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Maiden - Daerwen-1 - Jiuquan? - 2025
« on: 11/27/2023 08:51 am »
“达尔文一号”液体运载火箭2025年中实现箭首飞
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"Darwin 1" liquid launch vehicle will achieve its first flight in mid-2025

"Darwin 1" is a two-stage small liquid launch vehicle independently developed by the rocket group based on the launch requirements of biological satellite constellations, with the guiding ideology of "satellite-rocket integration" to meet the launch capability of "one rocket, multiple satellites".

▲Total arrow length: 24m
▲Full arrow diameter: 1.4m
▲Takeoff mass: 21.4t
▲Takeoff thrust: 30t
▲LEO maximum carrying capacity: 300kg

Level 1: Level 1 uses five 6t liquid oxygen methane electric pump supercharging engines (Shannon) connected in parallel. Among them, the 6t liquid oxygen methane electric pump supercharging engine is the world's largest thrust electric pump supercharging engine.

Level 2: A 4t vacuum version liquid oxygen methane electric pump booster engine (vacuum version Shannon)

The "Darwin 1" liquid launch vehicle has the characteristics of rapid response, low cost, standardization, and flightability. It is planned to complete the final assembly and launch in 2025.

▲First flight will be achieved in mid-2025
▲The first commercial rocket flight will be achieved in 2026
▲Realize commercial batch launch in 2027

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Re: Maiden - Daerwen-1 - Jiuquan? - 2025
« Reply #1 on: 11/27/2023 09:24 am »
You should notice that the information about "Darwin 1" and "Darwin 2" is mixed up in this promotional webpage, which is very confusing. It is more likely that the rocket that will take off in 2025 will be called "Darwin 2".
I think what is more noteworthy is that this company has chosen to switch from outsourcing engines to producing them themselves. However, I personally believe that without further financing, it will be difficult for this type of company to enter the orbiting stage.

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Re: Maiden - Daerwen-1 - Jiuquan? - 2025
« Reply #2 on: 11/27/2023 10:11 am »
You should notice that the information about "Darwin 1" and "Darwin 2" is mixed up in this promotional webpage, which is very confusing. It is more likely that the rocket that will take off in 2025 will be called "Darwin 2".
I think what is more noteworthy is that this company has chosen to switch from outsourcing engines to producing them themselves. However, I personally believe that without further financing, it will be difficult for this type of company to enter the orbiting stage.
Check Here, you will find Chinese as below:
火箭派是国内最具代表性的「星箭一体化」企业,商业航天2.0的引领者。以先进制造业的理念升级火 箭与航天器研发制造,用现代服务业的理念服务客户。公司围绕运载火箭核心能力,让空间微重力环境触 手可及,通过“太空升级地球产业”的方式,形成商业闭环。核心产品包括小型液体运载火箭、大推力电动泵发动机、返回式卫星等。
由火箭派研制的国内首个商业空间生物载荷“火种一号”已于2021年12月17日成功首飞,国内首个商 业空间生命科学试验卫星“火炬一号”已于2022年12月9日成功首飞,首型液体运载火箭“达尔文一号”计 划2025年首飞。
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Rocketry is the most representative "Star-Arrow Integration" enterprise in China and the leader of Commercial Aerospace 2.0. Upgrade rocket and spacecraft R&D and manufacturing with the concept of advanced manufacturing, and serve customers with the concept of modern service industry. The company focuses on the core capabilities of launch vehicles, making the space microgravity environment within reach, and forming a closed business loop through "upgrading earth industries in space". Core products include small liquid launch vehicles, high-thrust electric pump engines, returnable satellites, etc.
  China's first commercial space biological payload "Huozhong 1" developed by Rocket School successfully made its first flight on December 17, 2021, and China's first commercial space life science experimental satellite "Torch 1" launched on December 9, 2022. The first successful flight of the liquid launch vehicle "Darwin" was planned for 2025.
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Re: Maiden - Daerwen-1 - Jiuquan? - 2025
« Reply #3 on: 11/27/2023 11:06 am »
You should notice that the information about "Darwin 1" and "Darwin 2" is mixed up in this promotional webpage, which is very confusing. It is more likely that the rocket that will take off in 2025 will be called "Darwin 2".
I think what is more noteworthy is that this company has chosen to switch from outsourcing engines to producing them themselves. However, I personally believe that without further financing, it will be difficult for this type of company to enter the orbiting stage.
Check Here, you will find Chinese as below:
火箭派是国内最具代表性的「星箭一体化」企业,商业航天2.0的引领者。以先进制造业的理念升级火 箭与航天器研发制造,用现代服务业的理念服务客户。公司围绕运载火箭核心能力,让空间微重力环境触 手可及,通过“太空升级地球产业”的方式,形成商业闭环。核心产品包括小型液体运载火箭、大推力电动泵发动机、返回式卫星等。
由火箭派研制的国内首个商业空间生物载荷“火种一号”已于2021年12月17日成功首飞,国内首个商 业空间生命科学试验卫星“火炬一号”已于2022年12月9日成功首飞,首型液体运载火箭“达尔文一号”计 划2025年首飞。
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Rocketry is the most representative "Star-Arrow Integration" enterprise in China and the leader of Commercial Aerospace 2.0. Upgrade rocket and spacecraft R&D and manufacturing with the concept of advanced manufacturing, and serve customers with the concept of modern service industry. The company focuses on the core capabilities of launch vehicles, making the space microgravity environment within reach, and forming a closed business loop through "upgrading earth industries in space". Core products include small liquid launch vehicles, high-thrust electric pump engines, returnable satellites, etc.
  China's first commercial space biological payload "Huozhong 1" developed by Rocket School successfully made its first flight on December 17, 2021, and China's first commercial space life science experimental satellite "Torch 1" launched on December 9, 2022. The first successful flight of the liquid launch vehicle "Darwin" was planned for 2025.

