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Re: FY 2023 NASA Budget (March 28th)
« Reply #100 on: 12/22/2022 08:34 pm »
It seems that there will be a short term CR in order to give time for the President time to sign the bill:

https://twitter.com/CraigCaplan/status/1606037574501298176

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Re: FY 2023 NASA Budget (March 28th)
« Reply #101 on: 12/23/2022 08:37 pm »
House passes the omnibus bill:

https://twitter.com/CraigCaplan/status/1606367079019446276

A simple majority vote (i.e., at least one-half-plus-one of the Members voting) was necessary.

See page 17:
https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/RL/98-988

The Senate rules also require a simple majority vote (i.e., at least one-half-plus-one of the Members voting). However, cloture rules requires three-fifths of the Senators chosen and sworn.

See page 8 (page 11 of the PDF):
https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/RL/96-452

See page 9 (page 12 of the PDF):
https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/RL/RL30360
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Re: FY 2023 NASA Budget (March 28th)
« Reply #102 on: 12/23/2022 08:40 pm »
A short one week CR (until December 30th) was passed in order to give the President time to sign the bill (it takes a while to enroll the bill).

https://twitter.com/CraigCaplan/status/1606389807751446528

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Re: FY 2023 NASA Budget (March 28th)
« Reply #103 on: 12/24/2022 02:42 pm »

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Re: FY 2023 NASA Budget (March 28th)
« Reply #104 on: 12/30/2022 03:49 pm »
Yesterday, President Biden signed into law, the FY23 Appropriations bill (H.R. 2617):

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Bill Signed: H.R. 2617

On Thursday, December 29, 2022, the President signed into law:

H.R. 2617, the “Consolidated Appropriations Act, 2023,” making consolidated appropriations for the fiscal year ending September 30, 2023, and for providing emergency assistance for the situation in Ukraine, and for other purposes.

Thank you to Representative DeLauro, Speaker Pelosi, Senators Leahy and Shelby, Majority Leader Schumer, Minority Leader McConnell, and many others for their leadership.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/legislation/2022/12/29/bill-signed-h-r-2617/
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Re: FY 2023 NASA Budget (March 28th)
« Reply #105 on: 01/07/2023 04:51 am »
It doesn't affect the FY23 Budget which has already passed but Keven McCarthy has just been elected speaker. This obviously could have an impact on the FY24 Budget. 

https://twitter.com/CraigCaplan/status/1611598429221978113

McCarthy concessions to win Speakership raise eyebrows:
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/3803315-mccarthy-concessions-to-win-speakership-raise-eyebrows/
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Re: FY 2023 NASA Budget (March 28th)
« Reply #107 on: 01/07/2023 10:41 pm »
House Finally Ready for 118th Congress, Government Spending Cuts Top Priority:
https://spacepolicyonline.com/news/house-finally-ready-for-118th-congress-government-spending-cuts-top-priority/

https://twitter.com/SpcPlcyOnline/status/1611865394142408706

I don't expect that shutdowns will happen. Republicans always get blamed for shutdowns (so they try to avoid them) but I would expect CRs. Apparently, the House CRs would be at 98% of the funding of the prior year.

Year-long CRs are possible but it doesn't happen very often. It last happened in FY2013 and before that in FY2011 and FY2007.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/20-years-of-congresss-budget-procrastination-in-one-chart/

See also this link on the Appropriations process:

https://www.crfb.org/papers/appropriations-101
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Re: FY 2023 NASA Budget (March 28th)
« Reply #108 on: 01/09/2023 01:59 pm »
House Finally Ready for 118th Congress, Government Spending Cuts Top Priority:
https://spacepolicyonline.com/news/house-finally-ready-for-118th-congress-government-spending-cuts-top-priority/

https://twitter.com/SpcPlcyOnline/status/1611865394142408706

I don't expect that shutdowns will happen. Republicans always get blamed for shutdowns (so they try to avoid them) but I would expect CRs. Apparently, the House CRs would be at 98% of the funding of the prior year.

