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Re: The Buran Thread
« Reply #900 on: 06/08/2014 11:49 pm »
Sad this program is gone.  The sister orbiter mothballed and dirty.  (personally the second orbiter should be cleaned up for museum display like our shuttles are. )

Visitors will see Buran's sister behind a plexiglass wall. The orbiter sitting similar to how Atlantis is perched like she is flying. 

On a space modelling view. I hope Revell makes a 1/72 scale kit of the Buran/Energia. :) 

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Re: The Buran Thread
« Reply #901 on: 06/09/2014 12:04 am »
Sorry if this is a double post never seen this much detail on Buran.

Super-beatiful. Thanks!

A question: at 08:50 they zoom on a detail of the Energya rocket. Does someone know why?

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Re: The Buran Thread
« Reply #902 on: 06/09/2014 01:43 pm »
Sorry if this is a double post never seen this much detail on Buran.

Super-beatiful. Thanks!

A question: at 08:50 they zoom on a detail of the Energya rocket. Does someone know why?

This was a device needed for the pre-launch alignment of the core stage's inertial guidance platforms. It should have retracted from the rocket with a swing arm about 50 seconds before launch, but failed to do so, scrubbing the launch attempt on 29 October 1988.

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Re: The Buran Thread
« Reply #903 on: 06/10/2014 08:15 pm »
Buran Building with no roof.....  :'(  from Aleksandr Zheleznyakov facebook page.
« Last Edit: 06/10/2014 08:17 pm by jacqmans »
Jacques :-)

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Re: The Buran Thread
« Reply #904 on: 07/13/2014 09:26 am »
That's not present day is it? They wouldn't have left it like that?

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Re: The Buran Thread
« Reply #905 on: 07/13/2014 11:41 am »
That's not present day is it? They wouldn't have left it like that?

These pictures were taken in May 2014.
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Re: The Buran Thread
« Reply #906 on: 07/14/2014 06:36 pm »
Crazy that they just let it sit out there to rot...

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Re: The Buran Thread
« Reply #907 on: 07/14/2014 06:41 pm »
Parts of the Energia first stage booster were outside the building in 2004; those are gone now. And I am pretty sure most parts of Buran itself have been removed.

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Re: The Buran Thread
« Reply #908 on: 08/10/2014 03:48 pm »
Pictures found on Twitter (ShuttleAlmanac), showing what is accordingly a 1:3 scale model of OK-GLI.
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Re: The Buran Thread
« Reply #909 on: 09/11/2014 03:52 am »
Buran - Russia's Abandoned Space Shuttles

Published on Sep 10, 2014
by: The Air Show

Rewind Wednesday. This episode: Buran - the 'one hit wonder' of the Soviets space program.



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Re: The Buran Thread
« Reply #910 on: 10/23/2014 09:46 am »
Some nice photos from Pavel Vinogradov facebook page
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Re: The Buran Thread
« Reply #911 on: 11/29/2014 12:37 pm »
A picture of the pure-white Buran on pad.

Is it OK-ML1 (the one which is now in Baykonur museum) ?
« Last Edit: 11/29/2014 12:40 pm by Nicolas PILLET »
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Re: The Buran Thread
« Reply #912 on: 12/01/2014 09:35 am »
A picture of the pure-white Buran on pad.

Is it OK-ML1 (the one which is now in Baykonur museum) ?

My understanding is that the "all-white" Buran test model is OK-MT (also known as vehicle 4M, 4MT or 0.04). It does have a black nose cap and black tiles around the entry hatch. It currently resides in the Assembly and Fuelling Building (MZK), where it sits next to the second flight vehicle. The OK-ML1 vehicle (also known as 1M, OK-M and 0.01) had black tiles on the lower part of the forward fuselage (but no black tiles around the entry hatch). It was repainted after being moved to its current location near the Baikonur museum in 2007.

Although the picture is not clear enough to tell for sure, I also have the impression this is the "all-white" vehicle, in other words OK-MT. The picture was clearly taken during the late spring or summer. According to information from Boris Gubanov's memoirs, the OK-MT vehicle was on pad 37 from 5 May until 14 May 1987 and also from 28 May until 29 June 1987, so my best guess is that the picture was taken somewhere between late May and late June 1987. However, I should add that there is a lot of conflicting information on roll-out and roll-back dates for the Buran test models. Apparently, most of the documentation concerning these vehicles has gone missing or been destroyed, making it difficult to accurately reproduce their history.



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Re: The Buran Thread
« Reply #913 on: 01/29/2015 09:26 pm »
Just stumbled on this one.  I don't think it provides any more that what we know, but  there may be some new views.

Russian Buran SPACECRAFT Russia's version of US NASA Space shuttle.

Published on Sep 4, 2014
The Buran spacecraft was the Russian version of the US NASA space shuttle. The Buran spacecraft (Russian: Бура́н, IPA: [bʊˈran], Snowstorm or Blizzard), GRAU index 11F35 K1 was a Soviet orbital vehicle analogous in function and design to the US Space Shuttle and developed by Chief Designer Gleb Lozino-Lozinskiy of RKK Energia. Buran completed one unmanned spaceflight in 1988 and remains the only Soviet space shuttle that was launched into space, as the Buran programme was cancelled in 1993. It was treated as a Soviet space shuttle but only the plane itself was theoretically reusable (and in fact, it was never reused). The main part of the system was just an expendable powerful rocket - Energia.

