Author Topic: Rokot launch with Gonets-M2 and two Kosmos satellites - September 8, 2010 (Read 23437 times)

anik · « **on:** 12/01/2009 06:17 pm »

http://www.npopm.ru/?cid=news&nid=846&ses=3187c5f34b15587b0c2e8

Gonets-M No. 2 satellite is preparing for departing to Plesetsk cosmodrome in December.

Images:
http://www.npopm.ru/images/Image/news_npopm/2009/12/011209-1b.jpg
http://www.npopm.ru/images/Image/news_npopm/2009/12/011209-2b.jpg

anik · « **Reply #1 on:** 12/09/2009 05:55 pm »

According to http://www.rian.ru/science/20091209/198218259.html two Gonets-M satellites will be launched in February 2010.

Zipi · « **Reply #2 on:** 03/01/2010 05:56 pm »

Any news about this? February has gone and no Rockot/Gonets launch seen yet. :-)

eeergo · « **Reply #3 on:** 03/01/2010 06:31 pm »

It was delayed a couple of weeks ago:

http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=1133.msg545979#msg545979

Space Pete · « **Reply #4 on:** 08/07/2010 03:33 pm »

Roscosmos PAO: "Gonets-M Prelaunch Processing Begins at Plesetsk".

Prelaunch processing of the Rockot launcher which is to loft Gonets-M spacecraft, commenced in Plesetsk.
Pneumatic tests of the upper stage, standalone testing of the onboard measurement system, electrical tests of the upper stage with the boosters have been already completed.
Currently, ground facilities at the launch pad are prepared for the upcoming launch. The upper stage and the fairing are to be delivered to the pad in the nearest future for integration with the boosters.
Gonets-M is intended to provide digital user terminal GLONASS positioning data, as well as electronic mail services, RIA Novosti informs.

www.roscosmos.ru/main.php?id=2&nid=10036&lang=en

Nicolas PILLET · « **Reply #5 on:** 08/18/2010 04:37 pm »

The preparation for this launch has begun.

http://en.rian.ru/science/20100818/160246322.html

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The Plesetsk space center in northern Russia is about to complete pre-launch preparations of the Rokot carrier rocket, scheduled to blast off in early September, a defense ministry spokesman said on Wednesday.

The rocket is expected to deliver into orbit the Gonets-M satellite to be used in Russia's Glonass satellite navigation project.

"Simultaneously, the launch complex's ground-based equipment is being prepared, and the spacecraft's performance check is being conducted," Lt. Col. Alexei Zolotukhin said.

mmeijeri · « **Reply #6 on:** 08/18/2010 04:52 pm »

Rokot launch with Gonets - sometimes truth is stranger than fiction and sometimes things don't get lost, but added in translation.

anik · « **Reply #7 on:** 08/26/2010 08:30 pm »

According to Novosti kosmonavtiki forum, the launch is planned at 03:30 UTC on September 8th.

Space Pete · « **Reply #8 on:** 08/30/2010 03:05 pm »

Rockot Prelaunch Processing: Final Stages.

Rockot launcher undergoes processing for the lift off from Plesetsk with Gonets-M spacecraft aboard in early September.
The spacecraft is mated with the Breeze-KM upper stage. Fairing incapsulation will be the next stage, to be followed by integration with the booster unit at launch pad.
Gonets-M spacecraft maintain digital data transfer, GLONASS positioning data, as well as e-mail services, RIA Novosti informs.

www.roscosmos.ru/main.php?id=2&nid=10205&lang=en

ostangen · « **Reply #9 on:** 09/02/2010 09:50 am »

Launch window from 8-11 sept between 0305z-0400z each day.

Salo · « **Reply #10 on:** 09/07/2010 02:27 pm »

http://en.rian.ru/science/20100906/160491270.html

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21:18 06/09/2010
A Russian Rokot carrier rocket will take off from the Plesetsk space center in northern Russia on September 8 to put a Gonets-M satellite into orbit, a Defense Ministry spokesman said on Monday.

Pre-launch preparations are currently being completed at the space center in the Arkhangelsk region, Lt. Col. Alexander Zolotukhin said.

Space Pete · « **Reply #11 on:** 09/07/2010 09:30 pm »

Rocket/Gonets-M to be Launched on September 8.

