Quote from: freakdog on 11/04/2015 05:41 pmBloomberg is the one that 'leaked' the real winners of CCtCap after the 'rumor' that showed SNC and SpaceX winning. When I read between the lines in that article, it looks like they are saying it's likely to be a 3 way win with SpaceX, OA and SNC/Boeing as the third.The recent failures shows that a 3rd supplier, especially one that can do down mass is needed. The plus side of CST100 or DC is they will be flying on one of the most reliable LVs (Atlas 5). Introduction of Vulcan will change that, but by 2019 F9 and Antares should having any reliability issues well sorted.
Bloomberg is the one that 'leaked' the real winners of CCtCap after the 'rumor' that showed SNC and SpaceX winning. When I read between the lines in that article, it looks like they are saying it's likely to be a 3 way win with SpaceX, OA and SNC/Boeing as the third.
Quote from: arachnitect on 11/04/2015 05:53 pmQuote from: Coastal Ron on 11/04/2015 03:54 pmThe excitement is building on the award. Here is an article examining some of the issues:Musk's SpaceX Faces Competition for $3.5 Billion NASA Cargo Flights - Bloomberg BusinessThe focus on domestic rocket engines is weird. I have seen no evidence that anyone at NASA really cares, especially for ISS logistics.I'm doubling down on incumbents winning, spacex gets 2-3 flights to OrbATK's 1.it's not weird, someone just wishes to push the engine narrative toward NASA. Who gains from a "Russian Engine" ban on all NASA flights?
Quote from: Coastal Ron on 11/04/2015 03:54 pmThe excitement is building on the award. Here is an article examining some of the issues:Musk's SpaceX Faces Competition for $3.5 Billion NASA Cargo Flights - Bloomberg BusinessThe focus on domestic rocket engines is weird. I have seen no evidence that anyone at NASA really cares, especially for ISS logistics.I'm doubling down on incumbents winning, spacex gets 2-3 flights to OrbATK's 1.
The excitement is building on the award. Here is an article examining some of the issues:Musk's SpaceX Faces Competition for $3.5 Billion NASA Cargo Flights - Bloomberg Business
Quote from: Prober on 11/04/2015 07:25 pmQuote from: arachnitect on 11/04/2015 05:53 pmQuote from: Coastal Ron on 11/04/2015 03:54 pmThe excitement is building on the award. Here is an article examining some of the issues:Musk's SpaceX Faces Competition for $3.5 Billion NASA Cargo Flights - Bloomberg BusinessThe focus on domestic rocket engines is weird. I have seen no evidence that anyone at NASA really cares, especially for ISS logistics.I'm doubling down on incumbents winning, spacex gets 2-3 flights to OrbATK's 1.it's not weird, someone just wishes to push the engine narrative toward NASA. Who gains from a "Russian Engine" ban on all NASA flights?Who gains the most? probably Blue Origin. They would get an immediate and large infusion of cash from ULA to complete design work on and start production of the BE-4, to bring the Vulcan rocket online as soon as possible.
where and when will the results be announced? a press conference on nasa tv?
The procurement website still says November 5th. I am guessing a telecon based on prior awards.
Am hearing that this will probably be delayed again.
CRS2 cmcrl cargo awards s'psd to be announced tmrw (Nov 5), but @SciGuySpace sez he's heard may be delayed. NASA didn't return my 2 calls.
Oh for crying out loud! What could possibly be going on behind the scenes to cause a last minute delay after already delaying the decision by months?
Quote from: vt_hokie on 11/05/2015 03:21 amOh for crying out loud! What could possibly be going on behind the scenes to cause a last minute delay after already delaying the decision by months?My guess is that NASA is waiting for Orb-4 to go up successfully. So they don't have to explained why Orb-ATK got a contract after any mishaps to the Congressional critters. After all Orb-ATK launch record is a bit messy recently.
The 2 year budget deal didn't include specific agency appropriations. Those still have to be negotiated..
Quote from: docmordrid on 11/05/2015 06:01 amThe 2 year budget deal didn't include specific agency appropriations. Those still have to be negotiated..The Administration is trying to free up non-defense discretionary money. It's a sensitive time to announce a multi-billion dollar NASA contract.
I have zero insight on selection date and winners. Just a thought ...NASA thought it had redundancy with two cargo vendors. Both had failures. Two aren't enough.If I were NASA, I'd want to continue to grow this new space economy.I would spread my awards across all four reported vendors. SpaceX and Orbital would get more flights, but I'd also award a few flights to SNC and Boeing for end-of-decade.In August, NASA ordered more flights under CRS-1 from Orbital, and reportedly were in negotiations for more flights under CRS-1 with SpaceX ... My understanding is that the CRS-1 contracts allow NASA to add more flights at a cost defined in the CRS-1 contract.So think about this ... Could NASA issue CRS-1 extensions indefinitely? Meaning CRS-2 awards go to non-CRS-1 vendors?If I have the magic wand, I award some business to cargo Starliner and cargo Dream Chaser for circa 2020, while continuing to rely on cargo Dragon and Cygnus indefinitely. The more options, the better, and the more competition.
