Regarding the "outside area" I think it doesn't really need to be outside the hill-side. Just let it be the first big room in the tunnel system and then have the airlock a bit further inside the hill. That way it won't be necessary to build a hall outside and expend invaluable material on unnecessary walls.
A problem that may happen with the external structure is that it will itself become dirty and contaminated
and might create a local atmosphere that is worse than the outdoors.
Should this thread be moved from the SpaceX Mars section back to the general Missions To Mars (HSF) section?
(The airlock-proper is the larger disc-shaped section, called the "equipment lock". The unpressurised extension is the long, narrow cylinder sticking out, called the "crew lock". Which seems backwards to me.)
This is a spin-off thread from the Amazing Martina habitats thread.The existing docking and berthing ports may not be adequate for use on the surface of Mars. The docking ports are very small, and the berthing cargo port, although wide, is not very high.A number of mock-ups have been part of various Mars base and and martian vehicles over the years, there does not seem to have been any serious design effort done yet. - What is the correct name for 'it' ? An airlock, a port, a pressure door?
- Should it open in, open ot, or dilate like a SF movie door?
Quote from: lamontagne on 08/23/2019 12:39 pmThis is a spin-off thread from the Amazing Martina habitats thread.The existing docking and berthing ports may not be adequate for use on the surface of Mars. The docking ports are very small, and the berthing cargo port, although wide, is not very high.A number of mock-ups have been part of various Mars base and and martian vehicles over the years, there does not seem to have been any serious design effort done yet. - What is the correct name for 'it' ? An airlock, a port, a pressure door?The picture seems to portray a single port or pressure door. Airlock implies a two-doored chamber that can depressurize independently from the connected habitable space.Quote- Should it open in, open ot, or dilate like a SF movie door?Open in is the usual concept, so if there is a large pressure gradient between the hab and outside the door, it cannot be opened and depressurize the hab space, as a safety measure.
Oups! Just found a pre-existing thread from RocketmanUS (the search function on the website is not very good BTW :-) I even posted to it Perhaps we can merge the two?https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=42098.0That was more for whole vehicle airlocks, rather than the smaller doors/hatches I'm illustrating here, but still.
Vehicle real estate is at a premium so it may be worth it to have your docking door and your airlock door be the same door... when independent you go through an inner door, airlock operates, and then through the outer to get outside. When at base, you go through an inner door, there may be a brief pressure equalization (or not) then through the outer to get to the base. So the inner has to be able to handle pressure/pressure and pressure/vacuum while the outer has to be able to handle pressure/pressure (while docked) pressure/vacuum (while airlock is pressurised) and vacuum/vacuum (while airlock is depress, just before opening). Note I use vacuum to also stand in for "Mars Ambient"
An airlock can use two of the doors shown, or perhaps since the outer door has to cope with both sides depress (just before opening or closing) maybe it's different?The door shown for sure has to handle pressure on one side and vacuum on the other. Does that mean it's asymmetric (the always pressure side is different than the sometimes vacuum side) ?
Quote from: Lar on 08/23/2019 03:43 pmAn airlock can use two of the doors shown, or perhaps since the outer door has to cope with both sides depress (just before opening or closing) maybe it's different?The door shown for sure has to handle pressure on one side and vacuum on the other. Does that mean it's asymmetric (the always pressure side is different than the sometimes vacuum side) ?I would expect the door to be asymmetrical. The inverted operation of the safety door between two habitats seems like the main case where a door would need to function in Pressure/vacuum in two directions. That might best be served by a symmetrical door?
Quote from: lamontagne on 08/23/2019 05:47 pmQuote from: Lar on 08/23/2019 03:43 pmAn airlock can use two of the doors shown, or perhaps since the outer door has to cope with both sides depress (just before opening or closing) maybe it's different?The door shown for sure has to handle pressure on one side and vacuum on the other. Does that mean it's asymmetric (the always pressure side is different than the sometimes vacuum side) ?I would expect the door to be asymmetrical. The inverted operation of the safety door between two habitats seems like the main case where a door would need to function in Pressure/vacuum in two directions. That might best be served by a symmetrical door?There's no need for an asymmetrical hatch design. Each habitat module should have its own hatch for safety, so when two modules are connected there are two doors. As long as you leave enough room in the design, by default you get a one-person airlock when you connect two hatch assemblies.