Year-long CRs are possible but it doesn't happen very often. It last happened in FY2013 and before that in FY2011 and FY2007.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/20-years-of-congresss-budget-procrastination-in-one-chart/
I totally expect a shutdown. They will want to cut budgets by enormous amounts that will be non-starters in the senate. Just like what happened in 2010. This will be a replay of that.
If you listen to what alot of their members say, they are not interested in governing. They will view a government shutdown as a success. Thats a fundamental issue with many republicans nowadays. Take them at their word.
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Re: FY 2023 NASA Budget (March 28th)
« Reply #109 on: 01/09/2023 02:19 pm »
House Finally Ready for 118th Congress, Government Spending Cuts Top Priority:
https://spacepolicyonline.com/news/house-finally-ready-for-118th-congress-government-spending-cuts-top-priority/

https://twitter.com/SpcPlcyOnline/status/1611865394142408706

I don't expect that shutdowns will happen. Republicans always get blamed for shutdowns (so they try to avoid them) but I would expect CRs. Apparently, the House CRs would be at 98% of the funding of the prior year.

Year-long CRs are possible but it doesn't happen very often. It last happened in FY2013 and before that in FY2011 and FY2007.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/20-years-of-congresss-budget-procrastination-in-one-chart/
I totally expect a shutdown. They will want to cut budgets by enormous amounts that will be non-starters in the senate. Just like what happened in 2010. This will be a replay of that.
If you listen to what alot of their members say, they are not interested in governing. They will view a government shutdown as a success. Thats a fundamental issue with many republicans nowadays. Take them at their word.

You have been predicting shutdowns for a while. Shutdowns rarely happen and when they do, they do not last very long. If the Senate and House can't agree on an omnibus, they usually agree on passing a clean CR. A CR freezes spending at the prior year's amount, so it would accomplish what the Republicans want without shutting down the government. The reason that a year-long CR for FY24 is possible is that I don't expect Democrats to accept freezing spending. So they may settle on a year-long CR instead which isn't ideal.
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Re: FY 2023 NASA Budget (March 28th)
« Reply #110 on: 01/09/2023 03:41 pm »

*SNIP to shorten quote thread*


You have been predicting shutdowns for a while. Shutdowns rarely happen and when they do, they do not last very long. If the Senate and House can't agree on an omnibus, they usually agree on passing a clean CR. A CR freezes spending at the prior year's amount, so it would accomplish what the Republicans want without shutting down the government. The reason that a year-long CR for FY24 is possible is that I don't expect Democrats to accept freezing spending. So they may settle on a year-long CR instead which isn't ideal.
There has been 2 in the last 5-6 years - 2018 Jan, and then Dec2018-Jan2019.
They also have MUCH larger effects than people realize. When the gov shuts down, everyone gets sent home without pay. How many here would put up with a job where you got sent home and had no idea when you'd get paid again? INCLUDING paid for work you already did? All those NASA engineers who get paid less vs private industry started losing full paychecks. It doesn't take much of that before they leave to private industry where they both get paid more AND have stable paychecks.

Government shutdowns of a "few weeks" seriously damage NASA projects.

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Re: FY 2023 NASA Budget (March 28th)
« Reply #111 on: 01/09/2023 03:43 pm »

*SNIP to shorten quote thread*


You have been predicting shutdowns for a while. Shutdowns rarely happen and when they do, they do not last very long. If the Senate and House can't agree on an omnibus, they usually agree on passing a clean CR. A CR freezes spending at the prior year's amount, so it would accomplish what the Republicans want without shutting down the government. The reason that a year-long CR for FY24 is possible is that I don't expect Democrats to accept freezing spending. So they may settle on a year-long CR instead which isn't ideal.
There has been 2 in the last 5-6 years - 2018 Jan, and then Dec2018-Jan2019.
They also have MUCH larger effects than people realize. When the gov shuts down, everyone gets sent home without pay. How many here would put up with a job where you got sent home and had no idea when you'd get paid again? INCLUDING paid for work you already did? All those NASA engineers who get paid less vs private industry started losing full paychecks. It doesn't take much of that before they leave to private industry where they both get paid more AND have stable paychecks.

