled its first flight to June in response to the #COVID19 crisis while continuing development work and preparing for production.

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Taiwanese space launch company Tispace has rescheduled its first flight to June in response to the COVID-19 crisis while continuing development work and preparing for production.

Tispace is looking at offering its technology for short-notice, flexible launches to the U.S. Defense Department.

The June mission, a suborbital shot, will demonstrate the company’s hybrid-engine technology, the key to Tispace’s ambition for reducing launch costs by 90% from the already low levels of other new companies.

The production rocket—the expendable, three-stage Hapith V—is intended to deliver up to 390 kg (860 lb.) to a low-inclination orbit of 600-700 km (370-430 mi.). Tispace said last year the price would be would be $6-7 million a shot, well above the undisclosed cost.

In October 2019 the Hapith 1 demonstrator was due to fly in the following month. The schedule slipped but the company was ready to go on Feb. 13—until the appearance of severe high-altitude wind shear conditions at a base in southeastern Taiwan prevented the launch, said Yen-Sen Chen, the company’s founder and CEO.

“After that, we were facing the coronavirus pandemic situation that has further delayed our launch plans,” Chen said, referring to the problem of crewmembers being unable to work close to each other. “So we are currently aiming for restarting our launch campaigns by June as the conditions for crowd gathering would become less of a public concern.”

Meanwhile, the company is preparing for manufacturing. Its initial production facility, near Taipei, is intended to have a capacity of 12 rockets a year.

The company will also be “performing more validation tests of the propulsion system and getting ready for a tight launch schedule once the activities resume,” Chen said. In October, Tispace was planning monthly Hapith V launches in 2021.

Chen added: “We are also looking into the prospects of entering the DARPA Challenge for fast access to space.”

There is no such DARPA Challenge right now, though the U.S. agency is looking at how to follow up a two-year competition that it ran until last month for demonstrating short-notice space launches. No one won the offered prizes for launching within weeks of notification, then again only days later from a different location.

Tispace engines consist of a pressurized carbon-fiber tank feeding oxidizer (nitrous oxide) to a block of special hard rubber that acts as fuel. The fuel is encased in carbon fiber. There is almost no machinery.

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« Reply #25 on: 07/13/2020 12:43 pm »
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花2個月打造出來的機動式發射系統,已經完成全系統功能測試及發射模擬驗證。

It took us 2 months to build a mobile launch system that had completed the system testing with launch operation sequence simulation verified.
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« Reply #26 on: 01/07/2021 07:15 am »
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="zh" dir="ltr">歡迎達仁鄉長帶領鄉親參訪台灣晉陞太空,共同期許台灣太空產業的發展盡早實現。Welcome Daren villagers&#39; visit, hope Space Industry of Taiwan will be realized shortly. pic.twitter.com/yaCEk9lrD5</p>&mdash; TiSPACE (@LaunchService) September 22, 2020 <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Hello, guys. I am from Taiwan.
Here is a new video from TiSPACE.
Something new launch vehicle at first pic.

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« Reply #27 on: 04/16/2021 12:37 pm »
Hapith not launching from Taiwan anymore.

https://twitter.com/Cosmic_Penguin/status/1382889856460750849
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« Reply #28 on: 04/16/2021 02:10 pm »
Hapith not launching from Taiwan anymore.

https://twitter.com/Cosmic_Penguin/status/1382889856460750849

Where can it possibly be launched then? Japan, Australia or somwhere else?

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« Reply #29 on: 04/16/2021 02:21 pm »
Hapith not launching from Taiwan anymore.

https://twitter.com/Cosmic_Penguin/status/1382889856460750849

Where can it possibly be launched then? Japan, Australia or somwhere else?

tiSpace earlier mentioned launch sites in Australia and Norway for orbital launches to SSO.

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« Reply #30 on: 04/17/2021 09:51 am »
Hapith not launching from Taiwan anymore.

https://twitter.com/Cosmic_Penguin/status/1382889856460750849

Where can it possibly be launched then? Japan, Australia or somwhere else?

tiSpace earlier mentioned launch sites in Australia and Norway for orbital launches to SSO.

Wow, that's almost depressing to hear.
Their website https://tispace.com/about.html says that they have a launch site in southeast Taiwan, so it's a regulatory problem.

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« Reply #31 on: 05/31/2021 12:52 pm »
Launch site issues force rocket firm overseas: sources

Some Taiwan Innovative Space(TiSPACE) employees departed for Australia in February to complete quarantine and preparatory procedures prior to trial launches this month, a person said on condition of anonymity.

