Author Topic: March 5, 2014 Hearing on National Security Space Launch Programs (Musk and Gass)  (Read 148652 times)

Offline bad_astra

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Musk: by ULA's definition of success our mission was perfect !(love it!)
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Shelby going after the Merlin failure leading to ORBCOMM not getting to orbit.

"By ULA's definition of success, it was perfect" ;D Musk.

Notes ORBCOMM Option objective not part of the primary mission.

Gass: "It would not be classed as successful if a contracted satellite with us."

FIGHT!!!
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Senator Shelby just twisted Elon's word, making it seem like that according to Elon, by Elon's standards, despite the failure of the secondary payload on the CRS-1 mission it was a perfect success, when he was referring to ULA's criterion. Astonishing.
« Last Edit: 03/05/2014 03:01 pm by Borklund »

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Musk got mixed up, Shelby was referring to the COTS mission.
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Elon said that SpaceX's costs would be 50% more (i.e., $90M instead of $60M) because of the addditional overhead imposed by DOD.
Amazing that the auditing adds 30 million to the cost.
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Offline Herb Schaltegger

Interesting comment from Dr. Pace regarding "magic going on with some of SpaceX's costs" ... but they were "willing to accept the results."

CONTEXT:  From the Government's perspective, that says a lot without saying a lot of words. What it really does is inject a little bit of risk into the considerations because without fully understanding costs, it's hard to justify price OR gain satisfaction that a supplier (in this case SpaceX) will remain viable long-term.
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Elon going after ULA's two families rockets - and Atlas' Russian accent - again.

I like this Chairman. Seems informed and fair.
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Gass claiming all Musk's numbers are categorically wrong! O_O

Edit: What numbers is he talking about, only number's Elon mentioned are his own launch prices. Unless I misheard.
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LEO is the ocean, not an island (let alone a continent). We create cruise liners to ride the oceans, not artificial islands in the middle of them. We need a physical place, which has physical resources, to make our future out there.

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Gass says Elon mentioned numbers that are all kinds of wrong.

Gass says the chart is misrepresentative.
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Gass going off on a tangent when asked about why competition is bad.
LEO is the ocean, not an island (let alone a continent). We create cruise liners to ride the oceans, not artificial islands in the middle of them. We need a physical place, which has physical resources, to make our future out there.

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Gass fighting back well. Using lots of things I don't understand, but he's fighting.
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Gass fighting back well. Using lots of things I don't understand, but he's fighting.

I think he's counting on a lot of people to feel that way.
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Gass claiming Musk doesn't have same requirements.
LEO is the ocean, not an island (let alone a continent). We create cruise liners to ride the oceans, not artificial islands in the middle of them. We need a physical place, which has physical resources, to make our future out there.

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Elon going after ULA's two families rockets - and Atlas' Russian accent - again.

I like this Chairman. Seems informed and fair.

Yeah, and he's actually arranged a real debate.  This is a great hearing.  In retrospect, one of the signs up front was his inclusion of a GAO witness.

Hats off to Sen. Durbin!

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ULA is ready and able to compete with SpaceX - Gass.

But SpaceX doesn't have all the capabilities or the requirements. Need to get to a level playing field.

Musk: SpaceX can manage all of the requirements. Fixed price competition is the best way to go.

Gass asked to agree. He didn't.
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Feinstein, Rep from California,  uses Musk's word for ULA: monopoly.

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Gass claiming nitrogen purges of fairings are not standard commodities?

Don't many normal missions require this?
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Mr. Gass doesn't seem te like the fixed price idea.. :D

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Ooh, Gass gets one over on Elon. Elon now saying the rocket should be fixed price. The payload should be cost plus.
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Gass fighting back well. Using lots of things I don't understand, but he's fighting.

A very confrontational hearing.   8)
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