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Re: SDA LEO Constellations
« Reply #80 on: 07/20/2022 10:41 am »
There were 7 bidders, so they may just have lost.  The satellite bus might not be as expensive as the payload on these sats, and it was commented that the SpaceX bus in Tranche 0 was larger than really necessary for the mission because of their commoditized bus design (everything else in Tranche 0 and probably Tranche 1 can launch from ESPA rings).  It's the whole bus/payload/integration package that matters.
I could see a repeat of NSSL Phase 1, with SpaceX bidding a Starship-based option that is not selected due to risk. Or was Tranche 1 structured like Tranche 0 with launch being a separate bid?

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Re: SDA LEO Constellations
« Reply #81 on: 07/20/2022 10:53 am »
I could see a repeat of NSSL Phase 1, with SpaceX bidding a Starship-based option that is not selected due to risk. Or was Tranche 1 structured like Tranche 0 with launch being a separate bid?

They can't bid a Starship based solution, which is the problem. Congress moved the launch contract for this constellation to be under NSSL, which means it can't launch on anything other than the launch vehicles already under NSSL Phase 2 contract. I mentioned it in the SpaceX wins contract for missile-warning satellites thread, this made it impossible for SpaceX to bid using Starlink v2 platform.
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Re: SDA LEO Constellations
« Reply #82 on: 08/11/2022 03:09 am »
https://investors.terranorbital.com/news/news-details/2022/Terran-Orbital-Reports-Record-Breaking-Second-Quarter-2022-Financial-Results/default.aspx

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the Company reiterates its expectation to deliver all ten buses in 2022 to Lockheed Martin in support of the SDA Transport Layer Tranche 0 and has commenced work on the next forty-two satellites for Tranche 1, which we expect to begin delivering in 2023.

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Re: SDA LEO Constellations
« Reply #83 on: 08/11/2022 03:10 am »
Maxar to Build 14 Spacecraft Platforms for L3Harris as Part of Space Development Agency’s Tranche 1 Tracking Layer Program
August 09, 2022
WESTMINSTER, Colo.--(BUSINESS WIRE)-- Maxar Technologies (NYSE:MAXR) (TSX:MAXR), provider of comprehensive space solutions and secure, precise, geospatial intelligence, today announced it has been selected by L3Harris Technologies for the design and production of 14 spacecraft platforms and associated support for its Tranche 1 Tracking Layer contract with the Space Development Agency (SDA).

SDA selected L3Harris as a prime for its Tranche 1 Tracking Layer as part of the initial Missile Warning/Missile Tracking warfighting capability of the National Defense Space Architecture (NDSA). Tranche 1 Tracking Layer will provide limited global indications, warning and tracking of conventional and advanced missile threats, including hypersonic missile systems.

Designed, engineered and built in-house, these modular satellite platforms illustrate Maxar’s ability to adapt and extend its deep experience to provide agile, affordable solutions in proliferated, low Earth orbit (LEO) constellations. With this contract, Maxar will provide a robust foundation for the integration of various mission payloads, including optical terminals for space mesh networking, Ka-band communications, and infrared sensors. Additionally, it will provide related ground, operations and sustainment support. Maxar will manufacture the platforms at its factories in Palo Alto and San Jose, California, for delivery in 2024, and launches are scheduled to begin in April 2025.

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Re: SDA LEO Constellations
« Reply #84 on: 08/15/2022 06:42 pm »
There is a thread to discuss the SDA LEO Constellations, linked in the top post.  This isn't it.  This thread is to cover the first launch campaign.  If you want to start a discussion in the other thread, please put something more useful than "SpaceX is awesome and everyone else sucks."

Well, my original post was to point out why this mission has not been slipping and won't slip unless absolutely necessary.  That got deleted because, well, I guess people don't like to hear about why we have weapons or who are enemies are and why.  Second, where did I say everyone else sucks?  In fact, did I not say that they do good work?  Do you deny that Lockheed and Northrop have been very late and very over budget lately?  What was the James Webb supposed to cost and when was it supposed to be launched?  Artemis?  The F35?  And I worked on the F35 so I know a bit about the history.  If you press me on who actually sucks, I will say Boeing.  But I was TRYING to be nice.  I have $100 that says the Tranche 1 will take at least 2X as long as they are saying and will cost at least 2X by the time it is in place.  And the only reason it won't be 5-10X is that the DOD will be breathing down their necks the entire time.  This will be micromanaged because of its national security impact.