Australian space company Southern Launch would help Taiwan Innovative Space launch its sounding rocket at a site near Adelaide, South Australia, another person with knowledge of the matter said.



https://www.taipeitimes.com/News/taiwan/archives/2021/05/07/2003756994

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« Reply #32 on: 05/31/2021 02:12 pm »
Launch site issues force rocket firm overseas: sources

Some Taiwan Innovative Space(TiSPACE) employees departed for Australia in February to complete quarantine and preparatory procedures prior to trial launches this month, a person said on condition of anonymity.

Australian space company Southern Launch would help Taiwan Innovative Space launch its sounding rocket at a site near Adelaide, South Australia, another person with knowledge of the matter said.



https://www.taipeitimes.com/News/taiwan/archives/2021/05/07/2003756994

Am I the only one that finds the idea of a launch before the end of June a bit of an overestimation?

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« Reply #33 on: 05/31/2021 02:56 pm »
Launch site issues force rocket firm overseas: sources

Some Taiwan Innovative Space(TiSPACE) employees departed for Australia in February to complete quarantine and preparatory procedures prior to trial launches this month, a person said on condition of anonymity.

Australian space company Southern Launch would help Taiwan Innovative Space launch its sounding rocket at a site near Adelaide, South Australia, another person with knowledge of the matter said.



https://www.taipeitimes.com/News/taiwan/archives/2021/05/07/2003756994

IRIS-A and NUTSAT are to be launched by Momentus on Vigoride buses, so based on latest news they won't be launched in July.

The sooner is December on Transporter 3.

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« Reply #34 on: 06/01/2021 07:35 am »
Am I the only one that finds the idea of a launch before the end of June a bit of an overestimation?

The article says end of July.

"The NSPO and Taiwan Innovative Space revised their contract, requiring the company to launch the payload at an approved overseas site by the end of July, Yu said. "

The Southern Launch website is listing a [name withheld] mission in the first quarter of 2022, which might be this mission.

https://southernlaunch.space/upcominglaunches

IRIS-A and NUTSAT are to be launched by Momentus on Vigoride buses, so based on latest news they won't be launched in July.

This is for a suborbital launch to 150 km, possibly by Hapith I, carrying an ionosphere scintillation experiment.

"The mission is to carry an ionosphere scintillation package developed by National Central University (NCU)."
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« Reply #35 on: 06/01/2021 08:22 am »
IRIS-A and NUTSAT are to be launched by Momentus on Vigoride buses, so based on latest news they won't be launched in July.

This is for a suborbital launch to 150 km, possibly by Hapith I, carrying an ionosphere scintillation experiment.

"The mission is to carry an ionosphere scintillation package developed by National Central University (NCU)."

 ??? I wasn't speaking of that : my words were about the satellites mentioned on the right side of the image.

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« Reply #36 on: 08/23/2021 03:30 am »
It's official: Via a joint media release this morning, the Federal Government has given regulatory approval for a commercial rocket launch to take place later this year from a newly licensed launch facility in South Australia.

Taiwanese company tiSPACE will conduct a test flight of its Hapith I – a 10m, two-stage, sub-orbital rocket – from the Whalers Way Orbital Launch Complex, which is operated by Southern Launch.

The Whalers Way launch site will initially support a test launch campaign for up to three suborbital rockets. Data will be collected during those launches to measure environmental impacts to assist in determining the site’s viability as a possible launch location for future suborbital and orbital launches.

(Cross-posted from: https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=46926)
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going to land, and it could be dangerous sitting under them as they fly overhead.

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« Reply #37 on: 08/26/2021 06:49 am »
The Guardian - First commercial rocket due to be launched from Australia later in 2021
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2021/aug/24/first-commercial-rocket-due-to-be-launched-from-australia-later-in-2021
"Taiwanese company TiSPACE is planning three launches from South Australia in 2021, amid hopes the event will provide a boost to Australia’s space industry"

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« Reply #38 on: 08/30/2021 06:22 am »
Excerpt from: https://www.spatialsource.com.au/space/taiwans-tispace-to-launch-from-whalers-way 
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tiSPACE is currently considering shifting manufacturing of complete rocket systems from Taiwan to Australia.

“We have devoted ourselves in the past 5 years in the technical developments of the most cost-effective launch capabilities,” said tiSPACE’s CEO, Yen-Sen Chen.

“But we will not stop at launch. Instead, our launch capabilities are our keys for opening the tremendous opportunities in commercial applications in space.”

“And, only through versatile launches and space applications, can tiSPACE be among the key players in the new frontier of the global commercial space market.”

Southern Launch has been given approval to conduct three sub-orbital test launches by the end of 2021 from the Whalers Way site.

