Quote from: LittleBird on 05/06/2024 08:48 pmI have been impressed for example by the archival donation of local aerospace history documents that has occurred to the Huntington museum in Pasadena of which one or two have been shown in exhibitions.What would a European analogue to this look like ?The British Library pointed me to Cranfield University, UK, where there are a few more relevant Hawker Siddeley Dynamics documents One is even called "The space tug situation" by HSD, 1971. Another "Blue streak/Centaur launcher"
I have been impressed for example by the archival donation of local aerospace history documents that has occurred to the Huntington museum in Pasadena of which one or two have been shown in exhibitions.What would a European analogue to this look like ?
Making progress with the study of primary materials to compare MBB vs HSD space tugs. Via a pleasant visit at The British Library, I managed to read a version of the "Phase A Study" "Part 2 Report Presentation" "EUROPEAN SPACE TUG" study by HSD from 1972.
Quote from: leovinus on 08/27/2024 05:30 pmMaking progress with the study of primary materials to compare MBB vs HSD space tugs. Via a pleasant visit at The British Library, I managed to read a version of the "Phase A Study" "Part 2 Report Presentation" "EUROPEAN SPACE TUG" study by HSD from 1972. When was the decision made to not have Europe build the space tug?
The Group of European Companies set up in July 1970 for the initial ELDO Pre-Phase A Study has remained together right up to the cancellation of the Phase A Study in July 1972.
Finally, a presentation has been prepared for the projected discussions at NASA, Huntsville of July 1972.
I would not jump to that conclusion. The decision to cancel European participation in the space tug could have been made by the US before the study contract itself was canceled. It might only be a matter of days, but I suspect that the European study members were the last ones to know.
It quickly emerged that it would be precipitate to meet in July, as originally envisaged. The nature of Europe's participation in the post-Apollo programme was one reason for the delay. On 5 January 1972 Nixon had approved the space Shuttle programme. At the same time post-Apollo had undergone major changes. The space station concept had been radically altered and its development put back to after that of the Shuttle. The design of the Shuttle itself had been changed, leaving only parts of it really reusable, and the elements in which Europe could participate were reduced from twelve to five. To clarify matters the Ministers agreed that a high-level European delegation should visit NASA in June. There, to their amazement, the tug was withdrawn, the number of Shuttle elements was reduced even further to four, all of relatively minor technological interest to Europe, and "the talks on European participation - which was still desired - were suddenly focussed on the sortie module alone" 1097 This was a Shuttle-borne, shirt-sleeve environment laboratory for scientific research under low-gravity conditions in fields like biomedicine and materials science. Work on the tug was stopped, Shuttle technology studies were wound down and ESO immediately intensified its work on a European sortie module concept in consultation with NASA.
We could argue that the faith of the European tug was taken probably determined on January 5th 1972 as collateral damage of all post-Apollo changes in the US. Am still looking for a "smoking gun" American memo from that time which says clearly "do not fund
This is probably documented, maybe in Spires' book on USAF space transportation. https://www.maxwell.af.mil/News/Display/Article/3053973/air-university-press-releases-single-volume-overview-of-afs-space-launch-support/
Quote from: leovinus on 08/27/2024 09:37 pmWe could argue that the faith of the European tug was taken probably determined on January 5th 1972 as collateral damage of all post-Apollo changes in the US. Am still looking for a "smoking gun" American memo from that time which says clearly "do not fund What I remember is that it was the US Department of Defense that said no to the Europeans building the tug. The reason was that they did not want a non-American company in the critical path for the shuttle ("critical path" was a term referring to anything that was vital for the shuttle to achieve its mission).
My guess is that there was some kind of joint NASA-DoD shuttle coordination meeting where DoD objected to the Europeans building the tug. This is probably documented, maybe in Spires' book on USAF space transportation.
