Quote from: Rodal on 07/13/2015 09:49 pmQuote from: rq3 on 07/13/2015 09:14 pm....Why are all of these new plots looking more and more like those for the Alcubierre metric?RipBecause man/woman is a being who rose among all others on Earth by his/her ability to see patterns. So we see patterns everywhere (the face on Mars, canals on Mars, trees on Mars, etc.) even when those patterns are just a mirage.Cute. Now answer the question. Is there any possible correlation? You folks are chasing what appears to be impossible physics, why get snooty when someone sees an apparent correlation to other apparently impossible physics? I've already posted an observation that the devices described so far seem to be Q switched resonators, with no coherent (pardon the pun) response.Rip
Quote from: rq3 on 07/13/2015 09:14 pm....Why are all of these new plots looking more and more like those for the Alcubierre metric?RipBecause man/woman is a being who rose among all others on Earth by his/her ability to see patterns. So we see patterns everywhere (the face on Mars, canals on Mars, trees on Mars, etc.) even when those patterns are just a mirage.
....Why are all of these new plots looking more and more like those for the Alcubierre metric?Rip
Quote from: WarpTech on 07/13/2015 10:21 pmQuote from: WarpTech on 07/13/2015 04:22 amResolution of the Space-Drive Energy Paradox (version 6) Have at it @deltaMass and @wallofwolfstreet. I'm looking forward to your responses. https://www.dropbox.com/s/p86dvc8733h9iph/Desiato-Energy_Paradox-v6.pdf?dl=0Todd<<crickets>>LOL you crack me up. I don't know how many times people have corrected your math now, only for you to throw a new version back at them as though nothing even happened, not even the slightest acknowledgement of error or miscalculation. I take a day to respond to a post and you're gloating already. I do have a day job to attend, commenting on NSF doesn't pay bills (to my knowledge).
Quote from: WarpTech on 07/13/2015 04:22 amResolution of the Space-Drive Energy Paradox (version 6) Have at it @deltaMass and @wallofwolfstreet. I'm looking forward to your responses. https://www.dropbox.com/s/p86dvc8733h9iph/Desiato-Energy_Paradox-v6.pdf?dl=0Todd<<crickets>>
Resolution of the Space-Drive Energy Paradox (version 6) Have at it @deltaMass and @wallofwolfstreet. I'm looking forward to your responses. https://www.dropbox.com/s/p86dvc8733h9iph/Desiato-Energy_Paradox-v6.pdf?dl=0Todd
Rather than addressing each issue one by one in posts back and forth, I'll just lay them all out here:1) In equation ( 8 ), Eout is equal to the invariant rest mass-energy of the vehicle and battery minus Pin* time*gamma? How do you figure that? No KE dependence? As time goes on, Eout will monotonically decrease? If we let the drive run forever, using an external power source, to what value does Eout go? To negative infinity? Sorry, but this expression for Eout doesn't make sense.
2) Equation (9), the function for v, is for the "maximum velocity ... limited by the amount of energy stored in the battery", correct? If so, you've lost track of your own variable names. You then say "Thrust is dependent on the instantaneous velocity at time t", without ever showing it. equation (10) shows k=1/v, which isn't the instantaneous velocity at all, but the limiting velocity you just derived one equation up.
3) Two issues with equation (11). No idea how you move from the second last line to the last line (=Pin). As before, you misapply equation (9). If equation (9) is the maximum velocity, how is it you are able to sub it in to v(t)?
4) Most obvious issue, k has a v dependence. I can't copy all the relevant text, but you seem to think this is a-okay: "I believe the argument originates in the way Lorentz Transforms and the symmetry of two inertialreference frames is taught. In addition to, a failure to correctly learn and understand the effects of anaccelerated reference frame, or its equivalence to a gravitational field." - Maybe the failure to understand is on your part? Like it or not, you are now claiming the emdrive is a velocimeter, because k can easily be measured with an accelerometer and a multi-meter. My professors told me such a velocimeter, independently measuring absolute velocity in a closed system, was impossible. Maybe you know more than them, and they are the ones with the misunderstanding.
5) As I mentioned in this post, you are oversimplifying the "Energy paradox" to instances with acceleration and onboard power supplies. A free energy machine needs neither, and so even if you dismiss all of the above, paradox still stands firm.Conclusions? Swing and a miss. Can't imagine why you've gotten so hung up on this thing.