Data collected will be used to measure environmental impacts to assist in determining the site’s viability as a location for future launches.
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With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine - however, this is not necessarily a good idea. It is hard to be sure where they are
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« Reply #39 on: 08/31/2021 07:43 am »
This article appears to lay out TiSPACE's plans going forwards:  http://english.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2021/08/27/2021082700525.html

Of particular mention:
1. "Hapith" means "flying squirrel" in a Taiwanese Indigenous language
2. James Brown, chief executive of the Space Industry Association of Australia, is quoted as saying the rocket is
-  About 10 meters high
-  It's got two stages
-  It'll be launched from South Australia out over the ocean and it will get to about 100 kilometers high.
-  It is basically testing Taiwanese hybrid engine technology, and if that works well, if it is all safe, if it’s all reliable, then the plan is for this company to come back and launch a bigger rocket (Hapith V presumably) that is about 20 meters high that can carry up to 400 kilograms worth of satellite payload into space.
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« Reply #40 on: 09/01/2021 02:32 pm »
According to this article (https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/4275684) the Hapith I rocket will perform 3 launches before the end of 2021, that implies that all the three launches from Whalers Bay will be Hapith I ones. However they cite TiSPACE as a source but on the news section of their website I still find references about just one planned launch and not three, so this could be just a misunderstanding.

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« Reply #41 on: 09/02/2021 01:35 am »
According to this article (https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/4275684) the Hapith I rocket will perform 3 launches before the end of 2021, that implies that all the three launches from Whalers Bay will be Hapith I ones. However they cite TiSPACE as a source but on the news section of their website I still find references about just one planned launch and not three, so this could be just a misunderstanding.

I suspect the real truth is that they don't know yet: they'll launch the first one or two and see what happens before making any decision on the third.

I'm sure we'd all like to see them be successful with their first ever major launch campaign (and given the amount of money and patience they've put in, they certainly deserve it), but we all know things don't always work out that way.  Plan for the best, prepare for the worst.
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« Reply #42 on: 09/07/2021 12:02 am »
https://twitter.com/SouthernLaunch/status/1435027755217801217

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« Reply #43 on: 09/07/2021 12:04 am »
Launch window: Thursday, 9 Sept 2021 - Thursday, 23 Sept 2021

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« Reply #44 on: 09/07/2021 07:35 am »
That was fast! Here's the image from their tweet, showing Hapith I at the Whaler's Way launch site (you can see the word "Southern" in the background).
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« Reply #45 on: 09/07/2021 07:45 am »
Here's another picture from the Southern Launch website.
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« Reply #46 on: 09/07/2021 02:27 pm »

Document where the restrictions for the launching are mentioned.


An area of water south of D’Anville Bay and Fishery Bay. Bounded on the West side by a line between the shore at (34˚ 53ʹ 27.0ʺS, 135˚ 36ʹ 12.2ʺE) to (34˚ 56ʹ 15.4ʺS, 135˚ 33ʹ 32.8ʺE) and on to (35˚ 00ʹ 00.0ʺS, 135°34'7.00ʺE). On the East side by a line between the shore at (34°55'24.37"S 135°41'17.95"E) to (34˚ 56ʹ 30.0ʺS 135˚ 43ʹ 22.3ʺE) and on to (35˚ 00ʹ 00.0ʺS 135˚ 135°45'6.87ʺE).

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« Reply #47 on: 09/07/2021 02:39 pm »
I placed the coordinates in google earth and organized them in such a way that an exclusion area is created, this is what I got, but maybe it does not coincide with the launching zone.  ;D
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« Reply #48 on: 09/08/2021 10:49 pm »
Launch date update. Now Friday, 10 September from 6 am to 6 pm local (Thursday, 9 September 20:30 UTC to Friday, 10 September 8:30 UTC).
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« Reply #49 on: 09/08/2021 10:53 pm »
I placed the coordinates in google earth and organized them in such a way that an exclusion area is created, this is what I got, but maybe it does not coincide with the launching zone.  ;D

This is what the exclusion zone is supposed to look like according to the press kit. I've swapped the colours to make the area more visible.
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« Reply #50 on: 09/08/2021 11:04 pm »
A revised press kit has been posted. The only difference I could find is in the Public Viewing section, second paragraph where "Wanna lockout" was corrected to "Wanna lookout".
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« Reply #51 on: 09/08/2021 11:17 pm »
The Welcome To Country ceremony has been performed. Should be good to go!

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« Reply #52 on: 09/08/2021 11:24 pm »
News article.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-07/whalers-way-first-commercial-rocket-lift-off/100440154

"The Australian Space Agency has announced the first commercial rocket from Whalers Way in South Australia will now lift off this Friday, a day later than originally announced, but some locals are not happy about it."

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« Reply #53 on: 09/09/2021 05:10 am »
News article.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-07/whalers-way-first-commercial-rocket-lift-off/100440154

"The Australian Space Agency has announced the first commercial rocket from Whalers Way in South Australia will now lift off this Friday, a day later than originally announced, but some locals are not happy about it."