As for the development cost of Europa IIIB, this was estimated at 470 MAU plus a 20% contingency,which took the total to 565 MAU (or FF Delta38 million) at spring 1971 prices and exchange rates.The German delegation found this far too expensive, and demanded that a number of alternativeconfigurations without a cryogenic upper stage be studied. All of these so-called low-cost solutionscame out more expensive than Europa IIIB, however. In addition, they posed problems ofgeographical return and, since Germany suggested making using of solid fuelled boosters developed inthe French Military Programme, raised issues of technology transfer, access by foreigners to Frenchindustry, and so on.1213 Defeated, in June the ELDO Council decided to abandon the idea, and to passthe whole question of Europa III on to a Ministerial meeting then being planned.1214Ministers met informally on 19 May 1972 to plan this gathering.1215 It quickly emerged that a meetingin July, as originally envisaged, would be much too early. The nature of Europe's participation in thepost-Apollo Programme was uppermost in their minds. On 5 January 1972, Nixon had approved thespace Shuttle Programme. Around that decision, between December 1971 and February 1972 theProgramme had undergone major changes. The space station concept had been radically altered and itsdevelopment put back to after that of the Shuttle. The design of the latter had also undergone majorchanges, resulting in only parts of it being really reusable, and the scope for European participationbeing reduced from 12 elements to five. If in 1971 NASA had strongly encouraged the Europeans tobe involved in the space tug – intended to carry a payload from the Shuttle up to geostationary orbit –now they were beginning to suggest that they might like to participate in the development of the sortiemodule, a Shuttle-borne, shirt-sleeve environment laboratory for scientific research. To clarify matters the Ministers agreed that a high-level European delegation should visit NASA in June. There, to theiramazement, the tug was withdrawn, the number of Shuttle elements was reduced to four, all ofrelatively minor technological interest to Europe, and "the talks on European participation which (was)still desired – were suddenly focussed on the sortie module alone". Work on the tug was stopped,Shuttle technology studies were wound down and ESRO immediately intensified its work on aEuropean sortie module concept in consultation with NASA. Final selection was scheduled forOctober 1972, whereupon the scheme would be presented to Ministers, who would have to decide ifthey wanted to embark on it. 12161213 Low Cost Launchers. Conclusions of the Europa III Ad Hoc Group, ELDO/C(72)14 Add, 30 May 1972(ELDO1561). For the French position see the Annex to ELDO/C(72)19, 29 May 1972 (ELDO 1566).1214 See minutes of the 57th ELDO Council, 8 June 1972, ELDO/C(72)PV/3, 16 June 1972 (ESC 1545)1215 The minutes of this Informal Ministerial Meeting - 19th May 1972 are in (ESC 1473).1216 The quotations are from the Report by the Secretary General of the European Space Conference on theStatus of European Space Programmes, CSE/CM(October 72)WP1, 12 October 1972 (ESC 116)
Excellent research about the US events in spring 1972. As for Europe... (I thought I had already posted it before, elsewhere. Whatever. A history of ESA, published in 1987. Page 396 of the pdf.- Or maybe I just forgot I had already posted it.)
Quote from: Spiceman on 08/28/2024 03:49 pmExcellent research about the US events in spring 1972. As for Europe... (I thought I had already posted it before, elsewhere. Whatever. A history of ESA, published in 1987. Page 396 of the pdf.- Or maybe I just forgot I had already posted it.) Thanks for the context and links! Indeed, we discussed the "history of ESA" document earlier in the Reusable Agena thread where the tug also came up.For the European side of the tug cancellation, I had a look at the ESC memos 0635, 0636, 0637, and 0654 via the ESA Archives. Very informative but the eye opener for me was the US White House memo by Nixon from May 18th, 1972.
