@elonmusk'Repairs almost done on the spaceport drone ship and have given it the name "Just Read the Instructions"'@elonmusk'...In honor of IMB, RIP.'Whatever.... still 2 weeks to wait
Okay, so as a result of the discussion here, I'm reading my first Culture book - I'd missed that series, somehow. But I'm surprised that the Culture, which incorporates high level AI minds, would be used as the template for ships Elon (who has voiced deep skepticism of the wisdom of unleashing high level AI minds) has named.Maybe I'll understand better after a day of reading while son is snowboarding ...
Okay, so as a result of the discussion here, I'm reading my first Culture book
In the original thread was this comment:Quote from: OxCartMark on Today at 09:28 AM "So where would be a likely port location for ~Love?"That question gave me a bit of deja vu... I am tempted to consider using the trite nickname "Love Boat" but understand full well the potential misdirection of the nickname "Lovecraft."
Dragon related Benden Weyr
Quote from: Eer on 01/25/2015 01:52 pmOkay, so as a result of the discussion here, I'm reading my first Culture book - I'd missed that series, somehow. But I'm surprised that the Culture, which incorporates high level AI minds, would be used as the template for ships Elon (who has voiced deep skepticism of the wisdom of unleashing high level AI minds) has named.Maybe I'll understand better after a day of reading while son is snowboarding ...Quite probably because they are just really fun names.
Quote from: Cherokee43v6 on 01/25/2015 01:36 amDragon related Benden WeyrGwynne has got to love this idea; name the Launch Complex Boca Chica Weyr, and each Pad(s) is a Dragon Lair appropriately named at the time ;-) of course then there is the naming of the MCC and other buildings... She could have a ball, frustrating Elon with the names ;-) Come on Gwynne... IRISH GIRRRRL POWERRRR!!! Gramps, Tapping into his Irish roots
Quote from: cro-magnon gramps on 01/25/2015 09:50 pmQuote from: Cherokee43v6 on 01/25/2015 01:36 amDragon related Benden WeyrGwynne has got to love this idea; name the Launch Complex Boca Chica Weyr, and each Pad(s) is a Dragon Lair appropriately named at the time ;-) of course then there is the naming of the MCC and other buildings... She could have a ball, frustrating Elon with the names ;-) Come on Gwynne... IRISH GIRRRRL POWERRRR!!! Gramps, Tapping into his Irish roots Hmmm, by your logic gramps that means the 4000+ ElonSat constellation should be called MoretaNet
Red Mars, Green Mars, Blue Mars? Nope, that's Kim Stanley Robinson.
For a really rich collection of stuff to name, how about naming each of the 4000+ satellites of the SpaceX constellation. For a start how about a name for the whole system. I think the obvious name is Skynet since it's so dead on descriptive. The Terminator killer AI reference just makes it more interesting.
Quote from: Ludus on 01/27/2015 04:47 amFor a really rich collection of stuff to name, how about naming each of the 4000+ satellites of the SpaceX constellation. For a start how about a name for the whole system. I think the obvious name is Skynet since it's so dead on descriptive. The Terminator killer AI reference just makes it more interesting.I'm surprised the name Hypernet hasn't caught on.
I think the obvious name is Skynet since it's so dead on descriptive. The Terminator killer AI reference just makes it more interesting.
But the images are not identical, look at the person between the yellow and white rings, he/she moved, and the other person at the far right of the deck. Granted it's hard to believe the words could be pained in such a short time that the shadows have not changed substantially.
Musk seems to have a love of various sci-fi franchises.While it seems like Falcon rocket family was named after the Millenium Falcon of Star Wars fame, I think it would be cool if the first pair of ASDS ships could be named Daedalus and Prometheus:Then mission controllers could announce "Daedalus maneuver in 3, 2, 1 ..."
Sadly Musk already name the Atlantic ASDS "Just follow the Instructions" and the Pacific ASDS "Of Course I Still Love You".
Quote from: Zed_Noir on 01/30/2015 04:05 amSadly Musk already name the Atlantic ASDS "Just follow the Instructions" and the Pacific ASDS "Of Course I Still Love You".Somehow that sounds Python-esque What do those names actually refer to?
Given what happened on its first mission, maybe Only Slightly Bent (from The State of the Art) would have been more apt than Just Read the Instructions.