You may want to learn how to read Chinese systematically. This webpage has many contradictions. I don't think it has high reference value. This is not difficult to find.But it's not important. I think the probability of this company going bankrupt before it achieves true orbital launch is more than two-thirds.

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Re: Maiden - Daerwen-1 - Jiuquan? - 2025
« Reply #4 on: 11/27/2023 12:55 pm »
You should notice that the information about "Darwin 1" and "Darwin 2" is mixed up in this promotional webpage, which is very confusing. It is more likely that the rocket that will take off in 2025 will be called "Darwin 2".

Yes, the first Rocket Pi rocket to launch has been announced as "Darwin 2":

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去年底,火箭派发射了国内首个商业生物载荷。今年12月9日,该公司发射了中国首颗商业航天空间生命科学试验卫星
下一步,火箭派将把重点转向液体火箭,计划发射国内首枚星箭一体化液体运载火箭“达尔文二号”

At the end of last year, Rocket Pai launched China’s first commercial biological payload. On December 9 this year, the company launched China's first commercial aerospace life science test satellite.

In the next step, the rocket faction will turn its focus to liquid rockets and plans to launch the country's first star-rocket integrated liquid launch vehicle "Darwin 2".
https://www.163.com/dy/article/HP3LR67F0534A4SC.html

And I agree that this is a rather fishy project with little chance to ever reach space.
« Last Edit: 11/27/2023 01:06 pm by PM3 »
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Re: Maiden - Daerwen-1 - Jiuquan? - 2025
« Reply #5 on: 11/27/2023 01:02 pm »
You should notice that the information about "Darwin 1" and "Darwin 2" is mixed up in this promotional webpage, which is very confusing. It is more likely that the rocket that will take off in 2025 will be called "Darwin 2".

Yes, the first Rocket Pi rocket to launch has been announced as "Darwin 2":

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下一步,火箭派将把重点转向液体火箭,计划发射国内首枚星箭一体化液体运载火箭“达尔文二号”
https://www.163.com/dy/article/HP3LR67F0534A4SC.html

And I agree that this is a rather fishy project with little chance to ever reach space.

For the commercial aerospace industry, it is not wise to take the timetable and PPT of a few years later seriously, which applies to almost all companies

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