First meeting set for June 17thhttp://www.federalregister.gov/OFRUpload/OFRData/2009-12661_PI.pdfEdit: Got this link of Jeff_Foust's Twitter page..
Quote from: robertross on 05/29/2009 05:41 pmIs something like a fly-by or one-way still on the table???Technically, anything about Mars is off the table.Appropriations Bill language ... "Finally, bill language is included prohibiting funding of any research, development, or demonstration activities related exclusively to the human exploration of Mars." thanks to Barney Frank
Is something like a fly-by or one-way still on the table???
Quote from: edkyle99 on 05/29/2009 03:19 amI hope you are right, but I've seen this show before. It will be Augustine Commission Strikes Again! Featuring Science, Science, Science!Mission to Planet Earth Two! ISS on the cheap! (How many Soyuz to make one Orion?)and Mars - a "very long-term goal"!Wanna make a bet?I'll bet you that they're not going to address science.Don't assume that because something happened 19 years ago with a different set of people, a different president, a different set of ground rules, and a different environment, that it will happen again.
I hope you are right, but I've seen this show before. It will be Augustine Commission Strikes Again! Featuring Science, Science, Science!Mission to Planet Earth Two! ISS on the cheap! (How many Soyuz to make one Orion?)and Mars - a "very long-term goal"!
Quote from: mars.is.wet on 05/29/2009 06:00 pmQuote from: robertross on 05/29/2009 05:41 pmIs something like a fly-by or one-way still on the table???Technically, anything about Mars is off the table.Appropriations Bill language ... "Finally, bill language is included prohibiting funding of any research, development, or demonstration activities related exclusively to the human exploration of Mars." thanks to Barney FrankAlso thanks to Dana Rohrabacher. He supports that language and demands that planetary defense (Armageddon !) be considered first.
Quote from: renclod on 05/29/2009 06:32 pmQuote from: mars.is.wet on 05/29/2009 06:00 pmQuote from: robertross on 05/29/2009 05:41 pmIs something like a fly-by or one-way still on the table???Technically, anything about Mars is off the table.Appropriations Bill language ... "Finally, bill language is included prohibiting funding of any research, development, or demonstration activities related exclusively to the human exploration of Mars." thanks to Barney FrankAlso thanks to Dana Rohrabacher. He supports that language and demands that planetary defense (Armageddon !) be considered first.No shortage of Luddites... I think there must have been special sales on them at Wal-Mart and Filene's!
Quote from: mars.is.wet on 05/29/2009 03:35 pmAgree. One of the biggest difficulties will be keeping the humans alive inside of Orion for that long, especially given the requirements shed that appears to have happened. One of the concepts I've seen involves Orion together with an early version of Altair. It also has a reduced crew of three or maybe even two. There are a couple of published papers on this.
Agree. One of the biggest difficulties will be keeping the humans alive inside of Orion for that long, especially given the requirements shed that appears to have happened.
Also thanks to Dana Rohrabacher. He supports that language and demands that planetary defense (Armageddon !) be considered first.
Then once again, the budget does not support this. And Altair is not sized for the length of time a NEO mission would take. Lots of hand waving and conjecture, not enough conservative cost and schedule estimation.
Quote from: mars.is.wet on 05/29/2009 09:15 pmThen once again, the budget does not support this. And Altair is not sized for the length of time a NEO mission would take. Lots of hand waving and conjecture, not enough conservative cost and schedule estimation.Probably true, but at least it should cost a lot less less than current plans and still allow for later extension. The proposals I've seen would require something like J-130 + Orion + Altair precursor + Centaur/DHCSS. No new engines, no new upper stage, no surface systems. Altair would be simplified on the one hand because it would need no no landing operations, but extended for long duration on the other hand.
The commission starts work in June. How long will its study last. When will the report be published?The moon and Mars are fun things to imagine but, the way I see it, getting through the basic space access gap is the principal problem facing NASA. Don't forget, NASA is going to fly a test Aries rocket this year.Wouldn't the success or failure of that flight test be more pertinent than a commission's theoretical study? If so, how should the commission evaluate the current progress when an actual conceptual test might occur while it's working for its findings?I guess I'm questioning the timing of expected events.--- CHAS
... Regarding Ares I ... it is not relevant to the success or failure of Ares / Orion. It is a "practice" rocket that gives the designers and operators a chance to work out their mistakes. And if it wasn't over budget and late, it would be a great example of that.
But, since I don't have a PhD, no one on the commission would listen to me! I would end up watching the inevitable: Atlas V launching two Orions to ISS every year, year after year, while NASA begged for lunar mission funding.
Quote from: edkyle99 on 05/29/2009 06:53 pmBut, since I don't have a PhD, no one on the commission would listen to me! I would end up watching the inevitable: Atlas V launching two Orions to ISS every year, year after year, while NASA begged for lunar mission funding.Ph.D.s are overrated.
Quote from: Blackstar on 05/29/2009 10:55 pmQuote from: edkyle99 on 05/29/2009 06:53 pmBut, since I don't have a PhD, no one on the commission would listen to me! I would end up watching the inevitable: Atlas V launching two Orions to ISS every year, year after year, while NASA begged for lunar mission funding.Ph.D.s are overrated. Six years of my life spent in the still unfulfilled quest for one. At least admit it gets you cheap grad student labor.
Quote from: agman25 on 05/29/2009 11:09 pmQuote from: Blackstar on 05/29/2009 10:55 pmQuote from: edkyle99 on 05/29/2009 06:53 pmBut, since I don't have a PhD, no one on the commission would listen to me! I would end up watching the inevitable: Atlas V launching two Orions to ISS every year, year after year, while NASA begged for lunar mission funding.Ph.D.s are overrated. Six years of my life spent in the still unfulfilled quest for one. At least admit it gets you cheap grad student labor.Took me ten.