Okay, so as a result of the discussion here, I'm reading my first Culture book - I'd missed that series, somehow. But I'm surprised that the Culture, which incorporates high level AI minds, would be used as the template for ships Elon (who has voiced deep skepticism of the wisdom of unleashing high levesl AI minds) has named.Maybe I'll understand better after a day of reading while son is snowboarding ...
Quote from: Zed_Noir on 01/30/2015 04:05 amSadly Musk already name the Atlantic ASDS "Just follow the Instructions" and the Pacific ASDS "Of Course I Still Love You".Sadly?The names are brilliant!Joining:Millennium FalconPuff the Magic DragonDon't see the (staid) competition laughing anymore, though.
322989#msg1322989 [/url]The images look like they were taken several seconds apart. Clearly, this is evidence that SpaceX has achieved an earth-shaking technical breakthrough in high-speed-ship-name-painting technology.
<snip>The images look like they were taken several seconds apart. Clearly, this is evidence that SpaceX has achieved an earth-shaking technical breakthrough in high-speed-ship-name-painting technology.
A simple and descriptive yet elegant name for the barge would be bob. If Elon wanted to credit me with coming up with it they could call it the Bobr.
Oh, and speaking of barge names, while I heartily agree with Elon Musk's choice of names (despite the above post) I *do* hope that none of his barges meet with any (ahem) Special Circumstances, as despite the best of intentions things to tend to go pear-shaped when such are invoked!
These are the awesomely nerdy names Elon Musk chose for his rocket-catching drone ships
Culture Minds have a tendency to give themselves flippant names, and here's where Musk may have drawn his inspiration. Both "Just Read The Instructions" and "Of Course I Still Love You" are names of Minds in Banks' "The Player of Games," a very enjoyable novel in which the Culture works to undermine a stagnant and brutal dictatorship whose leadership is determined by the outcome of a complicated strategy game.
New article about naming:QuoteThese are the awesomely nerdy names Elon Musk chose for his rocket-catching drone shipsQuoteCulture Minds have a tendency to give themselves flippant names, and here's where Musk may have drawn his inspiration. Both "Just Read The Instructions" and "Of Course I Still Love You" are names of Minds in Banks' "The Player of Games"
Culture Minds have a tendency to give themselves flippant names, and here's where Musk may have drawn his inspiration. Both "Just Read The Instructions" and "Of Course I Still Love You" are names of Minds in Banks' "The Player of Games"
Quote from: CJ on 01/30/2015 02:15 am<snip>The images look like they were taken several seconds apart. Clearly, this is evidence that SpaceX has achieved an earth-shaking technical breakthrough in high-speed-ship-name-painting technology. CJ you clearly haven't been paying enough attention. Whether you want to call the barge a ship or not, there's no way it qualifies as "high-speed". Or maybe you've just been overly promiscuous with your hyphens. The picture's definitely not evidence of a breakthrough in "high-speed-ship name-painting," as the Just Read the Instructions is only moderately faster than a kayak rowed by my 89 year old grandmother. So I guess you must have meant it was a breakthrough in "high-speed, ship-name painting" or maybe "high-speed, ship name-painting". I'm not entirely sure what the difference between those last two is. And one of them might not be correct English anyways.
Quote from: CJ on 01/30/2015 02:15 am<snip>The images look like they were taken several seconds apart. Clearly, this is evidence that SpaceX has achieved an earth-shaking technical breakthrough in high-speed-ship-name-painting technology. CJ you clearly haven't been paying enough attention. Whether you want to call the barge a ship or not, there's no way it qualifies as "high-speed".
I think Elon almost had the perfect name for the east coast ASDS but missed it by that much ..the same book, but a different ship name ..."Limiting Factor"I'm reading "The Player of Games" and I just realized that in light of the last F9 landing attempt being cancelled because the ASDS wasn't able to handle the weather conditions the ship should have obviously been named after the GOU Limiting Factor !
Posted in the spirit of fun and, yes, respect for what SpaceX is trying to do (which I'm confident they WILL do).An image inspired by the track record of the ASDS barge's bad luck for getting damaged on the two landing recovery trips it has made so far .....Larger image link: http://i.imgur.com/7nXJmFG.jpgAnyone who does not get it, the reference is from "The Mister Bill Show" short clips on SNL in the late 1970's. BAD (usually violent) things always happened to Mister Bill......Wiki: http://snl.wikia.com/wiki/Mr._BillFor an example episode, Google "Mister Bill youtube Karate" (I would post a link to the video but when I did it created a youtube viewing window that I didn't want to display in this post).- George Gassaway
This brings me to gender issues. Is ASDS JRtI properly referred to as a he, a she, or an it?
