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Dear Sirs!The Proton-M - Breeze-M launch vehicle with the В«Telkom-3В» and В«Express-MD2В» satellites on board is scheduled to be launched from Baikonur Cosmodrome on 06.08.2012 at 19 h 31 m 00 s UTC (06.08.2012 23 h 31 m 00 s Moscow Local Time).Real time broadcast of the launch will be available from 30 minutes before start on the Khrunichev Space Center web site:http://coopi.khrunichev.ru/main.php?id=201without password.The videoreporting from Baikonur will not be conducted for technical reasons.Owners of PDA can watch the launch in test mode on http://www.space-center.ru - new vertion.Best regards,[email protected]
K0447/12 - ATS ROUTE SEGMENTS CLSD: 1.A113 TIROK-GISIR FROM 25 TO 65 KM. 2.B822 LUGER-DINBO FROM 35 TO 75 KM. SFC/UNL. SFC - UNL, DAILY 1920/2010, 06 AUG 19:20 2012 UNTIL 09 AUG 20:10 2012. CREATED: 03 AUG 09:00 2012
P2324/12 - ATS RTE SEGMENTS CLSD: A814 ARNUL - LANBI B206 ARNUL - AKTAS G489 TELRU - AKTAS. SFC - UNL, DAILY 1920-2010, 06 AUG 19:20 2012 UNTIL 09 AUG 20:10 2012. CREATED: 02 AUG 06:56 2012
Proton-M/Briz-M with Telkom-3 and Ekspress-MD2 was transported to the launch complex
Do we have any good info pages in English on the two satellites?
Do we have any good info pages in English on the two satellites?And is this a Briz-M five burn profile?
T-103 minutes
Roscosmos talking about a failure on the Briz-M?
August 7 during the breeding parent block (RB, "the Briz-M" spacecraft and 2) was not detected in the transfer orbit. The signal from the headunit (GB) was adopted with an emergency intermediate orbit. According to preliminary information, the inclusion of cruise propulsion system (PS), RB, "the Briz-M" was the estimated time. Shutdown control occurred in 7 seconds instead of the estimated 18 minutes 5 seconds. GB means accompanied Troops Air and Space Defense and Space Agency. Conducted an analysis of the situation.
Quote from: Chris Bergin on 08/07/2012 02:07 amRoscosmos talking about a failure on the Briz-M?Google translation says:Quote August 7 during the breeding parent block (RB, "the Briz-M" spacecraft and 2) was not detected in the transfer orbit. The signal from the headunit (GB) was adopted with an emergency intermediate orbit. According to preliminary information, the inclusion of cruise propulsion system (PS), RB, "the Briz-M" was the estimated time. Shutdown control occurred in 7 seconds instead of the estimated 18 minutes 5 seconds. GB means accompanied Troops Air and Space Defense and Space Agency. Conducted an analysis of the situation.http://www.roscosmos.ru/main.php?id=2&nid=19396However Google Russian translations aren't the most reliable
shaky translation or not a 7 second burn doesn't sound good...
Forgive me for not being up to speed (no pun intended) on the Briz-M performance design, but does this strand the satellites in an improper orbit or are they coming back down?
Thanks Jonathan!
My translation, 7 Aug during insertion of the payload module (Briz-KM stage andtwo satellites) it was not delivered to the transfer orbit. A signal from the payload module was received from an erroneous intermediate orbit. According to preliminary information, the ignition of the Briz-M mainengine was carried out at the planned time. Shutdown of the engineoccurred after 7s instead of the planned 18m 5s. Analysis of thesituation [is to be carried out?]
Quote from: nathan.moeller on 08/07/2012 02:50 amForgive me for not being up to speed (no pun intended) on the Briz-M performance design, but does this strand the satellites in an improper orbit or are they coming back down?They are stranded in a roughly ~250 x 5000 km x 50 degrees inclination orbit, so the whole stack could be coming down within the next few weeks.