Rockot launcher undergoes processing for the lift off from Plesetsk with Gonets-M spacecraft aboard in early September.
On September 1, the LVs upper composite was delivered to the launch pad and integrated with the Rockot boosters.
Electrical tests of the stack were performed on Tuesday.
The launch is slated for Sept. 8.
Gonets-M spacecraft maintain digital data transfer, GLONASS positioning data, as well as e-mail services, RIA Novosti informs.

Source.

Chris Bergin · « **Reply #12 on:** 09/07/2010 10:13 pm »

Published a launch preview:

http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2010/09/russian-rockot-launch-vehicle-gonets-m-satellite-to-orbit/

Chris Bergin · « **Reply #13 on:** 09/08/2010 03:17 am »

Ok, if our Russian friends could look out for confirmation of launch, I'd appreciate it.

Chris Bergin · « **Reply #14 on:** 09/08/2010 04:10 am »

Launched

http://en.rian.ru/science/20100908/160510604.html

sammie · « **Reply #15 on:** 09/08/2010 07:25 am »

Chris or others

How does the Gonets satellite fit in the Glonass system. They operate in different orbits and perform different functions. At least thats what I understood from Gunters page on Strela and Gonets?

How are these two projects intertwined?

Salo · « **Reply #16 on:** 09/08/2010 07:44 am »

Two military satellites are Kosmos 2467 and Kosmos 2468 according this source:
http://www.rian.ru/science/20100908/273506658.html

Skyrocket · « **Reply #17 on:** 09/08/2010 08:28 am »

Quote from: Salo on 09/08/2010 07:44 am

Two military satellites are Kosmos 2467 and Kosmos 2468 according this source:
http://www.rian.ru/science/20100908/273506658.html

These are either Strela-3 or Rodnik satellites.

Skyrocket · « **Reply #18 on:** 09/08/2010 09:21 am »

Quote from: sammie on 09/08/2010 07:25 am

Chris or others

How does the Gonets satellite fit in the Glonass system. They operate in different orbits and perform different functions. At least thats what I understood from Gunters page on Strela and Gonets?

How are these two projects intertwined?

They aren't!

The report mixed Gonets-M with GLONASS-M, but these systems are completly different. Gonets-M is a low earth orbit store-dump communication system, while GLONASS is a intermediate orbit navigation system.

Chris Bergin · « **Reply #19 on:** 09/08/2010 12:36 pm »

Quote from: Skyrocket on 09/08/2010 09:21 am

Quote from: sammie on 09/08/2010 07:25 am
Chris or others

How does the Gonets satellite fit in the Glonass system. They operate in different orbits and perform different functions. At least thats what I understood from Gunters page on Strela and Gonets?

How are these two projects intertwined?

They aren't!

The report mixed Gonets-M with GLONASS-M, but these systems are completly different. Gonets-M is a low earth orbit store-dump communication system, while GLONASS is a intermediate orbit navigation system.

So Gonets-M has no relation to GLONASS, despite all the Russian reports saying it is, and none of our Russian friends on here correcting it?

What the heck, even Rosmoskos has "the Gonets-M satellite is intended to provide digital user terminal GLONASS positioning data, as well as electronic mail services"

Changing the article, but that's absolutely unbelievable and very unprofessional of them when you can't even trust the Russian Space Agency's own site. Thanks Gunter!

jcm · « **Reply #20 on:** 09/08/2010 02:08 pm »

Quote from: Chris Bergin on 09/08/2010 12:36 pm

Quote from: Skyrocket on 09/08/2010 09:21 am
Quote from: sammie on 09/08/2010 07:25 am
Chris or others

How does the Gonets satellite fit in the Glonass system. They operate in different orbits and perform different functions. At least thats what I understood from Gunters page on Strela and Gonets?

How are these two projects intertwined?

They aren't!

The report mixed Gonets-M with GLONASS-M, but these systems are completly different. Gonets-M is a low earth orbit store-dump communication system, while GLONASS is a intermediate orbit navigation system.

So Gonets-M has no relation to GLONASS, despite all the Russian reports saying it is, and none of our Russian friends on here correcting it?

What the heck, even Rosmoskos has "the Gonets-M satellite is intended to provide digital user terminal GLONASS positioning data, as well as electronic mail services"

Changing the article, but that's absolutely unbelievable and very unprofessional of them when you can't even trust the Russian Space Agency's own site. Thanks Gunter!

