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Which missions should be included on the manifest list as space tourism?

Only missions with a participant who paid for their trip (so not including MS-19)
2 (10%)
Current proposed list (non-professional astronauts with at most a few months training on a commercially purchased flight)
4 (20%)
Any non-professional astronaut mission with a seat bought commercially (so include Helen Sharman, but not Bill Nelson etc)
8 (40%)
Any mission with non-professional astronauts regardless who pays (so include Helen Sharman & Bill Nelson etc)
6 (30%)

Total Members Voted: 20

Voting closed: 05/24/2021 11:30 pm


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Re: Space tourism resurgence and manifest
« Reply #141 on: 06/30/2023 10:36 pm »
didn't know where else to post this, but a private spaceport is to be built West of Las Vegas. https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/ready-for-liftoff-company-files-sec-paperwork-for-las-vegas-spaceport/ar-AA1ddWbT

The space post would be more that tourism, so go ahead and start a new thread under the Commercial Thread here:

https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?board=6.0
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Re: Space tourism resurgence and manifest
« Reply #142 on: 07/17/2023 11:24 am »
First members of the public to fly to space on SpaceShipTwo announced:

https://twitter.com/virgingalactic/status/1680895930961371136

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Who will crew #Galactic02 on August 10? Meet our first private astronauts who will also become the first Olympian and first Caribbean astronauts in space:

Jon Goodwin | Astronaut 011 | 🇬🇧
Keisha Schahaff | Astronaut 012 | 🇦🇬
Anastatia Mayers | Astronaut 013 | 🇦🇬

Follow their journeys and sign up for livestream updates →

https://www.virgingalactic.com/news/virgin-galactic-broadens-access-to-space-with-first-private-astronaut

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MEET THE CREW

JON GOODWIN

Virgin Galactic Astronaut 011 and First Olympian to travel to space

An 80-year old adventurer and first Olympian to travel to space (Jon competed in the 1972 Munich games).

Diagnosed with Parkinson's in 2014, Jon will be only the second person to travel to space with the condition.

KEISHA SCHAHAFF

Virgin Galactic Astronaut 012 and First Astronaut from the Caribbean Islands

A 46-yeor-old mother of two daughters, entrepreneur and health and wellness couch from Antigua and Barbuda.

Beneficiary of two spaceflight seats in an historic draw which raised $1.7m in grants for non-profit Space for Humanity

Passionate about empowering women to live
their best lives.

ANASTATIA MAYERS

Virgin Galactic Astronaut 013 and
Second Youngest Person to Travel to Space


An I8-year-old university student who was born and raised in Antigua and Barbuda.

Student at the University of Aberdeen in Scotland in her second year studying Philosophy and Physics.

Together with Keisha, the two will become the first mother and daughter to travel to space together.

BETH MOSES

Virgin Galactic Astronaut 002 and Chief Astronaut Instructor

Lead astronaut instructor carrying out all training and preparation for 'Galactic 02';
Beth will fly with the crew to assess the inflight experience while continuing to refine Virgin Galactic's training program.

Beth was the first woman to fly to space aboard commercial space vehicle, earning her FAA commercial astronaut wings in 2019.

'Galactic 02' marks Beth's fourth flight to space with Virgin Galactic.
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Re: Space tourism resurgence and manifest
« Reply #143 on: 08/04/2023 06:18 pm »
twitter.com/djsnm/status/1687195296168914944

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For those wondering, these are the current costs for private ISS use - $10,000,000 per mission.

Bring your own food, supplies and take your own trash or you'll be paying ~$88K-164K per day.

But - life support, power and 12GB of data transfer per day is free.

https://twitter.com/djsnm/status/1687195840849530880

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The $2000/day cost for food is presumably the cost of buying ISS approved food from NASA. Sorry, you can't just make a bunch of corned beef sandwiches and bring them in your suit pocket.

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Re: Space tourism resurgence and manifest
« Reply #144 on: 08/09/2023 10:23 pm »
Another Axiom customer:

https://www.axiomspace.com/news/poland-esa-agreement

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August 9, 2023
Axiom Space, ESA Sign Agreement with Poland for Future Human Spaceflight Mission
News, Release

Houston-based company Axiom Space and Poland, with support from the European Space Agency (ESA), have signed an agreement to send an ESA astronaut to space on a future Axiom Space mission.

The exact mission and name of the Polish astronaut will be officially announced at a later date, following approval by NASA and its international partners.

“Poland will be the second ESA-sponsored nation to send an astronaut on a commercial human spaceflight mission, establishing a growing network of nations in Europe eager to explore the benefits of microgravity and positioning the region as pioneers of commercial space,” said Michael Suffredini, Axiom Space president and CEO. “We are excited to work with Poland and ESA to build a comprehensive mission plan in support of both national and agency objectives, and we look forward to bringing on additional partner nations around the world in an effort to build the human experience in low-Earth orbit.”