They'll launch when (a) they're ready and (b) the weather conditions (especially winds aloft) are right, so no surprises there!  Here's hoping for a successful flight - with a bonus if the locals don't even notice.
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« Reply #54 on: 09/09/2021 08:07 am »
Wind speeds. Looks like best is late evening UTC (early morning local).

https://twitter.com/SouthernLaunch/status/1435781181820203017

"LAUNCH WINDOW HAS OPENED!

@SouthernLaunch
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« Reply #55 on: 09/09/2021 11:10 am »
Launch window opens at 20:30 UTC (Sep. 9)

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« Reply #56 on: 09/09/2021 03:30 pm »
Will this launch be streamed and if so where can I watch it?

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Will this launch be streamed and if so where can I watch it?
No broadcast, Southern Launch said that since it was a test launch there would be no live broadcast.
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« Reply #58 on: 09/09/2021 10:20 pm »
No broadcast, Southern Launch said that since it was a test launch there would be no live broadcast.

I think that's a poor excuse. Southern Launch livestreamed the TED-01 launches from Koonibba. Have some courage like Firefly did with their first launch! Anyway, the window has been open for the last one and three quarter hours with no news yet.
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« Reply #59 on: 09/10/2021 01:26 am »
Let the hyperbole begin! The last rocket launched from Australia into space was HIFiRE 4 on 30 June 2017 using a VSB-30 from Woomera.

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« Reply #60 on: 09/10/2021 01:27 am »
No launch yet.

"Hey Everyone! Our teams are working towards launching the Hapith I today still 🙂 We don't have a live feed of the event, due to the nature of this being a test launch. We will update the outcome of today as soon as possible. Thank you for your patience!"

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« Reply #61 on: 09/10/2021 04:07 am »
It got ugly this morning.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-10/police-called-over-protesters-at-whalers-way-rocket-launch/100446940

"Protesters and security guards have clashed at the site of a rocket launch on South Australia's Eyre Peninsula this morning."
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« Reply #62 on: 09/10/2021 04:44 am »
It got ugly this morning.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-10/police-called-over-protesters-at-whalers-way-rocket-launch/100446940

"Protesters and security guards have clashed at the site of a rocket launch on South Australia's Eyre Peninsula this morning."

Nasty.. I guess that's only to be expected when you make the mistake of telling people what you're up to.  :(
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« Reply #63 on: 09/10/2021 07:47 am »
Scrub!

"LAUNCH UPDATE: 10 SEPTEMBER 2021
Due to strong upper winds at WWOLC, the Hapith I launch has been postponed for Friday, September 10th.
Southern Launch and TiSPACE will determine a revised test launch date with the Australian Space Agency."

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« Reply #64 on: 09/10/2021 07:55 am »
A bit more detail from LinkedIn:

LAUNCH UPDATE: 10 SEPTEMBER 2021

Unfortunately, due to strong upper winds the Southern Launch and TiSPACE teams, as well as the Australian Space Agency, came to the decision to postpone the Hapith I launch that was schedule for today (Friday, September 10th). Our teams monitored the winds using radiosondes, in conjunction with information provided from the Bureau of Meteorology, and determined that it would be unsafe to launch in the wind conditions monitored throughout the day.

Southern Launch and TiSPACE will determine a revised test launch date with the Australian Space Agency.

Southern Launch CEO Lloyd Damp said,
“Space is hard and that’s why we’re taking an incremental approach to developing an Australian space launch capability. We had planned and trained for this potential outcome, facing an external factor like weather which would result in our teams needing to postpone the launch. The team are disappointed that we were unable to make history today for the Australian space industry, however our launch window is still open until Thursday, September 23rd, so we will be back on the range to attempt another launch.”

#SafetyFirst #Weather #WWOLC


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The launch window in UTC time is as follows:
Tuesday, September 14 from 20:30 UTC to 08:30 UTC on Wednesday, September 15.https://twitter.com/SouthernLaunch/status/1437640632848171018
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« Reply #67 on: 09/14/2021 08:55 am »
I'll be at the Australian Space Forum tomorrow, so I won't be able to cover the launch, but I might be able to get some information from the Southern Launch stand.
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« Reply #68 on: 09/14/2021 10:55 pm »
I'll be at the Australian Space Forum tomorrow, so I won't be able to cover the launch, but I might be able to get some information from the Southern Launch stand.

Interesting timing, isn't it?  I imagine the only SL folks you'll find on their stand will be those sad that they're not at Whalers Way!  Maybe there'll be a big "steal the show" announcement?!?

For obvious reasons I can't make it to this one, Steven, but keep us posted!
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« Reply #69 on: 09/15/2021 09:36 am »
Here's the twitter update.