Government shutdowns of a "few weeks" seriously damage NASA projects.

Right and both times Republicans took a hit in the polls and decided after that, they weren't doing that again.

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Re: FY 2023 NASA Budget (March 28th)
« Reply #112 on: 01/09/2023 07:18 pm »

*SNIP to shorten quote thread*


You have been predicting shutdowns for a while. Shutdowns rarely happen and when they do, they do not last very long. If the Senate and House can't agree on an omnibus, they usually agree on passing a clean CR. A CR freezes spending at the prior year's amount, so it would accomplish what the Republicans want without shutting down the government. The reason that a year-long CR for FY24 is possible is that I don't expect Democrats to accept freezing spending. So they may settle on a year-long CR instead which isn't ideal.
There has been 2 in the last 5-6 years - 2018 Jan, and then Dec2018-Jan2019.
They also have MUCH larger effects than people realize. When the gov shuts down, everyone gets sent home without pay. How many here would put up with a job where you got sent home and had no idea when you'd get paid again? INCLUDING paid for work you already did? All those NASA engineers who get paid less vs private industry started losing full paychecks. It doesn't take much of that before they leave to private industry where they both get paid more AND have stable paychecks.

Government shutdowns of a "few weeks" seriously damage NASA projects.

Right and both times Republicans took a hit in the polls and decided after that, they weren't doing that again.
I REALLY hope you're right and they remember that. I'm concerned that the current firebrands really don't care (and weren't in office then anyways). It only takes like 5-6 of them to break things down.
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Re: FY 2023 NASA Budget (March 28th)
« Reply #113 on: 01/09/2023 10:27 pm »
The deal that may make Kevin McCarthy speaker, explained:
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2023/1/6/23542817/kevin-mccarthy-speaker-deal-congress-debt-ceiling

Concerning the FY24 budget resolution that would reflect the FY22 funding level:

Quote from: Vox Article
Still, again, this should probably be interpreted as what McCarthy is telling House Republicans he’ll do initially, rather than his drop-dead bottom line — though more on this below.

For all of these spending topics, the House GOP will not be formally bound in any way by this framework. So if they feel political pain from being blamed for a shutdown or a potential debt default, these promises could go out the window.
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Re: FY 2023 NASA Budget (March 28th)
« Reply #114 on: 01/10/2023 05:28 pm »
Things should be better on the Senate side:

https://twitter.com/JenniferShutt/status/1612868109362204672

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Re: FY 2023 NASA Budget (March 28th)
« Reply #116 on: 01/10/2023 08:01 pm »
Given the priorities agreement in the House (see the slide above), a year-long CR is a possibility. I suspect that a year-long CR would have a lot of anomalies making it more manageable than a clean CR. See the FY13 year-long CR for an example of what this might look like (see page 65 for NASA):
https://www.congress.gov/113/plaws/publ6/PLAW-113publ6.pdf

See this post for more on this subject:
https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=57437.msg2447543#msg2447543
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Re: FY 2023 NASA Budget (March 28th)
« Reply #117 on: 01/11/2023 01:45 pm »
https://twitter.com/AnnieGrayerCNN/status/1612834961454936064
Wow, thats a non-starter. To paraphrase "will not negotiate unless the senate agrees with everything we want"

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Re: FY 2023 NASA Budget (March 28th)
« Reply #118 on: 01/11/2023 11:42 pm »
It seems that Hal Rogers would be the chair of the CJS Appropriations subcommittee (Granger is the chair of the Appropriations committee):
https://www.politico.com/minutes/congress/01-11-2023/granger/

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Re: FY 2023 NASA Budget (March 28th)
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