Regardless, by the time of the October 10 session, Falcon 9 probably will have launched its currently allowed 36 times for the year.
Quote from: RedLineTrain on 09/25/2024 03:21 pmRegardless, by the time of the October 10 session, Falcon 9 probably will have launched its currently allowed 36 times for the year.As of today, they've launched 32 times out of Vandenberg this year, with the next on September 30th. Will SpaceX be forced to halt at the limit, and what about important launches like SDA Tranche 1, that affect national security?
Members of the California Coastal Commission voted 6-4 on Thursday against a request by the US military to approve a larger annual number of SpaceX launch activities from Vandenberg Space Force Base, northwest of Los Angeles.
California Commissioners Reject Expansion of SpaceX Launches, a Non-Binding Rebuff of Musk [Oct 11]QuoteMembers of the California Coastal Commission voted 6-4 on Thursday against a request by the US military to approve a larger annual number of SpaceX launch activities from Vandenberg Space Force Base, northwest of Los Angeles.
Quote from: StraumliBlight on 10/11/2024 01:41 pmCalifornia Commissioners Reject Expansion of SpaceX Launches, a Non-Binding Rebuff of Musk [Oct 11]QuoteMembers of the California Coastal Commission voted 6-4 on Thursday against a request by the US military to approve a larger annual number of SpaceX launch activities from Vandenberg Space Force Base, northwest of Los Angeles. Non-binding rebuffs are the best kind of rebuffs.
State officials cited Musk’s antics in rejecting SpaceX’s plan to launch more rockets off the Central California coast.“I really appreciate the work of the Space Force,” said Commission Chair Caryl Hart. “But here we’re dealing with a company, the head of which has aggressively injected himself into the presidential race and he’s managed a company in a way that was just described by Commissioner Newsom that I find to be very disturbing.”
California officials cite Elon Musk’s politics in rejecting SpaceX launchesQuoteState officials cited Musk’s antics in rejecting SpaceX’s plan to launch more rockets off the Central California coast.“I really appreciate the work of the Space Force,” said Commission Chair Caryl Hart. “But here we’re dealing with a company, the head of which has aggressively injected himself into the presidential race and he’s managed a company in a way that was just described by Commissioner Newsom that I find to be very disturbing.”
Quote from: catdlr on 10/11/2024 06:57 pmCalifornia officials cite Elon Musk’s politics in rejecting SpaceX launchesQuoteState officials cited Musk’s antics in rejecting SpaceX’s plan to launch more rockets off the Central California coast.“I really appreciate the work of the Space Force,” said Commission Chair Caryl Hart. “But here we’re dealing with a company, the head of which has aggressively injected himself into the presidential race and he’s managed a company in a way that was just described by Commissioner Newsom that I find to be very disturbing.”Citing politics as part of the rationale for rejecting launch approval sounds mega-illegal.
Quote from: catdlr on 10/11/2024 06:57 pmCalifornia officials cite Elon Musk’s politics in rejecting SpaceX launchesQuoteState officials cited Musk’s antics in rejecting SpaceX’s plan to launch more rockets off the Central California coast.“I really appreciate the work of the Space Force,” said Commission Chair Caryl Hart. “But here we’re dealing with a company, the head of which has aggressively injected himself into the presidential race and he’s managed a company in a way that was just described by Commissioner Newsom that I find to be very disturbing.”Seems massively unconstitutional to me, and SX should sue California TBH.
What is the impact of the 36 flight restriction? Were those extra 14 flights mostly Starlink launches? If so, will SpaceX now reduce DoD launches to still get their Starlink polar-orbit sats in orbit?
Quote from: ZachF on 10/12/2024 07:01 pmQuote from: catdlr on 10/11/2024 06:57 pmCalifornia officials cite Elon Musk’s politics in rejecting SpaceX launchesQuoteState officials cited Musk’s antics in rejecting SpaceX’s plan to launch more rockets off the Central California coast.“I really appreciate the work of the Space Force,” said Commission Chair Caryl Hart. “But here we’re dealing with a company, the head of which has aggressively injected himself into the presidential race and he’s managed a company in a way that was just described by Commissioner Newsom that I find to be very disturbing.”Seems massively unconstitutional to me, and SX should sue California TBH.No need. The Space Force can ignore this and do what it sees fit.This is just a free shot, so everybody can posture to their hearts' content.
Quote from: RedLineTrain on 10/12/2024 11:27 pmQuote from: ZachF on 10/12/2024 07:01 pmQuote from: catdlr on 10/11/2024 06:57 pmCalifornia officials cite Elon Musk’s politics in rejecting SpaceX launchesQuoteState officials cited Musk’s antics in rejecting SpaceX’s plan to launch more rockets off the Central California coast.“I really appreciate the work of the Space Force,” said Commission Chair Caryl Hart. “But here we’re dealing with a company, the head of which has aggressively injected himself into the presidential race and he’s managed a company in a way that was just described by Commissioner Newsom that I find to be very disturbing.”Seems massively unconstitutional to me, and SX should sue California TBH.No need. The Space Force can ignore this and do what it sees fit.This is just a free shot, so everybody can posture to their hearts' content.But honestly, they should all lose their jobs for even *thinking* that was an appropriate line of attack.Musk is gonna sue them toohttps://x.com/elonmusk/status/1845341767207457189?s=46
In August we wrote a bipartisan letter supporting more @SpaceX launches at Vandenberg, citing benefits to national security, broadband connectivity, and wildfire response.Yet the Coastal Commission just rejected the plan, citing unrelated political posts by Elon Musk. This illegal action needs to be reversed immediately.
Does anyone have a copy of the actual meeting minutes? The coastal.ca.gov site seems to be down.A video of the meeting is available at: https://cal-span.org/meeting/ccc_20241010/The relevant portion is from 2h 54m , votes start at 5h 33m or 5h 38m. Contrary to media reports, the main factor cited during the vote is that there are two 'tracks' for concurrency/permitting: for federal entities, and for private businesses. SpaceX via VSFB want to run everything through the federal track, and the concurrency vote was rejected by the commission who want to run only federal launches through the federal track (e.g. DoD missions) and private launches through the private company track (e.g. Starlink).There are a lot of public comments and discussion (over 2 hours) to scrub through without a written transcript, but I haven't thus far found anyone on the costal commission themselves stating the previous quotes on Musk as part of the meeting or voting process. It's possible the quote comes from one of the members of the public speaking that I haven't found yet - a lot of comments are only a minute or two long so easy to scrub over entirely.
Quote from: edzieba on 10/15/2024 10:02 amDoes anyone have a copy of the actual meeting minutes? The coastal.ca.gov site seems to be down.A video of the meeting is available at: https://cal-span.org/meeting/ccc_20241010/The relevant portion is from 2h 54m , votes start at 5h 33m or 5h 38m. Contrary to media reports, the main factor cited during the vote is that there are two 'tracks' for concurrency/permitting: for federal entities, and for private businesses. SpaceX via VSFB want to run everything through the federal track, and the concurrency vote was rejected by the commission who want to run only federal launches through the federal track (e.g. DoD missions) and private launches through the private company track (e.g. Starlink).There are a lot of public comments and discussion (over 2 hours) to scrub through without a written transcript, but I haven't thus far found anyone on the costal commission themselves stating the previous quotes on Musk as part of the meeting or voting process. It's possible the quote comes from one of the members of the public speaking that I haven't found yet - a lot of comments are only a minute or two long so easy to scrub over entirely.edzieba ,Would just a raw transcript dump be suitable (i.e., used for closed captioning purposes)?In the meantime, I attached all the presentation materials.Tony