The Roskosmos page is just a "here's what other news services are saying about us" page, although they don't make that very clear.
The only official statement I can see is
http://www.roscosmos.ru/main.php?id=2&nid=10288
from Khrunichev PAO, which doesn't say anything about the payload.

I did wonder if Gonets might have some kind of Glonass *receiver* on board that could be used as an augmentation system of some kind... but we certainly haven't heard of this before. Gunter's assumption that Novosti has just stuffed it up completely is also plausible.

jcm · « **Reply #21 on:** 09/08/2010 02:18 pm »

OK, now I see http://www.khrunichev.ru/main.php?id=1&nid=1797 - a press release from the launch service provider Khrunichev which makes the statement about the user terminals getting GLONASS data. Now Khrunichev don't make the payload, but I would not expect them to get this wrong (I would actually trust them more than Roskosmos in fact). I think this is the source of the other (Novosti-RIAN news agency) story. So I'm back to leaning on the idea that Gonets-M has some kind of payload that augments Glonass in some way. Russian friends? Hello?

Chris Bergin · « **Reply #22 on:** 09/08/2010 02:29 pm »

Thanks for looking into that. As soon as I saw Gunter's comment, I wiped all reference to GLONASS out of the article. Best action considering!

jcm · « **Reply #23 on:** 09/08/2010 02:33 pm »

The other possibility is that it's like Orbcomm. You can imagine that if you have a Glonass receiver on your lorry, which sends an encoded message to a dedicated transponder on Gonets, Gonets then relays that Glonass data (saying where your lorry is) back to headquarters, at the cost of very very few bytes (so cheap).

Or, with a Glonass receiver on each Gonets, the *Gonets* satellites can know where *they* are and (with degraded accuracy) send out a Glonass-compatible signal, this is the 'augmentation' idea.

If the Russian's have not in fact done either of these things with Gonets, they should, and I'd like 5 percent of the gross please.

Nicolas PILLET · « **Reply #24 on:** 09/08/2010 04:20 pm »

Any idea of serial numbers of launcher and upper stage ?

Do you know the official designation of Gonets-M satellites ?

koroljow · « **Reply #25 on:** 09/08/2010 04:38 pm »

There is apparently some kind of relationship between Gonets-D1 and GLONASS. My Russian isn't good enough - so here only a machine translation from http://www.gonets.ru/?page=4

Determination of coordinates
Subscribers are offered a way to define your own geographic coordinates for the signals of the GPS / «Glonass». When incorporated into a subscriber terminal board GPS-receiver provides accuracy up to 100 meters.

Satori · « **Reply #26 on:** 09/08/2010 05:25 pm »

Quote from: Nicolas PILLET on 09/08/2010 04:20 pm

Any idea of serial numbers of launcher and upper stage ?

Rokot/Briz-KM (6309793567/72514)

Salo · « **Reply #27 on:** 09/08/2010 06:22 pm »

Video:
http://tv-zvezda.ru/news/russia/content/s_kosmodroma_plesetsk_uspeshno_0809.html

anik · « **Reply #28 on:** 09/10/2010 04:54 pm »

According to http://www.rosles-re.ru/files/file/100910_Gonets_Launch.pdf, two Kosmos satellites are Strela-3 and Rodnik satellites.

jcm · « **Reply #29 on:** 09/11/2010 05:40 am »

Quote from: anik on 09/10/2010 04:54 pm

According to http://www.rosles-re.ru/files/file/100910_Gonets_Launch.pdf, two Kosmos satellites are Strela-3 and Rodnik satellites.

Nice find!

ostangen · « **Reply #30 on:** 09/11/2010 06:35 am »

Launch photo found here: http://www.gonets.ru/news.php

Nicolas PILLET · « **Reply #31 on:** 09/12/2010 04:22 pm »

Quote from: jcm on 09/11/2010 05:40 am

Quote from: anik on 09/10/2010 04:54 pm
According to http://www.rosles-re.ru/files/file/100910_Gonets_Launch.pdf, two Kosmos satellites are Strela-3 and Rodnik satellites.

Nice find!

Well done anik !
Last enigma : which one is Strela-3, and which one is Rodnik ?