<snip>On May 18th, 1972, President Nixon writes memo 52406 on "Post-Apollo relationships with the Europeans" to Kissinger and Peter Flaningan . President Nixon says "I am opposed to European development of the tug"<snip>
Quote from: leovinus on 08/28/2024 03:18 pm<snip>On May 18th, 1972, President Nixon writes memo 52406 on "Post-Apollo relationships with the Europeans" to Kissinger and Peter Flaningan . President Nixon says "I am opposed to European development of the tug"<snip> Surely that memo is from Ed David, not Nixon himself ? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_E._David_Jr.His name, as head of PSAC, pops up in a space related context quite often in Shuttle, Kennen etc histories iirc.THe Aerospace studies I mention in previous post must have been an important element of the "further review" he mentions. Surely NRO must have asked a few pointed questions about GEO at some point, perhaps via Aerospace ?
Quote from: leovinus on 08/29/2024 12:54 pmQuote from: Spiceman on 08/28/2024 03:49 pmExcellent research about the US events in spring 1972. As for Europe... (I thought I had already posted it before, elsewhere. Whatever. A history of ESA, published in 1987. Page 396 of the pdf.- Or maybe I just forgot I had already posted it.) Thanks for the context and links! Indeed, we discussed the "history of ESA" document earlier in the Reusable Agena thread where the tug also came up.For the European side of the tug cancellation, I had a look at the ESC memos 0635, 0636, 0637, and 0654 via the ESA Archives. Very informative but the eye opener for me was the US White House memo by Nixon from May 18th, 1972.I think the list of topics Aerospace had been asked to study before the cancellation is also v illuminating, see https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=11111.msg2588574#msg2588574 from which grab below is repeated.
Quote from: LittleBird on 08/29/2024 03:41 pmQuote from: leovinus on 08/29/2024 12:54 pmQuote from: Spiceman on 08/28/2024 03:49 pmExcellent research about the US events in spring 1972. As for Europe... (I thought I had already posted it before, elsewhere. Whatever. A history of ESA, published in 1987. Page 396 of the pdf.- Or maybe I just forgot I had already posted it.) Thanks for the context and links! Indeed, we discussed the "history of ESA" document earlier in the Reusable Agena thread where the tug also came up.For the European side of the tug cancellation, I had a look at the ESC memos 0635, 0636, 0637, and 0654 via the ESA Archives. Very informative but the eye opener for me was the US White House memo by Nixon from May 18th, 1972.I think the list of topics Aerospace had been asked to study before the cancellation is also v illuminating, see https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=11111.msg2588574#msg2588574 from which grab below is repeated.Nice find. Do I see that right that this one page is from study NASw-2301, "Analysis of Space Tug Operating Techniques Final Report (Study 2.4) Volume I: Executive Summary" from August 1972? ? The statement "This effort was not expended due to cancellation of the ELDO Subsystem Review Meetings as a result of the termination of the ELDO Tug activities" is pretty explicit and the timing of August 1972 does fit nicely with the other dates we found.
So the evidence is that the White House cancelled the European tug on May 18th and the June 1st memo confirms it was with the President's blessing. Ok, then we are still looking for an instruction by Nixon himself from before May 18th, and possibly a memo from DoD to the White House with a negative recommendation on the tug before that. Both of which could have been verbally in which case there won't be a record.