Quote from: Chris Bergin on 08/07/2012 02:07 amRoscosmos talking about a failure on the Briz-M?Phobos-Grunt (zenit but with Briz-M) and now this, Briz-M isnt having too much luck lately.
My translation, Analysis of the situation [is to be carried out?]
Quote from: Ronsmytheiii on 08/07/2012 02:33 amQuote from: Chris Bergin on 08/07/2012 02:07 amRoscosmos talking about a failure on the Briz-M?Phobos-Grunt (zenit but with Briz-M) and now this, Briz-M isnt having too much luck lately.Fobos-Grunt used a modified Fregat, not Briz. To the best of my (admittedly incomplete) knowledge Briz has never been used on Zenit, nor are there any plans to do so.
Do we have the serial numbers for the rocket and the culprit itself?
The Briz-M stage was #99531
Phobos-Grunt (zenit but with Briz-M) and now this, Briz-M isnt having too much luck lately.
Quote from: Skyrocket on 08/07/2012 06:17 amThe Briz-M stage was #99531Are you sure ? I have 99531 for the SES-5's Briz-M...
So from http://www.ria.ru/science/20120807/718040335.html the first and second Briz-M burns were nominal (as confirmed from TM data) while the third burn did not occur and the stack is orbiting in the intermediate orbit 268 x 5000km x 49.9°
Satellite observer Kevin Fetter saw four objects related to this launch flying in series at around 04:08 UTC, so it looks like the Breeze-M separated its APT and the two satellites after the engine failed.http://www.satobs.org/seesat/Aug-2012/0061.htmlhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJ9B6JQFOrA&feature=youtu.be
Commiserations to our Russian colleagues - this is too bad.Re the debris risk - low perigee but intermediate apogee, so debris could be around for a few years and passing through ISS and HST altitude regimes.... not as bad as the Arabsat/Briz debris cloud in GTO but not great.On the plus side, the low orbit means the debris will be trackable so we'll know the scope of the problem if any.
Quote from: input~2 on 08/07/2012 09:49 amSo from http://www.ria.ru/science/20120807/718040335.html the first and second Briz-M burns were nominal (as confirmed from TM data) while the third burn did not occur and the stack is orbiting in the intermediate orbit 268 x 5000km x 49.9°Is there the provision to try to command the burn again (perhaps on a ground override command)?
Russian Federal Mission with TELKOM 3 and EXPRESS MD2 Satellites AnomalyInvestigation Underway; Russian State Commission Established On 7 August at 1:32 a.m. local time, a Proton Breeze M vehicle carrying the Express MD2 and Telkom 3 satellites launched from the Baikonur Cosmodrome in Kazakhstan. The Proton M launch vehicle performed nominally, however, the Orbital Unit (OU), comprised of the Breeze M upper stage and the two spacecraft, did not properly reach its transfer orbit and was placed into an off-nominal intermediate orbit. The Aerospace Defense and Roscosmos, are currently monitoring the OU and efforts are now underway to establish contact with the Express MD2 and Telkom 3 satellites.An investigation into the anomaly began immediately. A Russian State Commission of inquiry has been established and is in the process of determining the reasons for the anomaly. ILS will release details when data become available. While this was a Russian Federal mission, ILS will form its own Failure Review Oversight Board (FROB) in parallel with the Russian State Commission. The FROB will review the commission’s final report and corrective action plan, in accordance with U.S. and Russian government export control regulations.ILS remains committed to providing reliable, timely launch services for all its customers. To this end, ILS will work diligently with its partner Khrunichev to return Proton to flight as soon as possible.Further updates will be provided on the investigation as they become available.
Quote from: Chris Bergin on 08/06/2012 02:05 pmDo we have any good info pages in English on the two satellites?And is this a Briz-M five burn profile?Four burnshttp://coopi.khrunichev.ru/main.php?id=595http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=27791.msg935671#msg935671Edit by input~2: correct coopi.khrunichev. ru link:http://coopi.khrunichev.ru/main.php?id=606
Launch time is 19:31 UTC.Delay was related to problems with Briz-M upper stage.