What else do you want me to add?  How, exactly, the constellation will work?  Or, maybe, you would like me to share the technical details of the directed energy laser system I worked on?  Because, yeah, I bet that would be interesting but, no.

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Re: SDA LEO Constellations
« Reply #85 on: 08/19/2022 05:20 am »
As DoD shifts to smaller satellites, new questions emerge on how to manage rideshare launches

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The agency’s strategy to deploy a large constellation of small satellites for communications and missile-tracking is widely supported on Capitol Hill but lawmakers in the 2023 National Defense Authorization Act draft bill raised concerns about the ability of the NSSL program to perform SDA’s rideshare launches on budget and on schedule.

Specifically, the House Armed Services Committee suggested that DoD should hire a “common launch integrator” to help manage the integration of SDA’s satellites on NSSL rockets. With a growing number of launches and a demanding schedule set by SDA, the HASC said it’s unclear how the Space Force intends to “drive down cost, reduce risk, and ensure launch reliability and performance.”

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The HASC suggested DoD could use the existing U.S. Space Force Launch Manifest Systems Integrator (LMSI) contract to handle the SDA payload integration workload.

The current LMSI contractor, Parsons Corp., advocated for the HASC language.

I don't know, this looks like it would increase cost further instead of saving money...

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Re: SDA LEO Constellations
« Reply #86 on: 09/02/2022 03:07 am »
This article has some numbers about SDA launches: https://breakingdefense.com/2022/06/with-billions-at-stake-lobbying-heats-up-for-future-rights-to-space-force-launches/

Before SDA was forced to use NSSL: $150M for 2 launches

After SDA was forced to use NSSL: $116M for the one launch in FY22, $314M for the 3 launches in FY23

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Re: SDA LEO Constellations
« Reply #87 on: 10/27/2022 06:57 am »
Starlink’s survivability in war a good sign for DoD’s future constellation

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Russian officials have made veiled threats to obliterate SpaceX’s internet satellite network which has served as a communications lifeline for the Ukrainian military.

To date, however, “how many Starlink satellites have the Russians shot down? … zero,” noted Derek Tournear, director of the U.S. Space Force’s Space Development Agency.

Although Russia in November demonstrated it can strike a satellite in low Earth orbit with a ballistic missile, the fact that it hasn’t taken down any Starlink satellites speaks to the power of a proliferated constellation to deter attacks and provide resilience, Tournear said Oct. 25 at a Mitchell Institute for Aerospace Studies event in Arlington, Virginia.

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Re: SDA LEO Constellations
« Reply #88 on: 10/27/2022 09:53 am »
Starlink’s survivability in war a good sign for DoD’s future constellation

Quote from: SpaceNews
Russian officials have made veiled threats to obliterate SpaceX’s internet satellite network which has served as a communications lifeline for the Ukrainian military.

To date, however, “how many Starlink satellites have the Russians shot down? … zero,” noted Derek Tournear, director of the U.S. Space Force’s Space Development Agency.

Although Russia in November demonstrated it can strike a satellite in low Earth orbit with a ballistic missile, the fact that it hasn’t taken down any Starlink satellites speaks to the power of a proliferated constellation to deter attacks and provide resilience, Tournear said Oct. 25 at a Mitchell Institute for Aerospace Studies event in Arlington, Virginia.
SpaceX can replace them quicker than Russia could destroy them with ballistic missiles. The resulting debris would damage everybody's satellites.

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Re: SDA LEO Constellations
« Reply #89 on: 10/27/2022 08:38 pm »
Starlink’s survivability in war a good sign for DoD’s future constellation

Quote from: SpaceNews
Russian officials have made veiled threats to obliterate SpaceX’s internet satellite network which has served as a communications lifeline for the Ukrainian military.

