Something that I have seen contradictory information about is the success of the first four GAMBIT (KH-7) missions. I think I have seen one document that indicated that "not one useable photograph" was obtained during those missions, but other reports that indicated that they worked, just not perfectly. I think that the problems may have been thermal rather than mechanical. The cameras operated, but the focus was a bit off because they had not yet solved the thermal control issues.
John's presentation runs from 00:38:08, and has lots of interesting details in particular on the G and G3 cameras. I didn't yet have a chance to check if his recent book "Gambit, Gambit Cubed & Dorian: Optical Metrology and Process Development at Kodak" has any more details on E-6.
An interesting mention near the end of the talk: Gambit 3's extremely thin film (the 1mil ESTAR base, described as 'saran wrap') was stretched as part of it's film transport, but most interestingly was coated in-orbit after exposure. Now my hands-on experience with Analog photography is all well after its heyday, but as far as I am aware post-exposure coating was only really a thing for some earlier Polarioid large format peelapart and pack films (not the integral instant films that survive today). But the presence of the chemical handling and film application hardware inside Gambit is also an extra piece of the FROG puzzle: it indicates that the handling for the development chemistry would have been closer to a modification/duplication of an existing system rather than creation of an entirely new system.
Quote from: edzieba on 02/10/2022 01:21 pmAn interesting mention near the end of the talk: Gambit 3's extremely thin film (the 1mil ESTAR base, described as 'saran wrap') was stretched as part of it's film transport, but most interestingly was coated in-orbit after exposure. Now my hands-on experience with Analog photography is all well after its heyday, but as far as I am aware post-exposure coating was only really a thing for some earlier Polarioid large format peelapart and pack films (not the integral instant films that survive today). But the presence of the chemical handling and film application hardware inside Gambit is also an extra piece of the FROG puzzle: it indicates that the handling for the development chemistry would have been closer to a modification/duplication of an existing system rather than creation of an entirely new system. I am going to start looking through documents, but was this previously revealed in the declassified documents? I'll have to look at "The Gambit Story." There is also a 1977 document prepared by EK describing the GAMBIT spacecraft. I wonder if it is in there. (When I locate that, I'll attach it to this thread.)It would be kinda interesting if that fact was deleted from the declassified documents. But maybe it is buried in there.
Quote from: hoku on 02/06/2022 10:42 amJohn's presentation runs from 00:38:08, and has lots of interesting details in particular on the G and G3 cameras. I didn't yet have a chance to check if his recent book "Gambit, Gambit Cubed & Dorian: Optical Metrology and Process Development at Kodak" has any more details on E-6.An interesting mention near the end of the talk: Gambit 3's extremely thin film (the 1mil ESTAR base, described as 'saran wrap') was stretched as part of it's film transport, but most interestingly was coated in-orbit after exposure. Now my hands-on experience with Analog photography is all well after its heyday, but as far as I am aware post-exposure coating was only really a thing for some earlier Polarioid large format peelapart and pack films (not the integral instant films that survive today). But the presence of the chemical handling and film application hardware inside Gambit is also an extra piece of the FROG puzzle: it indicates that the handling for the development chemistry would have been closer to a modification/duplication of an existing system rather than creation of an entirely new system.
I had a look through the Gambit Handbook (https://www.nro.gov/Freedom-of-Information-Act-FOIA/Declassified-Records/Selected-Historically-Significant-Documents-of-Public-Interest/grsh/), but no mention of a coater or even a redacted space where description of one could be. The handbook only appears to cover G and not G*/G3 though, which is where the ultra thin base film would have come into play.
From the GAMBIT slides I posted above.
Quote from: Blackstar on 02/07/2022 11:51 amSomething that I have seen contradictory information about is the success of the first four GAMBIT (KH-7) missions. I think I have seen one document that indicated that "not one useable photograph" was obtained during those missions, but other reports that indicated that they worked, just not perfectly. I think that the problems may have been thermal rather than mechanical. The cameras operated, but the focus was a bit off because they had not yet solved the thermal control issues.Ah, now I understand your remark about the thermal control sections for GAMBIT in your post on the Kodak mystery collection: https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=15459.msg2198159#msg2198159
The MOL release includes bits&pieces on GAMBIT and GAMBIT3. The attached example is an analysis of the problems encountered at the beginning of the operational phase of either of the projects, and the initial performance. GAMBIT started off with a best ground resolution distance of 10' to 15'. A best resolution of around 3ft was only achieved for 5 out of the first 15 GAMBIT missions. This includes a number of mission failures related to the Orbital Control Vehicle (OCV).