Anatoli Zak sent me this screenshot which shows there should have been five burns, not four as the official scheme showed.
USSTRATCOM confirms 4 objects in similar orbit(epoch: August 7, 1543UTC)Object A (38744) in 266.5 x 5012.5km x 49.91°Object B (38745) in 266.3 x 5013.1km x 49.91°Object C (38746) in 266.8 x 5015.7km x 49.91°Object D (38747) in 266.7 x 5017.6km x 49.91°
One note: this launch was intended to inject the payloads directly into GEO, not GTO; that is the only way for 2 payloads to fly on one Proton to GEO, they are launched mostly without prop.
Quote from: Nicolas PILLET on 08/07/2012 04:16 pmAnatoli Zak sent me this screenshot which shows there should have been five burns, not four as the official scheme showed.СобытиеВремя от КП, сек.ВремяUTCКлюч на старт-30006.08.201219:26:00КП-120с-12006.08.201219:29:00Готовность РБ-11306.08.201219:29:07ОТП-506.08.201219:30:55Переход Земля - борт-206.08.201219:30:58Команда на запуск ДУ 1-ой ступени-206.08.201219:30:58Разрешение регулирования тяги двигателей-206.08.201219:30:58Прорыв мембраны окислителя ДУ 1-ой ступени-206.08.201219:30:58Команда выхода ДУ 1-ой ступени на главную ступень тяги006.08.201219:31:00Контакт подъема006.08.201219:31:00...
Quote from: Stan Black on 08/07/2012 06:20 pmQuote from: Nicolas PILLET on 08/07/2012 04:16 pmAnatoli Zak sent me this screenshot which shows there should have been five burns, not four as the official scheme showed.СобытиеВремя от КП, сек.ВремяUTCКлюч на старт-30006.08.201219:26:00КП-120с-12006.08.201219:29:00Готовность РБ-11306.08.201219:29:07ОТП-506.08.201219:30:55Переход Земля - борт-206.08.201219:30:58Команда на запуск ДУ 1-ой ступени-206.08.201219:30:58Разрешение регулирования тяги двигателей-206.08.201219:30:58Прорыв мембраны окислителя ДУ 1-ой ступени-206.08.201219:30:58Команда выхода ДУ 1-ой ступени на главную ступень тяги006.08.201219:31:00Контакт подъема006.08.201219:31:00...So that's the official scheme with 4 Briz burns.I am puzzled by Anatoli Zak's screenshot: what are the TM data in the 3rd column, showing time tags for events which didn't occur??
Would really hate to see this happen with something like the Nauka lab.
Any ideas what they're going to do with the satellites now? Let them deorbit?
Quote from: QuantumG on 08/08/2012 12:12 amAny ideas what they're going to do with the satellites now? Let them deorbit?Nothing else can be done.
The work of the Interdepartmental Commission August 7, 2012 :: On August 7 at the Federal Space Agency-led by V.A.Popovkin a meeting of the Interdepartmental Commission (IDC) was held to analyze the causes of the abnormal launch of carrier rocket "Proton-M" with upper block (RB) "Briz-M" and spacecraft "Express MD2 "and" Telkom-3 ', which occurred on the eve from the Baikonur cosmodrome. On the first day the members of the IDC conducted a rapid analysis of the received telemetry data, based on which a preliminary conclusion can be drawn about the normal functioning of the management system of the Briz-M RB. It is also noted that the RB engine did not come out to the nominal thrust, as a result it was automatically shut-off. Until the causes of the contingency are elucidated, preparations for RB launches are suspended. In the Commission, which is headed by the First Deputy General Director of FSUE TsNIIMash O.P.Skorobogatov, were formed six working groups in key areas. During the meeting were heard the leaders of the enterprises - manufacturers of rocket and space technology V.E.Nesterov (Director General of Khrunichev), A.S.Syrov (Chief Designer of FSUE OKB "Mars"), V.A. Petrik (CEO of KBHM.Isaev). Addressing the participants of the meeting, the head of the Russian Federal Space Agency asked to organize a thorough search for the causes that led to the contingency, and "not a witch hunt." According to him the degree of guilt of specific employees from the chief to the department manager of the agency, will be judged only after carrying out all necessary verification activities. Also required staff modifications will be implemented. "A number of media statements by unnamed representatives of the aerospace industry that personnel actions concerning a number of leaders have already been taken are not true", - said V.A.Popovkin. On August 8 the members of the Commission will continue their work at Khrunichev.
