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Re: GSLV MkII & cryo stage discussion thread
« Reply #120 on: 03/28/2018 06:25 pm »
Just finished watching the televised launch of the Insat 3Dr on Gslv on Sept 8/2016. One of the Isro scientists mentioned that vehicle had an upgraded Cryogenic engine/ stage for the flight. So the C-12 has been uprated at least once. Any idea what kind of improvement was made then?

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Re: GSLV MkII & cryo stage discussion thread
« Reply #121 on: 08/30/2018 04:43 pm »
Successful hot-testing of the uprated CE-7.5 engine meant for upper stage of GSLV-Mk2:

https://www.isro.gov.in/update/30-aug-2018/successful-acceptance-hot-testing-of-cryogenic-engine

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Re: GSLV MkII & cryo stage discussion thread
« Reply #122 on: 08/30/2018 09:28 pm »
GSLV-F11 cryo engine hot test successful

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The Indian Space Research Organisation (Isro), on Thursday said it has successfully completed the hot test of cryogenic engine for the GSLV-F11, which is scheduled to launch the GSAT-7A in November this year.

A hot test is a ground test conducted to check for the safety and also whether or not all design parameters are met. Unlike a cold test where all the propellants are checked for, a hot test involves firing of the engine in test conditions.

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The test, conducted at the Isro Propulsion Complex in Mahendragiri on August 27, was carried out for 200 seconds during which the engine operated in the nominal and 13% uprated thrust regimes.

"All the propulsion parameters during the test were found satisfactory and closely matched with predictions. For the first time, indigenously developed copper alloy is used in this engine," Isro said.

The cryogenic engine will now be integrated with the propellant tanks, stage structures and associated fluid lines to realise the fully integrated flight cryogenic stage.

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Re: GSLV MkII & cryo stage discussion thread
« Reply #123 on: 09/12/2018 07:22 pm »
Indigenisation of Copper-Chromium-Zirconium-Titanium Alloy for Cryo and Semi-Cryo engines- A Success Story

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Rolling Mill LayoutCopper Alloy (Cu-0.5Cr-0.05Ti-0.05Zr) is an important and vital item required for cryogenic/semi-cryogenic engines for the realisation of thrust chamber inner shell and injector face plates of Cryogenic Upper Stage (CUS) engine for GSLV Mk-II, CE20 engine for GSLV Mk-III and Semi-Cryo (SC) stage. This is also required for the Steering Engines (SE) of CUS engine, Gas generator of CUS & CE20 engines, injectors, pre-burner and pyro components of SC engine.

These projects require Copper Alloy plates, rods and forgings of various dimensions. For plates, thickness requirement range from 12 mm to 18 mm and width of 850 mm. Rods and forgings of this alloy are also required with diameters ranging from 30 mm upto 300 mm.

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Vacuum Induction Melting Furnace 1000kgIndigenisation efforts were made through NFTDC, Hyderabad for CUS, CE20 and SC. Melt capacity was augmented to 1000 kg and plate rolling mill capable of 1500 mm  width was established for meeting the project requirements. All required products using this alloy have been successfully realized for CUS, CE20 and Semi-Cryo projects. The hot test of the CUS engine using this copper alloy for 200 sec in the nominal and 13% uprated thrust regime was carried out at IPRC, Mahendragiri. This engine will power the cryogenic stage of GSLV Mk-II, which is scheduled to launch GSAT-7A in November this year.

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Re: GSLV MkII & cryo stage discussion thread
« Reply #124 on: 09/17/2018 11:13 pm »
 Can someone give an approximation for the number of parts in a cryogenic engine/stage like the C-12? Just approximate. Would it be in the thousands or tens of thousands? I'm asking because I want to determine the degree of difficulty a country like India( or any developing one or even developed)  would experience in developing such an engine and stage.  Also, what degree of indigenisation of the C-12 would have been realistically achieved until now, and what more could be reasonably expected? Again, given the presumably very high number of parts and components.

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Re: GSLV MkII design, development, operations
« Reply #125 on: 11/19/2023 02:13 am »
GSLV was the first launch vehicle of ISRO to fly liquid fueled strapons, first to have a cryogenic upper stage, first to employ hot staging and of course first to achieve the Geostationary Transfer Orbit (GTO).

The first payload sent into GTO was by PSLV, carrying METSAT 1 on 12 September 2002 (target orbit was 180x36,000 km according to the press kit). The previous GSLV Mk.I launch on 18 April 2001 had a performance shortfall and sent its payload into sub-GTO with a 32,000 km apogee.
« Last Edit: 11/19/2023 06:36 pm by zubenelgenubi »
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Re: GSLV MkII design, development, operations
« Reply #126 on: 11/19/2023 06:46 pm »
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Re: GSLV MkII design, development, operations
« Reply #127 on: 11/20/2023 10:01 am »
Going over GSLV launch history you have to wonder why ISRO keeps this launch vehicle operational. Out of 15 launches there have been 6 failures of varying degrees putting the failure rate at almost 50%. Now they have LVM3 there is no reason to keep such a unreliable launch vehicle flying.
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I think if we view GSLV as more of a technology testbed of sorts we can have a more positive view of the entire GSLV program. GSLV was the first launch vehicle of ISRO to fly liquid fueled strapons, first to have a cryogenic upper stage, first to employ hot staging and of course first to achieve the Geostationary Transfer Orbit (GTO). First in something is always hard and prone to failure and hence why we should appreciate GSLV's various contributions to the Indian Launch Vehicle program.
Think it is better for ISRO to phased out the GSLV Mk2 quickly. Since even the LVM3 appears to have an end date on the horizon.

A future "LVM3" with semi-cryogenic core replacing the current hypergolic LVM3 core is a new vehicle even if ISRO stated otherwise.

Unless maintaining the 2 low volume production lines is political expediency. ISRO should consolidated their near future launches with the LVM3 to reduce production infrastructure footprint and get scale of economy with more production volume.

Interesting factoid - the strapped-on hypergolic boosters on the GSLV Mk2 have a longer burn time and higher ISP than the solid first stage.

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Re: GSLV MkII design, development, operations
« Reply #128 on: 11/29/2023 04:09 pm »
My opinions:
Re: difficult GSLV MkII development
Hindsight is 20/20. 👀 👓  Congratulations.  🎊 🏅

Re: GSLV MkIII/LVM3 development
Very optimistic development schedule collided with reality, resulting in multi-year delays.



How many launches remain for GSLV?  Is there an intended last launch?  Or does commonality with the quite successful PSLV imply that there is no end-date yet?
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