Author Topic: Cidco Rd. Manufacturing Site in Cocoa, Florida  (Read 227513 times)

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Re: Starship Manufacturing in Cocoa, Florida
« Reply #40 on: 05/15/2019 09:55 pm »
I also wonder, given this construction technique, whether we'll end up seeing the Super Heavy (BFR) 1st stage sooner than assumed.

Is there any particular reason to assume this isn't what we're already looking at right here, rather than a second Starship?
Because Elon Musk responded to Chris Bergin's post in the "Starship Manufacturing in Cocoa, Florida" on Twitter saying they have two competing teams building Starships now, one in Texas and one here in Florida. https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=48158.0

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Re: Starship Manufacturing in Cocoa, Florida
« Reply #41 on: 05/15/2019 10:01 pm »
I was reading this and decided to drive by as It's on my way home from work and saw this pulling in the gate!
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Re: Starship Manufacturing in Cocoa, Florida
« Reply #42 on: 05/16/2019 04:17 pm »
I get the feeling that whoever originally posted this spoiled SpaceXís surprise. They likely didnít want it revealed just yet. If they wanted it to be known they would have announced it.

Donít hurt the cause, dude.

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Re: Starship Manufacturing in Cocoa, Florida
« Reply #43 on: 05/16/2019 04:23 pm »
I get the feeling that whoever originally posted this spoiled SpaceXís surprise. They likely didnít want it revealed just yet. If they wanted it to be known they would have announced it.

Donít hurt the cause, dude.

If they had a real reason to keep it secret they would have hidden it better. Anything in plain sight from a public road is not a secret.
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Re: Starship Manufacturing in Cocoa, Florida
« Reply #44 on: 05/16/2019 04:31 pm »
Doubt it was a big deal.  SpaceX advertised temp jobs for Starship construction for three months, May through July.

https://boards.greenhouse.io/spacex/jobs/4270624002?gh_jid=4270624002
« Last Edit: 05/16/2019 04:32 pm by RedLineTrain »

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Re: Starship Manufacturing in Cocoa, Florida
« Reply #45 on: 05/16/2019 04:45 pm »
Elon already said on Twitter like a month ago they would be doing simultaneous builds in Texas and Florida. It's not exactly a surprise.

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Re: Starship Manufacturing in Cocoa, Florida
« Reply #46 on: 05/16/2019 06:20 pm »
If they can get it to the river via road, they have some more options:

Sorry if this question has been asked before. Would a heavy-lift helicopter be able to transport the sections? If so, would there be nightmarish safety protocols and regulatory hurdles that might preclude such a procedure?
« Last Edit: 05/16/2019 06:22 pm by WindyCity »

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Re: Starship Manufacturing in Cocoa, Florida
« Reply #47 on: 05/16/2019 11:14 pm »
Mods, feel free to remove either of these posts as i'm not sure which thread this photo belongs more in.

Aerial view of the Florida Starship Construction Site

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Re: Starship Manufacturing in Cocoa, Florida
« Reply #48 on: 05/16/2019 11:58 pm »
Good grief, they already have TWO build jigs with cylinders  and several rings waiting to be stacked 😨
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Re: Starship Manufacturing in Cocoa, Florida
« Reply #49 on: 05/17/2019 12:15 am »
Full video of news story.

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Re: Starship Manufacturing in Cocoa, Florida
« Reply #51 on: 05/17/2019 08:07 am »
I get the feeling that whoever originally posted this spoiled SpaceXís surprise. They likely didnít want it revealed just yet. If they wanted it to be known they would have announced it.

Donít hurt the cause, dude.

If they had a real reason to keep it secret they would have hidden it better. Anything in plain sight from a public road is not a secret.

You are right, but in this case this particular road is a dead end, deep inside of an industrial area, and this facility is the last one, so nobody passing by. This was more than adequate hide for several weeks, and how we located it was also far from trivial.

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Re: Starship Manufacturing in Cocoa, Florida
« Reply #52 on: 05/17/2019 10:43 am »
Elon even had announced the plans to build in Florida. He just did not announce the particulars. Seems the announcement was not taken literally before finding the site. When did that ever happen with his announcements before?