To date, however, “how many Starlink satellites have the Russians shot down? … zero,” noted Derek Tournear, director of the U.S. Space Force’s Space Development Agency.

Although Russia in November demonstrated it can strike a satellite in low Earth orbit with a ballistic missile, the fact that it hasn’t taken down any Starlink satellites speaks to the power of a proliferated constellation to deter attacks and provide resilience, Tournear said Oct. 25 at a Mitchell Institute for Aerospace Studies event in Arlington, Virginia.
SpaceX can replace them quicker than Russia could destroy them with ballistic missiles. The resulting debris would damage everybody's satellites.

This is silly talk.
The only effective way to shut down Starlink - or any other similar constellation - is to attack the gateway ground  stations: there is only about 120 of them and a small Hellfire-class missile would probably disable the whole nine-mushroom Gateway.

Fortunately for Ukraine - and I guess unfortunately for Russia - all the Starlink Gateway locations used by Ukraine Starlink users are outside Ukraine and in the territory of NATO countries. A strike on any of them is a direct attack on a NATO country and would provoke an Article 5 response by all NATO countries on Russia. That makes the Starlink Gateways 'off limits' for Russia


Edit: spelling
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Re: SDA LEO Constellations
« Reply #90 on: 10/27/2022 08:46 pm »
Starlink’s survivability in war a good sign for DoD’s future constellation

Quote from: SpaceNews
Russian officials have made veiled threats to obliterate SpaceX’s internet satellite network which has served as a communications lifeline for the Ukrainian military.

To date, however, “how many Starlink satellites have the Russians shot down? … zero,” noted Derek Tournear, director of the U.S. Space Force’s Space Development Agency.

Although Russia in November demonstrated it can strike a satellite in low Earth orbit with a ballistic missile, the fact that it hasn’t taken down any Starlink satellites speaks to the power of a proliferated constellation to deter attacks and provide resilience, Tournear said Oct. 25 at a Mitchell Institute for Aerospace Studies event in Arlington, Virginia.
SpaceX can replace them quicker than Russia could destroy them with ballistic missiles. The resulting debris would damage everybody's satellites.

This is silly talk.
The only effective way to shut down Starlink - or any other similar constellation - is to attack the gateway ground  stations: there is only about 120 of them and a small Hellfire-class missile would probably disable the whole nine-mushroom Gateway.

Fortunately for Ukraine - and I guess unfortunately for Russia - all the Starlink Gateway locations used by Ukraine Starlink users are outside Ukraine and in the territory of NATO countries. A strike on any of them is a direct attack on a NATO country and would provoke an Article 5 response by all NATO countries on Russia. That makes the Starlink Gateways 'off limits' for Russia


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The threat to "local" gateways goes away once ISL is fully implemented. An attacker would need to hit gateways globally. A cyberattack on network infrastructure is more realistic.

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Re: SDA LEO Constellations
« Reply #91 on: 10/27/2022 09:49 pm »
Starlink’s survivability in war a good sign for DoD’s future constellation

Quote from: SpaceNews
Russian officials have made veiled threats to obliterate SpaceX’s internet satellite network which has served as a communications lifeline for the Ukrainian military.

To date, however, “how many Starlink satellites have the Russians shot down? … zero,” noted Derek Tournear, director of the U.S. Space Force’s Space Development Agency.

Although Russia in November demonstrated it can strike a satellite in low Earth orbit with a ballistic missile, the fact that it hasn’t taken down any Starlink satellites speaks to the power of a proliferated constellation to deter attacks and provide resilience, Tournear said Oct. 25 at a Mitchell Institute for Aerospace Studies event in Arlington, Virginia.
SpaceX can replace them quicker than Russia could destroy them with ballistic missiles. The resulting debris would damage everybody's satellites.
Huh. Unless the Starlink comsats have station keeping capability, they will reenter the atmosphere within a few months from their LEO altitude. Debris of LEO spacecrafts from Russian direct ascent attacks with kinetic kill vehicles will have quick orbital decay.