"LAUNCH UPDATE

At 2:18 pm (ACST) Southern Launch and TiSPACE countdown was halted just before lift-off, stopping the launch sequence. During the final steps prior to lift-off, one of the systems did not come online. As per safety protocols, the rocket was put into a safe state."

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« Reply #70 on: 09/15/2021 09:43 am »
OK, it was a pretty exciting day at the Space Forum. Here's the photo of the Southern Launch stand with the nice "Gone for launch" notice. They initially tried to launch at 10 am, but scrubbed due to high altitude winds. The next attempt was at 2 pm, then 2:13 pm, and then 2:18 pm as indicated by the tweet. There was some one there who was on the Southern Launch WhatsApp where updates were being received (unfortunately not available to us plebs). First the transporter erector was retracted. The next message was "T-1 minute", but the minute passed and finally "Launch aborted", followed by "Updates to follow" but that was the last message I saw.
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« Reply #71 on: 09/16/2021 07:59 am »
Seems like they tried again today, but the vehicle caught fire at ignition. From their website

"VS01 Launch Attempt Update
At 4:09 pm (ACST) on 16 September 2021 Southern Launch and TiSPACE attempted to launch the Hapith I from the Whalers Way Orbital Launch Complex.
During ignition, the launch vehicle suffered an internal fault causing the vehicle to catch alight. The fire was contained to the launch pad and was attended to by the South Australian Country Fire Service, who were onsite.
No people or the environment were put at risk."

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« Reply #72 on: 09/16/2021 08:06 am »
We missed this update on their Facebook page.

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2957521471173642&id=2193973637528433

"LAUNCH UPDATE: 16 SEPTEMBER 2021
Here we go again!

The rocket has been given the all clear by the team for launch.
The Australian Space Agency has announced a launch window for today, closing at 6.30pm (ACST).

Stay tuned for updates"
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« Reply #73 on: 09/16/2021 01:27 pm »
My goodness, a surprise launch since it was not announced on Twitter and a surprise this anomaly, I hope the rocket still has a chance to fly.  :-\
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« Reply #74 on: 09/16/2021 11:02 pm »
Looks like the vehicle exploded on the pad. TiSpace have two other rockets there, but it may take some time to find out what went wrong and to repair the pad.

"Rocket catches fire during latest lift-off attempt at Whalers Way launch site on Eyre Peninsula
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A witness, who did not want to be named, told the ABC they saw black smoke coming out from the rocket stand.

"And a few moments later there was a large bang and some white smoke went up and then later some steam," they said.

"… There was certainly quite a bit of noise and a lot of smoke."

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-16/whalers-way-rocket-lift-off-delayed-by-launch-vehicle-fire/100468692

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« Reply #75 on: 09/16/2021 11:50 pm »
Looks like the vehicle exploded on the pad. TiSpace have two other rockets there, but it may take some time to find out what went wrong and to repair the pad.

The pad itself is basically just a concrete slab, so other than some scorch marks there should be no hassles there.  Their biggest headache would be if they lost their Nitrous isotainer.. but I think there'd be a much bigger boom if they did.

Finding out what went wrong will be harder.  Bummer.  :'(
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« Reply #76 on: 09/18/2021 07:48 pm »
Looks like the vehicle exploded on the pad. TiSpace have two other rockets there, but it may take some time to find out what went wrong and to repair the pad.

"Rocket catches fire during latest lift-off attempt at Whalers Way launch site on Eyre Peninsula
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A witness, who did not want to be named, told the ABC they saw black smoke coming out from the rocket stand.

"And a few moments later there was a large bang and some white smoke went up and then later some steam," they said.

"… There was certainly quite a bit of noise and a lot of smoke."

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-16/whalers-way-rocket-lift-off-delayed-by-launch-vehicle-fire/100468692

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« Reply #79 on: 09/22/2021 03:52 am »
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After inspection of the Hapith I vehicle, post the September 16th launch attempt, Southern Launch and TiSPACE have concluded that we won’t continue with any further launch attempts of this particular vehicle.

Lloyd Damp, Southern Launch CEO said,
“This test launch vehicle may not have taken Australia to space, however it has provided our teams with valuable data and insights, which will lead TiSPACE in refining their launch vehicle capabilities further, and Southern Launch with the vibration and noise data needed to support the major development of the Whalers Way Orbital Launch Complex.

We thank the Australian Space Agency, the Government of South Australia, and the emergency services for their support of the VS01 test launch campaign. And, we thank all of the businesses and individuals who went above and beyond in their assistance to our teams during the test launch.”



More details to come on VS02 and VS03 test launch campaigns, proposed to be completed by 31 December 2021.