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Re: Starship Manufacturing in Cocoa, Florida
« Reply #53 on: 05/17/2019 10:51 am »
I've drawn out a route that should work from Coastal Steel to 39a.  You might need to leave the actuated fins off.

You need to remove a power line before you go on the off ramp to the A1A.  When you go through the ferry terminal there's a couple of power lines and overhead signs that would need to be removed.  Other than those elements it requires the least adjustments.  From the port onward it's the usual F9 booster route.

You could go along the A1A and up through Courteney and join Kennedy Parkway N, but has more traffic lights and overhead lines to be removed.  You can get round the Nasa Pkwy flyover by going up and down the offramps.  It's a clear route from there.

You could go along the Canaveral barge canal but it's hard to see where you'd load it onto the barge in the Indian River.  That also requires crane -> mover to river -> crane -> barge-> crane -> mover to site-> crane.  It's a bit messy.
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Re: Starship Manufacturing in Cocoa, Florida
« Reply #54 on: 05/17/2019 01:25 pm »
I've drawn out a route that should work from Coastal Steel to 39a.  You might need to leave the actuated fins off.

You need to remove a power line before you go on the off ramp to the A1A.  When you go through the ferry terminal there's a couple of power lines and overhead signs that would need to be removed.  Other than those elements it requires the least adjustments.  From the port onward it's the usual F9 booster route.

You could go along the A1A and up through Courteney and join Kennedy Parkway N, but has more traffic lights and overhead lines to be removed.  You can get round the Nasa Pkwy flyover by going up and down the offramps.  It's a clear route from there.

You could go along the Canaveral barge canal but it's hard to see where you'd load it onto the barge in the Indian River.  That also requires crane -> mover to river -> crane -> barge-> crane -> mover to site-> crane.  It's a bit messy.

I think it will be going to LZ-1, not the pads. So your route will be much shorter.  Take it by a barge to the port where they are already unloading and moving flown boosters, then truck it over to LZ-1.

It'll be quite a show stopper when they are ready to move it!

The route I drew goes past LZ1.  It's 20 miles vs 30 miles to 39a. 

I couldn't see where you could load it onto the barge near the build site.  The coast up from the A1A bridge is all residential (You can only travel half way up Cocoa Blvd before you reach an impassible foot bridge).

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Re: Starship Manufacturing in Cocoa, Florida
« Reply #55 on: 05/17/2019 03:34 pm »
Having another look on Google maps, there is a spot just before the A1A river crossing that might be suitable for a crane.  If the water's deep enough you could load it onto a barge here, straight up the canal to the port and offload.  It's then unobstructed transport up through the airforce base to whichever launchpad they use.

Plus sides are that the A1A would be closed for less time and you can bypass the messy ferry terminal.  Downsides are the extra loading/unloading steps.

I'd still bet on the road route.  The hopper moved a couple of miles really quickly.  It seems practical enough to close one side of the A1A for a few hours.  To someone 4000 miles away...  ;)


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Re: Starship Manufacturing in Cocoa, Florida
« Reply #56 on: 05/17/2019 04:09 pm »
Full video of news story.



I wonder if the structure near the jig was used to prototype the cladding for 39A?  Seems like an odd thing that doesnt have any relevance to Starship
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Re: Starship Manufacturing in Cocoa, Florida
« Reply #57 on: 05/17/2019 04:11 pm »
I thought that was a windshield to shelter the cylinders being built on the jig. In Boca Chica they're using stacked shipping containers for the same purpose.

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Re: Starship Manufacturing in Cocoa, Florida
« Reply #58 on: 05/17/2019 04:14 pm »
if you look at the top map, that is the wrong way to enter the freeway unless you close the westbound lane while transporting the Starship.  We drive on the right side of the road in the US.  Westbound it on the north side, east bound on the south side. 
« Last Edit: 05/17/2019 04:17 pm by spacenut »

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Re: Starship Manufacturing in Cocoa, Florida
« Reply #59 on: 05/17/2019 04:18 pm »
if you look at the top map, that is the wrong way to enter the freeway unless you close the westbound lane while transporting the Starship.  We drive on the right side of the road in the US.  Westbound it on the north side, east bound on the south side.
Yes, multiple posts on this site have suggested moving Starship against the normal flow of traffic on the bridge.

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