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Re: SDA LEO Constellations
« Reply #92 on: 11/23/2022 11:58 am »
SDA ponders signal, tech trade-offs for alternate GPS satellite payloads

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The Space Development Agency wants to include hosted payloads on its future data relay satellites that can provide an alternate to GPS positioning, navigation and timing services, but has yet to determine exactly how — something that officials are hoping industry responses to the agency’s recent request for information, due today, will help clarify.

“The goal is to proliferate a complementary PNT service that can augment DOD PNT users, providing enhancements to military GPS users,” Jennifer Elzea, SDA spokesperson, told Breaking Defense, meaning that users “could use both GPS and the SDA signal.”

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Re: SDA LEO Constellations
« Reply #93 on: 12/22/2022 01:21 pm »
https://terranorbital.com/terran-orbital-completes-order-for-sdas-tranche-0-transport-layer/

BOCA RATON, Fla., Dec. 22, 2022 – Terran Orbital Corporation ... today announced the delivery of the final of ten satellite buses to prime contractor Lockheed Martin in support of the Space Development Agency’s (SDA) Tranche 0 Transport Layer.
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Re: SDA LEO Constellations
« Reply #94 on: 01/25/2023 11:52 am »
Space Development Agency renames constellation to reflect focus on U.S. warfighter

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The Space Development Agency is renaming its planned network of military satellites “Proliferated Warfighter Space Architecture,” the agency announced Jan. 23.

SDA, a former Defense Department agency that is now part of the U.S. Space Force, previously used the name “National Defense Space Architecture” to describe a low Earth orbit constellation of small satellites scheduled to start launching in March.

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Re: SDA LEO Constellations
« Reply #95 on: 02/03/2023 03:13 am »
Space Development Agency issues draft solicitation for 72 satellites

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The Space Development Agency is planning a new procurement of 72 satellites to continue to build out a military constellation in low Earth orbit.

In a Jan. 31 draft solicitation, the agency seeks input from vendors interested in bidding for 72 satellites and supporting ground systems that will make up a portion of a planned 216-satellite Tranche 2 Transport Layer. Responses are due March 1.

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Re: SDA LEO Constellations
« Reply #96 on: 02/04/2023 04:04 am »
AWS global satcom chief: US Defense Department-forced standards could save satcom industry from itself

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The U.S. Department of Defense, whose Space Development Agency has already forced a de facto common technical standard on optical satellite transmissions, may be able to accomplish the same feat with interoperability among satellite broadband systems in geostationary and non-geostioantary orbit, the head of Amazon Web Services’s global satcom division said.

Paul Mattear also said the DoD’s recent solicitations will also assure that geostationary-orbit satellites, whose relevance is under question in some markets, will remain viable to offer network resilience.

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Re: SDA LEO Constellations
« Reply #97 on: 02/10/2023 03:42 am »
Military agency praised for leading the way on laser communications

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By requiring suppliers of laser terminals to comply with a common set of standards, the U.S. Space Development Agency has helped propel the industry forward, executives said Feb. 8 at the SmallSat Symposium in Mountain View, California. 

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The agency in 2021 issued a set of technical specifications that optical terminal manufacturers have to comply with in order to compete for SDA contracts. SDA is buying satellites from multiple manufacturers and all their satellites have to be interoperable.

SDA’s move to set standards and force suppliers to coalesce around them has been game changing for the industry, said Sven Rettig, chief commercial officer of Tesat Spacecom, a Germany-based manufacturer of optical terminals that is expanding its U.S. operations to support SDA satellite suppliers.

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Re: SDA LEO Constellations
« Reply #98 on: 03/02/2023 06:13 pm »
[Space News] Raytheon wins $250 million contract for missile-tracking satellites

Adding a fifth plane with seven more sats to the Tranche 1 Tracking Layer.  Raytheon is the third company to get a contract for Tranche 1 Tracking Layer sats.

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Re: SDA LEO Constellations
« Reply #99 on: 12/12/2023 05:04 pm »

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