Quote from: Skyrocket on 08/08/2012 06:33 amQuote from: QuantumG on 08/08/2012 12:12 amAny ideas what they're going to do with the satellites now? Let them deorbit?Nothing else can be done.Huh? They have propulsion on-board, they could circularize their own orbit, right?I guess the lack of a secondary market would make it hard to find a buyer, but it's "something else", surely.
Quote from: QuantumG on 08/08/2012 06:37 amQuote from: Skyrocket on 08/08/2012 06:33 amQuote from: QuantumG on 08/08/2012 12:12 amAny ideas what they're going to do with the satellites now? Let them deorbit?Nothing else can be done.Huh? They have propulsion on-board, they could circularize their own orbit, right?I guess the lack of a secondary market would make it hard to find a buyer, but it's "something else", surely.Hardly - these satellites were built for direct GEO insertion by the launch vehicle and therefore don't have a apogee propulsion system. And there is no real use for a GEO comsat in LEO.
Quote from: JazzFan on 08/08/2012 12:09 amWould really hate to see this happen with something like the Nauka lab.The chances of a Briz-M failure during the MLM launch are fairly small.
...Honestly, the article is beyond ... $2 million, really, btw. I noticed a similar number in the Jakara Post articles posted earlier. Same paragraph even, they spent $200 million, the insurance will provide them with $7 million. I wonder if the translation error is the cost of the policy. $7 million could be be correct....
Medvedev to Name & Shame Failed Satellite Launch Officials
According to an unnamed source in the Interdepartmental Commission (IDC) quoted by the Russian online newspaper Kommersant, the most probable cause of the failure is a mechanical damage to a Briz-M engine fuel line after the second burn.According to the same source the ban on Proton-M/Briz-M launches will be lifted before the end of next week.http://www.kommersant.ru/doc/1998005 (in Russian)
Quote from: input~2 on 08/09/2012 12:42 pmMedvedev to Name & Shame Failed Satellite Launch OfficialsNot a witch hunt? Prayers go out to the proton team...
After some shuffling, the 4 objects have now been catalogued as follows by USSTRATCOM: 38744 TELKOM 3 2012-044A 38745 EXPRESS MD2 2012-044B 38746 BREEZE-M R/B 2012-044C 38747 BREEZE-M DEB 2012-044D
So Telkom-3 and Ekspress-MD2 have separated from the Briz? And the fourth object is the spacer from between them?
Quote from: Stan Black on 08/12/2012 07:18 am So Telkom-3 and Ekspress-MD2 have separated from the Briz? And the fourth object is the spacer from between them?Yes they separated and the fourth object is the Briz tank (APT)Reference abovehttp://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=27791.msg939317#msg939317
Quote from: input~2 on 08/12/2012 12:46 pmQuote from: Stan Black on 08/12/2012 07:18 am So Telkom-3 and Ekspress-MD2 have separated from the Briz? And the fourth object is the spacer from between them?Yes they separated and the fourth object is the Briz tank (APT)Reference abovehttp://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=27791.msg939317#msg939317If the tank did separate; then the spacer is missing.