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« Reply #80 on: 09/22/2021 05:21 am »
"After inspection of the Hapith I vehicle, post the September 16th launch attempt, @SouthernLaunch and TiSPACE @LaunchService have concluded that we won’t continue with any further launch attempts of this particular vehicle."

That's a bit of an understatement, as the vehicle exploded (as heard by witnesses) and is now in bits and pieces! What I would like to know is how damaged the launch stand is. Here's a video of it on the pad before the launch attempt.

https://player.vimeo.com/video/611303672

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« Reply #81 on: 09/23/2021 01:59 am »
"After inspection of the Hapith I vehicle, post the September 16th launch attempt, @SouthernLaunch and TiSPACE @LaunchService have concluded that we won’t continue with any further launch attempts of this particular vehicle."

That's a bit of an understatement, as the vehicle exploded (as heard by witnesses) and is now in bits and pieces! What I would like to know is how damaged the launch stand is.

And I think that's a bit of an overstatement... since I have it on good authority that the vehicle didn't "explode" - what witnesses heard (not that there would have been any at close range anyway) was most likely the emergency release of nitrous from the vehicle which would have only added to the fire.  Serious damage to the launch stand seems unlikely because, well, a rocket launch usually creates a lot more fire than that!  My reading between the lines is that the VS01 vehicle is fried beyond repair - not "in bits and pieces".

As https://www.southernlaunch.space/news/vs01-launch-updates says (in a line missing from Conexion Espacial's previous quote):
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The Southern Launch team are now underway preparing for the next two proposed test launch campaigns from the Whalers Way Orbital Launch Complex.

More details to come on VS02 and VS03 test launch campaigns, proposed to be completed by 31 December 2021.
{emphasis mine} AFAIK, they could have been ready to go with the "spare" vehicle (VS02) almost immediately, but ASA's knee-jerk over-reaction halted any chance of that.

Please don't forget that this is a test of a completely new, untried, launch system and, much like the first launch failures we've seen from RocketLab, Firefly, SpaceX and many others, I'm guessing that the teams expectations for this one were pretty low - also explaining why there no Livestream of the event.

Hopefully they'll get approval to try again soon - with VS02 this time.
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« Reply #82 on: 09/23/2021 04:57 am »

I also think the same, maybe the rocket did not explode as we all think but the fire caused a lot of damage and left the vehicle useless, I think that if perhaps, the vehicle had exploded completely, there would be more news reports or things like that, photos, videos or something as it usually happens with launches that end badly.


Regarding VS02 I would also think that it could be soon in the launch area, I understand that TiSPACE has "several" vehicles ready, but until they investigate what caused this incident, we will not see a vehicle on the launch pad.
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« Reply #83 on: 10/07/2021 10:37 am »
Looks good!  Tiny update:  As announced, Hapith V launch from Southern Launch's facility in South Australia was supposed to happen before 31 December this year, but is currently held up awaiting approvals from various powers that be.

Was that Hapith V, or a second attempt at Hapith I?

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« Reply #84 on: 10/07/2021 08:07 pm »
Second Hapith I launch attempt still planned for 2021. Hapith V “around the third quarter of 2022”, which translates to NET late 2023 IMHO.

https://spacenews.com/taiwans-tispace-to-try-again-after-launch-attempt-ends-in-flames/
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« Reply #85 on: 10/07/2021 10:41 pm »
Looks good!  Tiny update:  As announced, Hapith V launch from Southern Launch's facility in South Australia was supposed to happen before 31 December this year, but is currently held up awaiting approvals from various powers that be.

Was that Hapith V, or a second attempt at Hapith I?

VS02 = Hapith I, VS03 = Hapith V - both (maybe) before their permit expires

Source for VS03 = Hapith V?

Looks to have been hopeful rumour, based on a successful launch campaign with Hapith I - my bad.  Plans change..

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« Reply #86 on: 10/08/2021 06:22 am »
Many thanks to SpaceNews for getting info on what happened at the launch attempt! Confirmation that the vehicle did not explode.

"TiSPACE CEO Yen-Sen Chen told SpaceNews via email that Hapith-I caught fire and fell on the starboard side of the launch pad. The rocket’s first-stage tank ruptured when it fell but the rocket did not explode. Tank pressure remained at about 9 bar after the rupture, which Chen said may have been “caused by structural damage as a result of pipework breaking apart when the rocket fell.”"

The fix appears to be simple.

"The damaged rocket won’t be used again, but Chen said Hapith-I launch campaigns will resume by the end of the year after making a “minor material change” to two remaining rockets."
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« Reply #87 on: 12/08/2021 10:06 pm »
From Southern Launch's LinkedIn:  Thank you for hosting us at your new facilities YenSen Chen and the team from ATSpace Pty Ltd. Looking forward to seeing many more rockets populate your new facility in the months and years to come!