■EUROPA 3B: THE CRYOROCKET PERIOD AND THE H20 STAGEOn April 15, 1969, the new Europa III B launcher selected by ELDO was a 2-stage launcher. The first with 120 tons of storable propellants and 4 Viking engines, the second with 20 tons of cryogenic propellants and a closed cycle engine with 20,000 daN of thrust. This program was intended to be cuting-edge, because such an engine only existed in the United States at the time. This was in 1969, but the project was abandoned in December 1972 and it is only today, in 2010, that Europe is finally acquiring an advanced technology engine (VINCI engine).In its concept, the stage included 2 tanks with separate bulkheads. The LH2 tank in the upper part was pressurized with hydrogen taken from the engine and the LOX tank in the lower part with helium contained in spheres immersed in the LH2 tank and heated in the engine pre-chamber beforehand.To be clear, this H20 stage (pronounced H twenty) was of German design and the engine, which we will also call "H20" had been designed by the MBB company. A GIE (Consortium) called CRYOROCKET (50% MBB, 50% SEP) had been created to carry out this project. As a whole, the engine was completely linear with an in-line turbopump extended by the combustion chamber.The distribution of responsibilities assigned the turbopump to the SEP and the main chamber to MBB. The "stage" aspects were divided between ERNO, FOKKER, Air Liquide. Functionally, we see that the turbopump consists of an oxygen pump, a hydrogen pump and a pre-chamber containing the turbine that drives the pumps. Before being injected into the pre-chamber, almost all of the LH2 flow is used to cool the combustion chamber and the divergent. Only a small part of the LOX flow is injected into the pre-chamber, so as to provide power to the turbine with a reasonable temperature of 1080 K. The mixture thus produced is then injected into the main chamber where it meets the rest of the LOX (the largest part).Page 2:Block Diagram (flow in kg/s)H2 Tank pressurisationRoll ControlEngine:Thrust: 20,000 daNIsp: 448sRotation speed: 39,390 rot/minMixture Ratio: 6:1Burn Duration: 448sChamber:Chamber Pressure: 130 BarMixture ratio: 6.4Gas temperature: 3636kFlow rate of hot Gases: 11.59 kg/sFlow rate LOX: 33.41 kg/sPumps (LOX/LH2): P at entry (bar) 3.1 / 2.1Delta P (bar): 264.9 / 249.3Flow rate (kg/s): 39.02 / 6.58Wheel diameter (cm) : 88.6 / 254.7Power output (KW): 1,468/4,982Pre-Chamber/TurbineP Pre-Chamber: 215 BarGas temperature: 1,082KH2 Flow: 5.97 kg/s (at 160K)Flow LOX: 5.61 kg/sMixture ratio: 0.92:1Turbine power output: 6,500 KWPage 3As early as 1969, SEP therefore began to define this monumental turbopump shown above. The oxygen pump has 1 stage, the hydrogen pump 2 stages, the annular prechamber feeds a single-stage turbine. Since the propellants are not hypergolic, the prechamber (and the chamber) are ignited by a fluorine cartridge. A reserve of GH2 is used to start the turbine.What work was carried out?A layout model shown below was used to define the passage of the propellant lines along and inside the thrust cone.Small-scale tests (HM7)To better understand the validity of certain options chosen for H20, small-scale tests were carried out in 1972 on the hydrogen and oxygen pumps of the HM7. Thus, on the H2 pump, open-air tests (with the aim of reducing the cost of the tests) demonstrated that it was perfectly possible to establish an air-LH2 similarity of most of the hydraulic characteristics of a hydrogen pump.Page 4:On the O2 Pump, different inducers were tested and the performance of a 24-blade Rolls Royce pump was compared to that of a 24-blade SEP pump, without any significant advantage for one or the other emerging.Above, LOX Input and Output (LOX Input is through the Gimbal), Engine Gimbal is of 5° in all directionsAbove, LH2 Input and Output (Prechamber and Chamber are not installed)Subscale LOX Inducers tests (HM7)Page 5Full-scale testsIn 1973, full-scale dynamic tests on the centrifugation bench made it possible to check the performance of the hydrogen pump's flanged wheels.Similarly, on this bench, a simplified rotor (without blades) was tested in order to identify the first critical speed and the balancing of the rotating assembly.H2 Wheel Before/After FlangeingPage 6:But on December 20, 1972; the project was abruptly stopped, replaced by the L3S which would become Ariane.Centrifuging bench.THE ROTOR IS DRIVEN BY HYDROGEN GAS (ONE INLET, 2 OUTLETS) THEN BURNS IN A TORCH.THE BEARINGS Are standard materials, therefore very different from the final bearings. ARE LUBRICATED BY AN OIL-NITROGEN AEROSOLSPEED REACHED 42,000 RPM, CRITICAL SPEED: 31,000 RPM.