Quote from: Stan Black on 08/12/2012 12:55 pmQuote from: input~2 on 08/12/2012 12:46 pmQuote from: Stan Black on 08/12/2012 07:18 am So Telkom-3 and Ekspress-MD2 have separated from the Briz? And the fourth object is the spacer from between them?Yes they separated and the fourth object is the Briz tank (APT)Reference abovehttp://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=27791.msg939317#msg939317If the tank did separate; then the spacer is missing.You may have a point but in the case of Luch-5A/Amos-5 launch on December 11, 2011, the spacer was apparently not catalogued but it was catalogued for the SES-3/Kazsat-2 launch on July 15, 2011 and identified as such "BREEZE-M DEB (ADAPTOR) "; the APT is normally identified as such "BREEZE-M DEB (TANK)"An RCS of 4.4m² for the present BREEZE-M DEB seems to indicate an APT and not an adaptor (resp. 5.184m² and 0.003m² for the SES-3/Kazsat-2 launch)
Also there was no adaptor seperation event listed for Luch-5A/Amos-5.
"Contact with the satellite has been established and is being sustained," the Reshetnev rocket company, which built the craft, said in a press release. "The satellite is oriented toward the sun. A positive energy balance is being maintained onboard. The craft's solar panels have been opened."
If the tank did separate; then the spacer is missing.
Отделение КА Телком-33320007.08.201204:44:20Начало разворота на отделение проставки3360007.08.201204:51:00Отделение проставки3420007.08.201205:01:00Отделение КА Экспресс-МД23500007.08.201205:14:20
Quote from: Stan Black on 08/12/2012 12:55 pmIf the tank did separate; then the spacer is missing.According to your sequence of events separation of a spacer between both satellites was indeed planned QuoteОтделение КА Телком-33320007.08.201204:44:20Начало разворота на отделение проставки3360007.08.201204:51:00Отделение проставки3420007.08.201205:01:00Отделение КА Экспресс-МД23500007.08.201205:14:20
"Source: Failure in the pressurized fuel path caused Proton failure"http://www.ria.ru/science/20120813/722713743.html (in Russian)
So... bad weld?
Quote from: input~2 on 08/13/2012 05:11 pm"Source: Failure in the pressurized fuel path caused Proton failure"http://www.ria.ru/science/20120813/722713743.html (in Russian)Sounds more like a tank pressurization line that failed, but the result was the same.
Sounds more like a tank pressurization line that failed, but the result was the same.
After some shuffling, the 4 objects have now been catalogued as follows by USSTRATCOM:38744 TELKOM 3 2012-044A38745 EXPRESS MD2 2012-044B38746 BREEZE-M R/B 2012-044C38747 BREEZE-M DEB 2012-044D
The head of Khrunichev space center, V. Nesterov, has sent out a letter of resignation...http://www.interfax.ru/news.asp?id=260627 (in Russian) orhttp://www.ria.ru/trend/resignation_chief_Khrunichev_15082012/ (in Russian)
Quote from: Nicolas PILLET on 08/07/2012 04:16 pmAnatoli Zak sent me this screenshot which shows there should have been five burns, not four as the official scheme showed.Anatoli Zak sticks with four planned burns in his webpage about the failure:http://www.russianspaceweb.com/proton_telkom3.htmlAFAIU the screenshot he sent you was for illustration of a five burn sequence (that used for SES-5 launch) not related to this one.
Found today a Space.com write up on the Russian space program might be a good read.http://www.space.com/17155-russia-space-agency-rocket-failures.html
Quote from: Prober on 08/18/2012 06:04 pmFound today a Space.com write up on the Russian space program might be a good read.http://www.space.com/17155-russia-space-agency-rocket-failures.htmlWill the Russian space program survive as little more than a military program for spy sats, with a rare domestic civilian comsat or weather sat launch thrown in now and then?What do the Russian people want from their space program?Do they want the Angara booster developed?Do they want to add hardware to the ISS? Do they want an improved manned spacecraft to haul 4-7 crew to the ISS?Do they want the Luna Glob mission to go ahead, restoring Russian deepspace capability?
