Flight crew assignments

[NasaFan95]

I would guess Mike Fincke as commander of Starliner-1 with Matthew Dominick commanding Starliner-2. And Jeanette Epps stays on Starliner-1 as Mission Specialist 1 or 2.

Maybe if Eric Boe is cleared of his medical issues, he could fly as pilot on either Starliner-1 or Starliner-2.

I had presumed that Dominick would be Starliner-1 PLT with Fincke, Epps, and an international astronaut (probably Furukawa), but I could see him ending up in a Kjell Lindgren situation (backup several times in a row) and getting a command slot a little further down the line.

I'd be surprised if Boe flew as pilot, since he piloted the shuttle twice.

it’s kinda weird cuz Wikipedia which isn’t a great source for who was what mission specialist on the shuttle, they have borisov flying on Boeing starliner 1 as pilot and I’m like with the stuff going on politically right now not a chance I’ll leave it at that it would be either a nasa astronaut or an ESA astronaut assigned to pilot crew 1 or crew 2 crew 1 I have that feeling since Matthew Dominick will be the pilot, Mike fincke as commander, and Satoshi furukawa & Jeanette Epps are on that mission well I know Epps is they have to confirm furukawa, he hasn’t been confirmed yet. So my 2 cents is either a rookie like Jonny Kim or a veteran Drew Morgan, Scott tingle  and or Jessica Meir would get that 3rd seat and if not a nasa astronaut that would get that spot space x crew 7 on the crew dragon, I could see Alex Gerst a veteran in the ESA or Aki Hoshide a veteran from JAXA would get that spot flies as MS 1 on Crew 7. I also have that feeling that Suni Williams will command starliner 3 down the line, either that or her & Stephanie Wilson will get selected to Artemis 2 along with Joe Acaba & Mike Hopkins.

[hektor]

Keep in mind that there is a CSA astronaut on Artemis 2. So your Artemis 2 crew is a no go.

[John_Marshall]

it’s kinda weird cuz Wikipedia which isn’t a great source for who was what mission specialist on the shuttle, they have borisov flying on Boeing starliner 1 as pilot and I’m like with the stuff going on politically right now not a chance I’ll leave it at that it would be either a nasa astronaut or an ESA astronaut assigned to pilot crew 1 or crew 2 crew 1 I have that feeling since Matthew Dominick will be the pilot, Mike fincke as commander, and Satoshi furukawa & Jeanette Epps are on that mission well I know Epps is they have to confirm furukawa, he hasn’t been confirmed yet. So my 2 cents is either a rookie like Jonny Kim or a veteran Drew Morgan, Scott tingle  and or Jessica Meir would get that 3rd seat and if not a nasa astronaut that would get that spot space x crew 7 on the crew dragon, I could see Alex Gerst a veteran in the ESA or Aki Hoshide a veteran from JAXA would get that spot flies as MS 1 on Crew 7. I also have that feeling that Suni Williams will command starliner 3 down the line, either that or her & Stephanie Wilson will get selected to Artemis 2 along with Joe Acaba & Mike Hopkins.

That is odd re Borisov, especially as he was simultaneously showing as Crew-7 MS-2. I took him off the Starliner page. I doubt that Tingle and Meir would fly as mission specialists--Tingle will probably either get a commander slot or an Artemis slot, and it hasn't been long enough since Meir flew for her to get a second slot yet. I have Gerst on Artemis IV; I doubt that he or Hoshide will get a third long-duration flight with other ESA and JAXA astronauts waiting for their second. Suni Williams and Mike Hopkins are not in the Artemis cadre, but like Ben E noted above, I don't know if that means as much as it used to.

[Delta7]

Christina Hammock-Koch recently tweeted about her and Suni Williams doing helicopter training to simulate a lunar landing. And when NASA announced the Artemis astronaut cadre, it did state that other astronauts could/would be added in the future. Reid Wiseman has also been going through said helicopter training recently.

[Delta7]

In my opinion, the CDRs of Artemis II and III will be 2 of the following:

Tingle
Glover
Bresnik (who is Wiseman’s assistant for exploration, i.e. Artemis)
Wiseman.

[vp.]

It would be logical for the commanders of Artemis II and III to be astronauts who have piloted a spacecraft and in the Artemis group are: Glover, Chari ... Mann, Moghbeli ... Dominick

We can add former pilots who are in a hierarchical position or in the Artemis group, but who have no experience piloting a spacecraft: Bresnik, Tingle, Wiseman, McClain ... Rubio

In my opinion, Glover is the favorite to be the commander of Artemis III, Wiseman for Artemis II.

[jmt27]

Guys its the Artemis program... its pretty clear that commanders for these missions will be female. At least for the first couple of missions. I could see either McClain, Koch or Wilson for Artemis 2 and 3. Tingle and Acaba as pilots.
Astronauts who will be walking on the moon will be mission specialists (will not have role as cmdr or pilot). We'll surely see the likes of Meir, Watkins and Glover walk on the moon. My 2 cents...

[John_Marshall]

It would be logical for the commanders of Artemis II and III to be astronauts who have piloted a spacecraft and in the Artemis group are: Glover, Chari ... Mann, Moghbeli ... Dominick

We can add former pilots who are in a hierarchical position or in the Artemis group, but who have no experience piloting a spacecraft: Bresnik, Tingle, Wiseman, McClain ... Rubio

In my opinion, Glover is the favorite to be the commander of Artemis III, Wiseman for Artemis II.

I currently have Bob Behnken (a pilot and former Chief of the Astronaut Office) commanding Artemis II and Bresnik commanding Artemis III, but I could easily see Wiseman getting a slot.