Located in Wingfield, South Australia, ATSpace is designing and manufacturing the world's best and first commercial 3D printed hybrid rocket engine combustion chamber.  Printing in a single piece reduces costs and enables the highest-performance regenerative cooling design.  The Lelien engine leverages 3D printing technology with high-performance copper alloy and uses ultra safe and lightweight hybrid propellant to get to orbit... {Emphasis mine}
https://www.linkedin.com/company/hybrid-rocket-atspace/about/

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https://atspace.com.au/
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« Reply #88 on: 12/15/2021 07:03 am »
It seems their next attempt is today:

https://orbit.ing-now.com/
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(NET) Hapith I • Test Flight
Whalers Way Orbital Launch Complex - Launch Site A, Unnamed Road, Sleaford SA 5607, Australien
2021-12-15T20:30:00Z

A TiSPACE Hapith I (Flying Squirrel - u98dbu9f20) rocket will launch on its first suborbital test flight (designated VS01) for Taiwan's National Space Organisation (NSPO). It will carry an Ionosphere Scintillation Package (ISP) payload to an apogee altitude of 250 kilometers. Hapith I consists basically of the second and third stage of the orbital Hapith V. Hapith is powered by clusters of composite-case hybrid motors using N2O as oxidiser and high energy SBR (Styrene Butadiene Rubber) solid grain fuel. The main stage of Hapith I uses four motors and the upper stage a single motor.-Scrubbed on Feb. 12 2020. Delayed from June 2020. Scrubbed on Sep. 9 and 14.Possible webcast: youtube.com/channel/UCryQ...[/qoute]
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« Reply #89 on: 12/16/2021 12:20 am »
It seems their next attempt is today:

Maybe.  If it is, they aren't saying.. and it's certainly not going to be webcast.  :-X
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« Reply #90 on: 12/16/2021 06:32 am »
On the Southern Launch website there is still a generic "Q4 2021" as date for the next Hapith I launch attempt.

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« Reply #91 on: 12/16/2021 09:31 pm »
On the Southern Launch website there is still a generic "Q4 2021" as date for the next Hapith I launch attempt.

Yes.. that's because the Hapith I Launch Permit expires December 31st.  I believe the team has gone home for Christmas with their families and will be back next year to (with the ASA's permission) try again.

With all things rocket launch, if you don't want to play the long game you might as well pick up your bat and ball and go home.
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« Reply #92 on: 12/24/2021 05:16 am »
Here's a bit more info from ATSpace from LinkedIn:

We are very excited to announce the grand opening of ATSpace Pty Ltd new office headquarter at 27 Johansson Rd, Wingfield SA 5013, Australia.
 
The new office is just 12km from Adelaide CBD and Adelaide airport, 10km from Adelaide Convention Centre, and 10km~13km from the Semaphore Beach and Grange Beach.

The new office includes two large warehouses for manufacturing, assembly, and R&D. It is in a brand-new Aerospace Defense Level 3 industrial park where the team can focus on creating some of the most exciting Hybrid-Rocket technologies and Space Launch Vehicles. We aim to grow the Space Industry in Australia to a whole new level providing dedicated and responsive space launch services.


I'll see if I can drop in to see them next time I'm in Adelaide..
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« Reply #94 on: 01/31/2022 10:07 am »
SouthernLaunch and TiSPACE have today released footage from our maiden test launch attempt of the Hapith I launch vehicle from the Whalers Way Orbital Launch Complex.

 https://t.co/fdrydDpIJn

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« Reply #95 on: 01/31/2022 01:48 pm »
SouthernLaunch and TiSPACE have today released footage from our maiden test launch attempt of the Hapith I launch vehicle from the Whalers Way Orbital Launch Complex.

 https://t.co/fdrydDpIJn
On their Twitter account they have said that they expect to live stream the next launch attempt.

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« Reply #96 on: 02/27/2022 10:35 pm »
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The newest Southern Launch recruits got to check out the rockets that will be a part of the next two proposed launches from the Whalers Way Orbital Launch Complex.
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« Reply #97 on: 03/27/2022 11:51 pm »
I'm happy to report the TiSpace team are back in the country and preparing for another try.  The biggest hold-up appears to be renewal of their launch permits by the Australian Space Agency.

Apparently one of the reasons they chose to launch from South Australia was the risk that a test launch from Taiwan might be mis-read by Mainland China!
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« Reply #98 on: 04/04/2022 11:25 pm »
Not sure why the delay until now, but this was just posted on LinkedIn:

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Advanced Rocket Technologies at ATSpace — Rocket technology advancement is an important aspect of ATSpace’s business development. As we are striving for the launch campaigns of our truly cost-effective hybrid rocket launch vehicle systems, new technologies are continuously been demonstrated in parallel.