Quote from: CJ on 02/22/2015 07:10 pmThis brings me to gender issues. Is ASDS JRtI properly referred to as a he, a she, or an it? Next time the Fascination takes a turn leaving port, why don't you try to zoom in and find out?
Okay, we now know for a fact (Multiple video sources) that the ship's name, Just Read the Instructions, is now painted on deck. I'm a bit surprised that the name is painted on deck and not on the bows and stern (where it traditionally is on ships), but, due to ASDS JRtI's rectangularish flat-bottmonedish flat-toppedish hull form, plus the fact that it'll be photographed more often from above, the location makes sense to me. Plus, it'll look great with an F9 in the middle.
Quote from: CJ on 02/22/2015 07:10 pmOkay, we now know for a fact (Multiple video sources) that the ship's name, Just Read the Instructions, is now painted on deck. I'm a bit surprised that the name is painted on deck and not on the bows and stern (where it traditionally is on ships), but, due to ASDS JRtI's rectangularish flat-bottmonedish flat-toppedish hull form, plus the fact that it'll be photographed more often from above, the location makes sense to me. Plus, it'll look great with an F9 in the middle. The name painted on top is tongue in cheek message to landing rockets. Idem with OCISLY.
Quote from: Cinder on 02/22/2015 08:32 pmQuote from: CJ on 02/22/2015 07:10 pmOkay, we now know for a fact (Multiple video sources) that the ship's name, Just Read the Instructions, is now painted on deck. I'm a bit surprised that the name is painted on deck and not on the bows and stern (where it traditionally is on ships), but, due to ASDS JRtI's rectangularish flat-bottmonedish flat-toppedish hull form, plus the fact that it'll be photographed more often from above, the location makes sense to me. Plus, it'll look great with an F9 in the middle. The name painted on top is tongue in cheek message to landing rockets. Idem with OCISLY.The name topside made it a lot easier for for aerial photos and videos. Same goes for the modest SpaceX logo on the landing deck.
This brings me to gender issues. Is ASDS JRtI properly referred to as a he, a she, or an it? Ships and boats are usually, but not always, referred to as "she". This is even true of ones named after men, such as the USS Nimitz or the USS Theodore Roosevelt. A notable exception is Russian practice, where ships are called "he". So, should ASDS JRtI be called "she"? ASDS JRtI can't be a boat (much too large) so that leaves ship as the only possible description, and thus "she"?
The name painted on top is tongue in cheek message to landing rockets. Idem with OCISLY.
Quote from: CJ on 02/22/2015 07:10 pmThis brings me to gender issues. Is ASDS JRtI properly referred to as a he, a she, or an it? Ships and boats are usually, but not always, referred to as "she". This is even true of ones named after men, such as the USS Nimitz or the USS Theodore Roosevelt. A notable exception is Russian practice, where ships are called "he". So, should ASDS JRtI be called "she"? ASDS JRtI can't be a boat (much too large) so that leaves ship as the only possible description, and thus "she"? In Iain M. Banks' series, all the AIs are referred to as neuter: it. Actually, to be more precise, Marain, the language of the culture, doesn't distinguish gender; it's the translation for lower life forms (i.e. us) that uses gender pronouns, and "it" is most appropriate for us. See intro to section 2 of "Player of Games". Since JRtI is autonomous it must count as an AI, albeit a low intelligence one.
Hrmmm, if ASDS JRtI is indeed an AI (And I think you're right on that) I'd advise you to be cautious besmirching its intelligence; if it takes offense, you might find an F9 landing on your roof.
Quote from: CJ on 02/23/2015 02:43 amHrmmm, if ASDS JRtI is indeed an AI (And I think you're right on that) I'd advise you to be cautious besmirching its intelligence; if it takes offense, you might find an F9 landing on your roof. If you had just read the instructions you'd know that's not possible.
Quote from: oiorionsbelt on 02/23/2015 04:01 amQuote from: CJ on 02/23/2015 02:43 amHrmmm, if ASDS JRtI is indeed an AI (And I think you're right on that) I'd advise you to be cautious besmirching its intelligence; if it takes offense, you might find an F9 landing on your roof. If you had just read the instructions you'd know that's not possible.Let's face it - Nobody Reads the Instructions.