Give me one microNewton of genuine propellantless thrust and I will give you the stars.
Quote from: Rodal on 07/13/2015 09:59 pmOn the other hand testers from prestigious institutions : first NASA and now Prof. Tajmar at TU Dresden University, Germany, tested in vacuum and obtained thrust that is orders of magnitude smaller than those reported by Shawyer and Yang.Let's not forget NASA used the "wrong" frequencies and had failing equipment in the vacuum tests.
On the other hand testers from prestigious institutions : first NASA and now Prof. Tajmar at TU Dresden University, Germany, tested in vacuum and obtained thrust that is orders of magnitude smaller than those reported by Shawyer and Yang.
Quote from: WarpTech on 07/13/2015 10:21 pmQuote from: WarpTech on 07/13/2015 04:22 amResolution of the Space-Drive Energy Paradox (version 6) Have at it @deltaMass and @wallofwolfstreet. I'm looking forward to your responses. https://www.dropbox.com/s/p86dvc8733h9iph/Desiato-Energy_Paradox-v6.pdf?dl=0Todd" crickets "I have been glued to the forum all day eagerly awaiting rebuttals and discussion. A bit disappointed that there seems to be none so far. Though I am wondering if it is hard to formulate a rebuttal when part of your argument @WarpTech is in a yet to be completed paper.
Quote from: WarpTech on 07/13/2015 04:22 amResolution of the Space-Drive Energy Paradox (version 6) Have at it @deltaMass and @wallofwolfstreet. I'm looking forward to your responses. https://www.dropbox.com/s/p86dvc8733h9iph/Desiato-Energy_Paradox-v6.pdf?dl=0Todd" crickets "
Quote from: DaCunha on 07/13/2015 06:40 pm>The problem is EW does not have 20k $ to spend "win or lose". And, what makes it very painful if you ask me, we the people are not allowed to crowdfund their work.Quote from Paul March: "As to crowd sourcing, as I and several others have tried to explain on the NASASpaceFlight.com EM-Drive forum in the past, NASA projects can't take outside funding from non-government entities except via a space act agreement through NASA Headquarters in Washington DC, so crowd sourcing is not possible. However thanks for the thought."However, I see a small chance. Tomorrow New Horizons will pass Pluto at closest distance. And this event could remind everyone that this will be the last planetoid extraterrestrial unknown object that we will discover.It will remind them, that without new propulsion technology this will be the end of human space exploration.What if we start a white house petition to show the government the people's interest in investigating the EMDrive concept?If all who visited this thread would sign it.. I think this would increase the chances for a space act drastically.Just one comment about crowdfunding not being possible for NASA.. that restraint is, and please forgive my unfiltered rage, pure unadulterated horse shite. If tax payers money isn't crowdfunding on the largest possible scale already, I don't know what is. Maybe they don't like the thought that tax payers might do productive things without consent from 'authorities'. Hey mom! Can I have my EM drive allowance, please? No? Why!? But I was a good boy! Aww... . OK, mom. Yes, wars are important. Maybe next week?*CoM violating facepalm deluxe*.
>The problem is EW does not have 20k $ to spend "win or lose". And, what makes it very painful if you ask me, we the people are not allowed to crowdfund their work.Quote from Paul March: "As to crowd sourcing, as I and several others have tried to explain on the NASASpaceFlight.com EM-Drive forum in the past, NASA projects can't take outside funding from non-government entities except via a space act agreement through NASA Headquarters in Washington DC, so crowd sourcing is not possible. However thanks for the thought."However, I see a small chance. Tomorrow New Horizons will pass Pluto at closest distance. And this event could remind everyone that this will be the last planetoid extraterrestrial unknown object that we will discover.It will remind them, that without new propulsion technology this will be the end of human space exploration.What if we start a white house petition to show the government the people's interest in investigating the EMDrive concept?If all who visited this thread would sign it.. I think this would increase the chances for a space act drastically.
Quote from: SeeShells on 07/14/2015 03:33 ammiddleGlad that you got your Internet back!It makes "the force" come alive doesn't it?What is it about the human mind that we are transfixed by these movies. I keep staring at the movie.
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Don't have the software to do the integration on the images but I did the large end.