On 21 Dec 2021, the first long burn time regeneratively cooled hybrid rocket engine demontrator was successfully tested in QLD for 120 sec. Without nozzle erosion, the overall high performance of this 1000kgf class engine has been realized. Stay tuned…..
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As an important step in delivering the performance of ATSpace’s hybrid rocket technology of Australia, we have conducted our first landmark hot fire test for one of the first-stage engines with maximum thrust over 130 kN and burn time of 72 sec on 4 February 2022. This series of engine qualification tests will continue as part of our launch vehicle development efforts. Join us to enjoy the exciting journey into space.
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« Reply #100 on: 05/25/2022 10:53 pm »
At an AIAA Adelaide Section presentation last night by Reg Carruthers from DefenceSA, he mentioned that the next AtSpace launch from Whalers Way is "midyear" and "in the next few months".
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« Reply #101 on: 05/25/2022 11:23 pm »
At an AIAA Adelaide Section presentation last night by Reg Carruthers from DefenceSA, he mentioned that the next AtSpace launch from Whalers Way is "midyear" and "in the next few months".

They've been ready to go for a long time now.. so presumably they're waiting on approvals??  The red tape on all this is extraordinary!

Can't wait.
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« Reply #102 on: 07/19/2022 08:26 pm »
In fact (continuing the placement of certain threads between here and the Commercial subforum sparked by PLD's move) the very title of this thread, for instance, suggests this should go into Commercial too
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« Reply #103 on: 08/15/2022 01:23 am »
Posted recently on LinkedIn:
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  Founder/Director and CEO Dr YenSen Chen showcased a range of items including a new water deluge pipe system designed by ATSpace engineers and manufactured by Contract Engineering SA, an ablative shield for a vertical launcher, and their large composite winding machine – just to name a few. Dr Chen also highlighted that the company’s current suppliers are about 50% Australian and 50% international, but they are expecting this figure to grow to around 80% Australian by the end of 2022!

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« Reply #104 on: 02/28/2023 05:58 am »
Righto.. weeks have passed with no news since ATSpace's VS02/03 aborted launch attempt last December.

Anyone know what's happening with these guys?
 
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« Reply #105 on: 06/10/2023 12:14 am »
Was wondering what's going on with TiSpace/ATSpace as well and searched for some more recent news. Their founder wrote this on Linkedin at the end of last year :

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As 2023 is approaching, it’s time for ATSPACE to reflect what we have accomplished in 2022. To mention a few, we have demonstrated the performance of our team, our hybrid rocket engines and the launch vehicle systems as described below:
1. Performed a 140KN maximum thrust 72 sec hot fire test for a single first-stage engine of Kestrel V orbital launch vehicle;
2. Performed a 10KN thrust 120 sec with an innovative regenerative cooled nozzle for the upper-stage engine of Kestrel V;
3. Performed a series of successful stage-level four-engine wet dress rehearsals and full-burn vertical hot-fire tests for the Kestrel I suborbital launch vehicle;
4. Conducted professional launch campaigns of Kestrel I near the year end, which will be continued in early 2023;
5. initiated a technology demonstration sounding rocket program for fast turnaround in building up flight heritage;
6. Preparing for the first-stage propulsion verification tests of the Kestrel V orbital launch vehicle — aiming at its maiden flight in 2023.
Overall, ATSPACE has built a firm technical foundation in 2022 for space exploration. And, with the collaborations with our partners and assistance from all stakeholders, we shall complete the last mile in our exciting journey into space from Australia. Stay tuned…..

Apart from that, seems like the company still exists and for some reason, the US defence industry delegation to Taiwan visited them last month.
https://ec.ltn.com.tw/article/breakingnews/4287320
https://www.us-taiwan.org/2023-us-taiwan-business-council-defense-delegation-to-taiwan/

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Re: tiSpace-Taiwanese commercial launch company
« Reply #106 on: 06/10/2023 07:31 am »
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... what we have accomplished in 2022 ...

5. initiated a technology demonstration sounding rocket program for fast turnaround in building up flight heritage;
6. Preparing for the first-stage propulsion verification tests of the Kestrel V orbital launch vehicle — aiming at its maiden flight in 2023.

This is total BS. The "technology demonstration sounding rocket program" actually was initiated years ago. It was called "Hapith I", now "Kestrel I". Three of those rockets were built, and none of them lifted off the pad.

The plan is:

1. successfully launch Kestrel I
2. finish development of Kestrel V, which realistically will take some more years
3. launch Kestrel  V

Which means Kestrel V would optimistically  launch NET 2026.

A video from a couple weeks ago say's they'll be 'ready for orbital launch in early 2020

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