TemeraireActual ship name, famous in the Turner painting (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fighting_Temeraire) - Symbolizing the transition from one era to another. And of course dragon related .
Quote from: theebag on 02/23/2015 07:34 amTemeraireActual ship name, famous in the Turner painting (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fighting_Temeraire) - Symbolizing the transition from one era to another. And of course dragon related .Can there be two ships in service with the same name? Because the Temeraire is currently a nuclear submarine french. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_submarine_T%C3%A9m%C3%A9raire_%28S617%29
Quote from: Razer on 02/23/2015 01:42 pmQuote from: theebag on 02/23/2015 07:34 amTemeraireActual ship name, famous in the Turner painting (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fighting_Temeraire) - Symbolizing the transition from one era to another. And of course dragon related .Can there be two ships in service with the same name? Because the Temeraire is currently a nuclear submarine french. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_submarine_T%C3%A9m%C3%A9raire_%28S617%29Sure they can, call sign and IMO number will be different regardlessly. There's for example a tug boat sporting the same name.
Anyway, none of this tradition restricts Elon from naming either a barge or a stage or a capsule anything he wants. As long as he doesn't preface it with USS or HMS, etc., he's in the clear.
Quote from: llanitedave on 02/24/2015 05:07 pmAnyway, none of this tradition restricts Elon from naming either a barge or a stage or a capsule anything he wants. As long as he doesn't preface it with USS or HMS, etc., he's in the clear.Actually, that's not true at all - here's why:The ASDS doesn't meet the definition of 'private vessel' so it must be Registered. The ASDS is registered in the USA by the American Bureau of Shipping as a Deck Cargo Barge under the name "Marmac 300", home port New Orleans LA, Class Number 9837409 - and because it's Registered, the classification society (ie. ABS) governs the rules around how it's built, maintained and operated from the moment it's launched until the day it's either scrapped or sunk. For example, its next hull survey is due in March 2016.To change the name, Elon would need to ask Legal Owner of "Marmac 300" (Marmac Corporation, 8 San Jose Drive, Newport News) to apply to change the 'Registered Name' to JRTI by filling out the appropriate forms, paying the associated fees, changing their leasing documents and hoping the name change is accepted by the authorities...I can tell you from experience that it's far easier to simply paint the new 'unofficial' name on the deck and forget about it.(EDIT: JRTI registration details added.)
I think we already have nice names for the marine hardware (marmac 300/303/304) and for the ships' minds/ASDS roles (JRtI/OCISLY). If we're placing bets, I'd wager that no new names are necessary or officially assigned.
Except that Musk stated that OCISLY was the name of the "West coast ASDS", and by implication JRtI is the name of the "East coast ASDS". The ASDS names are a property of their function; they don't have any relation to the particular hardware used (or so I rationalize).
Quote from: cscott on 06/09/2015 04:56 pmExcept that Musk stated that OCISLY was the name of the "West coast ASDS", and by implication JRtI is the name of the "East coast ASDS". The ASDS names are a property of their function; they don't have any relation to the particular hardware used (or so I rationalize).Perhaps a Gulf Coast ASDS based in Galveston?...and my preference would be "So Much For Subtlety"
If a person gets a heart transplant, are they the same person with the same name? The consensus these days is yes, but there was some debate about that issue in the 1950's, from what I've seen. IMHO, it's the mind that counts, not the hull. (Plus, some of the gear from JRtI V 1.0 looks to have been transferred to the ASDS in JAX)
-Yes, it really is rocket science. (Yes, I know it's rocket engineering, but the cliche is rocket science.)
Hrmmm... about JRtI keeping the same name with a new hull. If a person gets a heart transplant, are they the same person with the same name? The consensus these days is yes, but there was some debate about that issue in the 1950's, from what I've seen. IMHO, it's the mind that counts, not the hull. (Plus, some of the gear from JRtI V 1.0 looks to have been transferred to the ASDS in JAX) At this point, I'd be willing to bet that we'll see "Just Read the Instructions" painted on the Marmac-304-based ASDS in JAX very soon (before CRX-7). I also wouldn't be at all surprised if they use the same font so beloved here on NSF.
Last time it took them an extra day or so between painting the circles and name. The name takes a longer time to lay out before putting the paint down, I guess.
I hope they make a new stencil!