A Buran spacecraft was destroyed in 2002 at the Baikonur Cosmodrome, when the hangar in which it was stored collapsed.[3]
The Buran orbital vehicle program was developed in response to the U.S. Space Shuttle program, which in the 1980s raised considerable concerns among the Soviet military and especially Defense Minister Dmitriy Ustinov. An authoritative biographer of the Russian space program, academic Boris Chertok, recounts how the program came into being.[4][full citation needed] According to Chertok, after the U.S. developed its Space Shuttle program, the Soviet military became suspicious that it could be used for military purposes, due to its enormous payload, several times that of previous U.S. spaceships. The Soviet government asked the TsNIIMash (ЦНИИМАШ, Central Institute of Machine-building, a major player in defense analysis) for an expert opinion. Institute director, Yuri Mozzhorin, recalls that for a long time the institute could not envisage a civilian payload large enough to require a vehicle of that capacity. Based on this, as well as on US profitability analyses of that time, which showed that the Space Shuttle would be economically efficient only with a large number of launches (one every week or so), Mozzhorin concluded that the vehicle had a military purpose, although he was unable to say exactly what. The Soviet program was further boosted after Defense Minister Ustinov received a report from analysts showing that, at least in theory, the Space Shuttle could be used to deploy nuclear bombs over Soviet territory. Chertok recounts that Ustinov was so worried by the possibility that he made the Soviet response program a top priority.[citation needed]
Russia Listeni/ˈrʌʃə/ or /ˈrʊʃə/ (Russian: Россия, tr. Rossiya, IPA: [rɐˈsʲijə] ( listen)), also officially known as the Russian Federation[10] (Russian: Российская Федерация, tr. Rossiyskaya Federatsiya, IPA: [rɐˈsʲijskəjə fʲɪdʲɪˈrat͡sɨjə] ( listen)), is a country in northern Eurasia.[11] It is a federal semi-presidential republic, comprising 83 federal subjects. From northwest to southeast, Russia shares land borders with Norway, Finland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and Poland (both with Kaliningrad Oblast), Belarus, Ukraine, Georgia, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, China, Mongolia, and North Korea. It shares maritime borders with Japan by the Sea of Okhotsk and the US state of Alaska across the Bering Strait. At 17,075,400 square kilometres (6,592,800 sq mi), Russia is the largest country in the world, covering more than one-eighth of the Earth's inhabited land area. Russia is also the world's ninth most populous nation with 143 million people as of 2012.[12] Extending across the entirety of northern Asia and much of Eastern Europe, Russia spans nine time zones and incorporates a wide range of environments and landforms.
The National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA) is the agency of the United States government that is responsible for the nation's civilian space program and for aeronautics and aerospace research.

President Dwight D. Eisenhower established the National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA) in 1958[5] with a distinctly civilian (rather than military) orientation encouraging peaceful applications in space science. The National Aeronautics and Space Act was passed on July 29, 1958, disestablishing NASA's predecessor, the National Advisory Committee for Aeronautics (NACA). The new agency became operational on October 1, 1958.[6][7]

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Re: The Buran Thread
« Reply #914 on: 04/20/2015 10:15 pm »
Buran Building with no roof.....  :'(  from Aleksandr Zheleznyakov facebook page.

Oh wow! I had no idea they had left it like this. How tragic. Does anyone know when exactly the roof structure collapsed?

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Re: The Buran Thread
« Reply #915 on: 04/20/2015 10:19 pm »
Buran Building with no roof.....  :'(  from Aleksandr Zheleznyakov facebook page.

Oh wow! I had no idea they had left it like this. How tragic. Does anyone know when exactly the roof structure collapsed?

2002 http://www.russianspaceweb.com/buran.html

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Re: The Buran Thread
« Reply #916 on: 06/04/2015 06:03 pm »
Via Forum de la Conquete Spatiale: http://ralphmirebs.livejournal.com/219949.html

Brings a tear to your eye...

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Re: The Buran Thread
« Reply #917 on: 06/04/2015 06:36 pm »
Via Forum de la Conquete Spatiale: http://ralphmirebs.livejournal.com/219949.html

Brings a tear to your eye...

So sad! And very wrong! :(
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Re: The Buran Thread
« Reply #918 on: 06/04/2015 06:56 pm »
How could they be allowed to get into such a state.:(

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Re: The Buran Thread
« Reply #919 on: 06/04/2015 07:56 pm »
How could they be allowed to get into such a state.:(

Money. The United States is rich. We've got a lot of money to spend on things that are not necessities, including museums and historic artifacts. As a result the U.S. is pretty good at preserving its aviation and space heritage. Nevertheless, even in the U.S. some things get neglected. The remaining Saturn V's were all rotting in the elements for decades before money was raised to preserve them indoors. But even today there is a first stage (S-IC) sitting exposed in Louisiana. Who is going to find the money to restore and protect that? Similarly, the first Boeing 747 was deteriorating for a very long time not very far from a major Boeing facility. Only recently has it been restored.

Russia doesn't have a lot of money, and Buran was a failed program with some really big artifacts that were not located in Russia. It's easy to understand how they abandoned the hardware.

 

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