Quote from: input~2 on 08/12/2012 06:52 amAfter some shuffling, the 4 objects have now been catalogued as follows by USSTRATCOM:38744 TELKOM 3 2012-044A38745 EXPRESS MD2 2012-044B38746 BREEZE-M R/B 2012-044C38747 BREEZE-M DEB 2012-044D USSTRATCOM has now refined its description of 2012-044D, they call it Briz-M tank38747 BREEZE-M DEB (TANK) 2012-044D
Quote from: input~2 on 08/14/2012 05:43 pmQuote from: input~2 on 08/12/2012 06:52 amAfter some shuffling, the 4 objects have now been catalogued as follows by USSTRATCOM: 38744 TELKOM 3 2012-044A 38745 EXPRESS MD2 2012-044B 38746 BREEZE-M R/B 2012-044C 38747 BREEZE-M DEB 2012-044D USSTRATCOM has now refined its description of 2012-044D, they call it Briz-M tank38747 BREEZE-M DEB (TANK) 2012-044D Do we know when they might reenter?
Quote from: input~2 on 08/12/2012 06:52 amAfter some shuffling, the 4 objects have now been catalogued as follows by USSTRATCOM: 38744 TELKOM 3 2012-044A 38745 EXPRESS MD2 2012-044B 38746 BREEZE-M R/B 2012-044C 38747 BREEZE-M DEB 2012-044D USSTRATCOM has now refined its description of 2012-044D, they call it Briz-M tank38747 BREEZE-M DEB (TANK) 2012-044D
The 4 objects radar cross sections as identified by USSTRATCOM are as followsObject A: 8.4m²Object B: 4.2m²Object C: 2.2m²Object D: 4.4m²
The component will be removed from two Breeze-M upper stages awaiting integration at the Russian-run Baikonur Cosmodrome
Yes, for Intelsat-23 and Luch-5B/Yamal-300K. But if I have understood correctly these upper stages will be returned to Moscow. Other upper stages will be used for these launches.
Bob Christy has reported that there are rumors that the dormant Briz-M has exploded in orbit on October 16. Note that Spacetrack's last TLE for the stage (2012-044C/38746) was issued on that day, although no debris has yet been identified.http://www.zarya.info/Gallimaufry/120707ProtonFailure.php
Quote from: Galactic Penguin SST on 10/20/2012 01:49 pmBob Christy has reported that there are rumors that the dormant Briz-M has exploded in orbit on October 16. Note that Spacetrack's last TLE for the stage (2012-044C/38746) was issued on that day, although no debris has yet been identified.http://www.zarya.info/Gallimaufry/120707ProtonFailure.phpUSSTRATCOM confirms that Briz-M broke up in orbit on October 16 and the debris field created is under investigation for potential impact risks.
These have some information about Briz failures.http://www.orbitaldebris.jsc.nasa.gov/newsletter/pdfs/ODQNv16i4.pdfhttp://www.orbitaldebris.jsc.nasa.gov/newsletter/pdfs/ODQNv14i4.pdf
Quote from: Stan Black on 10/21/2012 10:03 amThese have some information about Briz failures.http://www.orbitaldebris.jsc.nasa.gov/newsletter/pdfs/ODQNv16i4.pdfhttp://www.orbitaldebris.jsc.nasa.gov/newsletter/pdfs/ODQNv14i4.pdfNot included here in the NASA statistics is the break-up of a Briz-K upper stage on 26 December 1994. Remarkably, this break-up occurred just hours after the Rokot delivered the Radio Rosto satellite to orbit. Briz-K was the original version of the upper stage, apparently developed as a propulsion system for the Naryad ASAT system.