Quote from: cscott on 06/21/2015 12:43 amI hope they make a new stencil!Or just call it the Can' t Kern
Quote from: meekGee on 06/21/2015 02:21 amQuote from: cscott on 06/21/2015 12:43 amI hope they make a new stencil!Or just call it the Can' t KernMy other guess is they may have used single-letter stencils, and just laid them out with all the corners touching. Thus, no kerning. However... IMHO, if JRtI V 1.1 comes parading back into JAX with an intact, upright F9 on deck, I doubt anyone, even in this thread, will be complaining too much about the font.
That's my vote - fixed width stencils. Should be corrected this time around, if they still go through with it.More than anything, going through with it will teach about the severity of Elon's sense of humor.You're right that nobody will care when the rocket comes back, but 2-3 years from now, looking at the historical records, you know, it'll just have to be explained, time and time again, the stencils, the last-minute time crunch... it's just better for everyone if they get it right.
Well, our perceptions of ASDS names just got overturned like, well, a capsizing barge. It's been revealed that the new barge on the east coast is named Of Course I Still Love You, currently waiting for Sunday's launch, leaving the name of the one heading west a bit of a mystery...
Just saw the shots SpaceX released of the ASDS in JAX. Wow! It's really looking great! As for the name, I was stunned to see that this is Of Course I still Love You. I've been, quite wrongly as it turns out, calling this ASDS JRtI V 1.1. I think the addition of the clover is a really great touch! BTW, this ASDS being OCISLY doesn't actually mean that Elon's tweet about it being the West Coast ASDS wasn't spot on; SpaceX simply decided to rename it. Not the ASDS, the West Coast (which now has Georgia, the Carolinas, etc, on it). Heh, actually, my take on that tweet about the names a few months back is that it shows a tendency (second in my interest only to their cost cutting measures) that first caused me to get really interested in SpaceX; if they need to change plans, major or minor, they do it, no matter past statements to the contrary. I call this smart. So, a big "Welcome!" to ASDS OCISLY, a ship I believe will soon make history. But, this leaves us with a greater mystery; there's an ASDS heading for Southern California that we've been assuming is OCISLY. Obviously, it isn't, because OCISLY is here. That SoCal bound ASDS has JRTI's wings, so perhaps it is JRtI. I guess only time (and SpaceX) will tell. But, if that ASDS isn't JRtI, then where is JRtI? Is it now just MArmac 300, retired ASDS.... or, what if the storm damage and age necessitated a rebuild of the Marmac 300, which will be used as a barge for a while until it's time, a few years from now, to make it an ASDS again (for Brownsville)?
(Incidentally, has kerning and typeface ever been such a significant topic of spaceflight discussions?)
Well, we could still see bits of the original lettering on the wing quarters on the deck of MARMAC 303 on its transit of the Panama Canal. Obviously, the only conclusion can be that SpaceX knows how much everyone loves the artistic design of the JRtI name's lettering. Since enough of it is still there to paint over and restore it to its original look, they had to keep the name with the wings.I mean, you can't expect them to make a perfect clone of such a whimsical work of art without losing something in the translation, but restoring a bit of paint? (Incidentally, has kerning and typeface ever been such a significant topic of spaceflight discussions?)
I'm expecting another Instagram post from SpaceX as soon as 303 has the winds put on and its name painted, regardless of whether Jason 3 gets cleared for RTLS or not. And my money would be that 303 gets its own unique name, and that it will also be from the culture series.
I'm expecting another Instagram post from SpaceX as soon as 303 has the wings put on and its name painted, regardless of whether Jason 3 gets cleared for RTLS or not. And my money would be that 303 gets its own unique name, and that it will also be from the culture series.
Naw, there are so many good culture ship names, and Elon/SpaceX is obviously having fun (perhaps there's a company-wide poll?), no way he'll give up the opportunity to choose a new name by reusing an old one. Keeping morale up is certainly worth the extra pennies for new stencils. IMNSHO.
So, I'm speculating that the west coast ASDS will get a name painted on any day now. I'll further speculate that the name will be Just Read the Instructions (JRTI). That ASDS does, after all, have old JRTI's wings. It's also very possible that that ASDS has old JRTI's CPU, so a "brain transplant".
For me "Funny, It Worked Last Time" is best choice.Yes, I know it is unlikely, unless Musk is into dark humour.
SpaceX West Coast Droneship Gets New Paint, Old Name - "Just Read The Instructions"