The ESA astronaut selected for the mission will focus on scientific research and educational outreach while on orbit. In coordination with ESA, Axiom Space will manage all aspects required for the preparation and completion of the mission, including access to training facilities and instructors, hardware and safety certification, on-orbit management, and post-mission support. As the crew provider, ESA will sign an agreement with Axiom Space to define and implement the mission objectives and prepare for all the operational services needed.
 
 “Cooperation with ESA and Axiom Space is an important step in the development of both the Polish space sector and science,” said Waldemar Buda, Minister of Economic Development and Technology of Poland. “A Polish astronaut will have the opportunity to test the most advanced Polish technologies. For our companies, this is a unique opportunity to gain flight heritage, which will be a proof of the quality of Polish products. The educational aspect is also important for us, as we hope it will result in the interest of many young people in the space sector.”

ESA’s Director General Josef Asbacher praised Poland’s decision to invest funds in not only the ESA astronaut program, but also several other ESA activities. “This reinforced engagement will enable new possibilities for Poland to lift its capabilities in the fast-emerging domain of space,” Asbacher said, “while the cooperation with Axiom Space opens new opportunities for our ESA astronauts.”

In April 2023, Axiom Space and the Swedish National Space Agency signed a letter of intent to send an ESA astronaut to the ISS. Through this agreement, the upcoming Axiom Space mission, Ax-3 now targeting launch in January 2024, will be the first commercial mission to the ISS to include an ESA project astronaut.

Axiom Space is the commercial space industry’s only full-service orbital mission provider, conducting end-to-end crewed missions to the ISS. The expert team at Axiom Space is helping nations and organizations build human spaceflight programs, develop astronaut selection programs, and provide the expertise needed to expand the international community of space explorers to a larger and more diverse representation of humanity.

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Re: Space tourism resurgence and manifest
« Reply #145 on: 09/12/2023 02:00 pm »
Looks like VG has a few more months of crewed suborbital flights to itself:

https://twitter.com/sciguyspace/status/1701581621810307126

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Blue Origin is working toward flying its New Shepard spacecraft early next month for the first time since an in-flight failure a year ago.

https://arstechnica.com/space/2023/09/a-year-after-new-shepards-accident-blue-origin-may-return-to-flight-next-month/

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The company's tentative plans call for an uncrewed test flight to occur in early October. If all goes well, Blue Origin is then planning its first crewed mission since August 4, 2022, to take place in mid-February of next year.

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Re: Space tourism resurgence and manifest
« Reply #146 on: 09/13/2023 04:56 pm »
Crosspost:

From Walter Isaacson’s new Elon biography:

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It was good, he [Jared Isaacman] remarked, that Musk decided not to go to space himself after Branson and Bezos did.
"That would have been strike three," he said. It would have looked like billionaire-boys narcissism. "We were one strike away from Americans saying 'Screw space.'"
"Yes," Musk said with a rueful laugh, "it was better to send up four people out of central casting."

There’s another bit in the book that shows SpaceX were careful (not surprisingly) about who they chose for the first private mission.
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Re: Space tourism resurgence and manifest
« Reply #147 on: 10/16/2023 03:43 pm »
From the Axiom-3 mission roundtable earlier:

https://twitter.com/spaceflightnow/status/1713927138762526758

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5/ Mike LA says following the first two Axiom missions, they've focused on optimizing training.

"I also think the SpaceX training has evolved to become more efficient."

IIRC Inspiration 4 Dragon training was about 6 months? (obviously with no ISS element) I wonder what it is now?

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Re: Space tourism resurgence and manifest
« Reply #148 on: 10/25/2023 07:46 am »
The UK becomes the latest country to announce an agreement with Axiom for a future 2 week crewed mission (presumably to ISS on Dragon):

https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=59761.0

Edit to add:

Bigelow Aerospace were clearly on to something with trying to sell orbital missions to governments / countries. BA were obviously hampered by delays to commercial crew and I also wonder if the established ISS - backed by NASA - is felt to be a more attractive prospect (although the ISS is getting on in years).
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Re: Space tourism resurgence and manifest
« Reply #149 on: 11/08/2023 09:25 pm »
A bit of a bombshell from VG:

https://twitter.com/jeff_foust/status/1722378334141603901

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Virgin Galactic CEO Michael Colglazier says they will be moving to a quarterly cadence of VSS Unity flights starting in January, and pausing flights entirely in mid-2024 to focus on Delta-class spaceplane development. So, only a couple more flights left for Unity.

Wow. Despite hundreds of paid customers in their backlog. Suggests Unity can’t handle too many flights?

Delta ships don’t come on-line until 2026, so about a 2 year gap … !

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Re: Space tourism resurgence and manifest
« Reply #150 on: 02/21/2024 07:02 pm »
https://twitter.com/sciguyspace/status/1760350975070445664

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Max Haot, CEO of Vast, says his space station company will be bidding to fly the Private Astronaut Missions 5 and 6 for NASA. (To date, Axiom Space has flown the first three).

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