{snip}- I've never been a huge fan of NTR. The benefit over conventional cryo propulsion isn't anything astonishing, when you factor in much lower thrust/weight ratio of the stages. The political barriers remain significant too.
I still wonder about what my friend Guenter Wendt says about Mars Missions, which is that the crew will be dead within 7 days due to radiation....
Quote from: mike robel on 04/06/2009 11:33 pmI still wonder about what my friend Guenter Wendt says about Mars Missions, which is that the crew will be dead within 7 days due to radiation....Hate to say it, but he was speaking out his ass.A crew traveling to Mars would get less radiation exposure during their first 7 days than the Apollo crews got during their entire missions. This is because the Mars crew would only get one exposure to the Van Allen belts while the Apollo crews got two.If Wendt was right, none of the Apollo crews should have survived their missions.
Quote from: Jorge on 04/07/2009 01:06 amQuote from: mike robel on 04/06/2009 11:33 pmI still wonder about what my friend Guenter Wendt says about Mars Missions, which is that the crew will be dead within 7 days due to radiation....Hate to say it, but he was speaking out his ass.A crew traveling to Mars would get less radiation exposure during their first 7 days than the Apollo crews got during their entire missions. This is because the Mars crew would only get one exposure to the Van Allen belts while the Apollo crews got two.If Wendt was right, none of the Apollo crews should have survived their missions.Well, what bugs me is I can't find any hard data about radiation exposure from probes we have sent to Mars. Zubrin says , FWIW, that the radiation exposure would only add a slight increase in probability of developing cancer.So I am have anecdotal data on two extremes and no hard data...
Quote from: Kaputnik on 04/06/2009 08:36 pm{snip}- I've never been a huge fan of NTR. The benefit over conventional cryo propulsion isn't anything astonishing, when you factor in much lower thrust/weight ratio of the stages. The political barriers remain significant too.Mars is still within the area that STR (Solar Thermal) motors work. Solar Thermal Propulsion can also be used to the Moon, Asteroids, GEO and inner planets. The high temperature chamber technology can probably be transferred.
Quote from: A_M_Swallow on 04/07/2009 12:05 amQuote from: Kaputnik on 04/06/2009 08:36 pm{snip}- I've never been a huge fan of NTR. The benefit over conventional cryo propulsion isn't anything astonishing, when you factor in much lower thrust/weight ratio of the stages. The political barriers remain significant too.Mars is still within the area that STR (Solar Thermal) motors work. Solar Thermal Propulsion can also be used to the Moon, Asteroids, GEO and inner planets. The high temperature chamber technology can probably be transferred.Solar thermal can't provide the high thrust needed to take advantage of the DV reduction that comes about from doing the trans-Mars injection burn deep in the gravity well. That loss means that whatever Isp advantage of solar thermal is trashed by the nearly doubling of the DV required for trans-mars injection.
Quote from: vanilla on 04/07/2009 02:02 amQuote from: A_M_Swallow on 04/07/2009 12:05 amQuote from: Kaputnik on 04/06/2009 08:36 pm{snip}- I've never been a huge fan of NTR. The benefit over conventional cryo propulsion isn't anything astonishing, when you factor in much lower thrust/weight ratio of the stages. The political barriers remain significant too.Mars is still within the area that STR (Solar Thermal) motors work. Solar Thermal Propulsion can also be used to the Moon, Asteroids, GEO and inner planets. The high temperature chamber technology can probably be transferred.Solar thermal can't provide the high thrust needed to take advantage of the DV reduction that comes about from doing the trans-Mars injection burn deep in the gravity well. That loss means that whatever Isp advantage of solar thermal is trashed by the nearly doubling of the DV required for trans-mars injection.Is that low thrust intrinsic to the technology or just that people have only been making small Solar thermal engines?
- aerocapture for the DAV- why not direct entry?
I think this is a step backwards from DRM III, too many rendezvous events, too much mass to launch.
Quote from: PurduesUSAFguy on 04/08/2009 12:34 amI think this is a step backwards from DRM III, too many rendezvous events, too much mass to launch. I think it's a step backward from the NEP-AG studies that almost became a DRM IV...For one thing, a 20 MWt NEP reactor is going to be a whole lot easier to develop than a 500 MWt nuclear thermal reactor. More sustainable too.Isn't it kind of silly to have a 500 MW nuclear reactor send you to Mars and then fly there on diddly little solar panels?
Maybe it's about justifying the enormous payload capability of Ares-V?