Quote from: CW on 07/13/2015 07:59 pmQuote from: DaCunha on 07/13/2015 06:40 pm>The problem is EW does not have 20k $ to spend "win or lose". And, what makes it very painful if you ask me, we the people are not allowed to crowdfund their work.Quote from Paul March: "As to crowd sourcing, as I and several others have tried to explain on the NASASpaceFlight.com EM-Drive forum in the past, NASA projects can't take outside funding from non-government entities except via a space act agreement through NASA Headquarters in Washington DC, so crowd sourcing is not possible. However thanks for the thought."However, I see a small chance. Tomorrow New Horizons will pass Pluto at closest distance. And this event could remind everyone that this will be the last planetoid extraterrestrial unknown object that we will discover.It will remind them, that without new propulsion technology this will be the end of human space exploration.What if we start a white house petition to show the government the people's interest in investigating the EMDrive concept?If all who visited this thread would sign it.. I think this would increase the chances for a space act drastically.Just one comment about crowdfunding not being possible for NASA.. that restraint is, and please forgive my unfiltered rage, pure unadulterated horse shite. If tax payers money isn't crowdfunding on the largest possible scale already, I don't know what is. Maybe they don't like the thought that tax payers might do productive things without consent from 'authorities'. Hey mom! Can I have my EM drive allowance, please? No? Why!? But I was a good boy! Aww... . OK, mom. Yes, wars are important. Maybe next week?*CoM violating facepalm deluxe*.I have allocated $20k of my money to make my 1st EMDrive build, CMS build, rotary test rig build, live video streaming of the tests and 7 x Force verifiers program work.Why?Because it is time to draw a line in the sand.
Quote from: SeeShells on 07/14/2015 03:24 amDon't have the software to do the integration on the images but I did the large end.I hope you have good solder joints people! The maximum stress seems to ride the seem of the large end. Hence, the use of bolts, not solder to hold it together. Hmmm...It makes sense though, that when the mode energy reaches the big end, it has already expanded. So after that, most of the reflections must be concentrated around the perimeter of the big end. That's why I want to see a simulation of it turned off. I want to see how far back up the frustum the wave goes after it is reflected from the big end, and for how long.Todd
Quote from: TheTraveller on 07/13/2015 02:14 pm...There will be a significant Faraday Shield around the EMDrive. If the BlueTooth can't connect, will increase it to a double Faraday Shield with optional additional full mu-metal shield to block out low H field leakage as well. Remember min wall thickness is 2mm and I can reduce Rf amp power down to 79mWs. Don't expect any issues but if they occur I know how to deal with them. The BlueTooth link, when doing cordless rotates, will be operational....It will be interesting to see how well the Bluetooth works. Bluetooth uses the same ISM band (2.4 - 2.5 GHz). No amount of shielding is 100% effective.
...There will be a significant Faraday Shield around the EMDrive. If the BlueTooth can't connect, will increase it to a double Faraday Shield with optional additional full mu-metal shield to block out low H field leakage as well. Remember min wall thickness is 2mm and I can reduce Rf amp power down to 79mWs. Don't expect any issues but if they occur I know how to deal with them. The BlueTooth link, when doing cordless rotates, will be operational....
Quote from: WarpTech on 07/14/2015 03:51 amQuote from: SeeShells on 07/14/2015 03:24 amDon't have the software to do the integration on the images but I did the large end.I hope you have good solder joints people! The maximum stress seems to ride the seem of the large end. Hence, the use of bolts, not solder to hold it together. Hmmm...It makes sense though, that when the mode energy reaches the big end, it has already expanded. So after that, most of the reflections must be concentrated around the perimeter of the big end. That's why I want to see a simulation of it turned off. I want to see how far back up the frustum the wave goes after it is reflected from the big end, and for how long.ToddIt is a location NEAR the big end, but NOT at the big end. I still have to plot the stresses at the big and at the small ends
This is a previous image posted by Star-Drive from NASA research:What is the "e/p plasma mirror" ?
Quote from: Rodal on 07/14/2015 03:50 amThis is a previous image posted by Star-Drive from NASA research:What is the "e/p plasma mirror" ?I have no idea, but I had a similar idea, where it would generate e/p pairs and use them as thrust in a MHD like device. Then someone pointed out to me how to calculate the temperature of an e/p pair annihilation and I saw the biggest issue with the idea. 2mc^2 / Boltzmann's constant = 11,800,000,000.0 Kelvin, subtract 273 for Centigrade. Anybody see an issue with that?Todd