Guys its the Artemis program... its pretty clear that commanders for these missions will be female. At least for the first couple of missions. I could see either McClain, Koch or Wilson for Artemis 2 and 3. Tingle and Acaba as pilots.
Astronauts who will be walking on the moon will be mission specialists (will not have role as cmdr or pilot). We'll surely see the likes of Meir, Watkins and Glover walk on the moon. My 2 cents...

Though I agree with you that all three are likely to fly on Artemis, I can't see any of McClain or Koch or Wilson getting a CDR slot. McClain, though a pilot, only has Soyuz FE2 experience, and Koch and Wilson are mission specialists with no piloting experience. Especially with the early flights, that seems like a non-starter.

I suspect that the commander and (if they keep this title) lunar module pilot will be the ones to walk on the moon.

[Hog]

Has CSA's Jeremy Hansen not been officially tapped for a mission yet?  He was a longtime CF-18 fighter pilot, though not a test pilot from what I gather.   He and Epps are the last 2 of their Astronaut class who haven't flown yet.

[Delta7]

Hansen has been officially announced a crew member for an ISS expedition. I believe he’s tentatively scheduled to be launched in 2024 on Space X Dragon Crew 8.

[John_Marshall]

Hansen has been officially announced a crew member for an ISS expedition. I believe he’s tentatively scheduled to be launched in 2024 on Space X Dragon Crew 8.

I thought it was USCV-8 (vehicle TBD), not Crew-8? I wonder if that changed when Mogensen was announced as a pilot rather than a mission specialist. If Satoshi Furukawa flies on Crew-7, it seems like Hansen would end up on Starliner-1, but if there's a second American on Crew-7 and Furukawa is on Starliner-1, I could see Hansen on Crew-8.

[cwr]

Has CSA's Jeremy Hansen not been officially tapped for a mission yet?  He was a longtime CF-18 fighter pilot, though not a test pilot from what I gather.   He and Epps are the last 2 of their Astronaut class who haven't flown yet.

In today's [Aug 4th] Crew 5 briefing there was a tease from Kathy L that there would be
a Canadian on the next Artemis mission. [unless she meant the Crew 6 mission and I misunderstood]
I assumed that would be Hansen but no further data was supplied like role and there were
no followups in the Q&A.

Carl

Edit: to clarify which briefing.
Edit2: Having thought more about that part of the briefing, I really doubt that Kathy would have
        announced an Artemis crew member since it's no longer her area of responsibility. But neither
        does it correlate with crew 5 or Crew 6 crews that are basically known. Kathy's comment was about
         45-50 minutes into the briefing during the Q&A. But the 1hr Artemis briefing yesterday and
         2 hours of Crew 5 briefings today are beginning to blend into a blur so I'd recommend someone
         listening to a recording and report back.

[ZachS09]

Has CSA's Jeremy Hansen not been officially tapped for a mission yet?  He was a longtime CF-18 fighter pilot, though not a test pilot from what I gather.   He and Epps are the last 2 of their Astronaut class who haven't flown yet.

In today's [Aug 4th] Crew 5 briefing there was a tease from Kathy L that there would be
a Canadian on the next Artemis mission. [unless she meant the Crew 6 mission and I misunderstood]
I assumed that would be Hansen but no further data was supplied like role and there were
no followups in the Q&A.

Carl

Edit: to clarify which briefing.

I think the Canadian on Artemis 2 maybe either Joshua Kutryk or Jennifer Sidey-Gibbons.

[Delta7]

I predict Kutryk will be assigned to Artemis II. He has flight test experience and this will be a test flight. And NASAs choice for the first woman to fly to the moon won’t be a Canadian. Or if they want an all-veteran crew it would have to be David St. Jacques.

My prediction:
Scott Tingle CDR
Stephanie Wilson
Kathleen Rubins
Josh Kutryk.

[vp.]

I predict Kutryk will be assigned to Artemis II. He has flight test experience and this will be a test flight. And NASAs choice for the first woman to fly to the moon won’t be a Canadian. Or if they want an all-veteran crew it would have to be David St. Jacques.

My prediction:
Scott Tingle CDR
Stephanie Wilson
Kathleen Rubins
Josh Kutryk.

My prediction:
Wiseman
McClain
Wilson
Kutryk

[jmt27]

Wiseman wasn't selected as an Artemis astronaut back in 2020 but since he just announced (Artemis 1 briefing) that all 42 astronauts are eligible for Artemis missions, I guess any guess is good. I still say that commanders will be female for the first couple of missions.

[John_Marshall]

I'm curious where you got your ISS CDR information?

[NasaFan95]

I'm curious where you got your ISS CDR information?

I get it from spacefacts

[Ben E]

As a side note, has there been movement on the cut-off age of 60yrs for astronauts?

My understanding has been that 60 at the point of assignment to a mission is generally the cut-off point, thus allowing astros to fly by age 61-62 at the latest. With lots of the Artemis cadre (Acaba, Tingle, Wilson) heading into their mid-50s, is there a sense that "time is running out" for them to draw an ISS and/or an Artemis assignment? I think it would be great (and should happen) for more older astronauts to fly.

And as Wiseman said in his remarks on Friday, if they can pass the physical, we'll stick 'em on a rocket. For the older astros who've more than paid their dues to the program (incl Pettit), Wiseman's remarks are spot on.

[John_Marshall]

My understanding has been that 60 at the point of assignment to a mission is generally the cut-off point, thus allowing astros to fly by age 61-62 at the latest.

Interesting! My read on it was that they didn't generally even launch past 60--I can only think of three or so that did other than John Glenn.

[Borisov] is on Crew-7, launching in Spring 2024--Spacefacts is wrong there. I know I've seen it, and I'm nearly positive Oleg Kononenko has confirmed it. (The manned launches page and the upcoming expeditions page also do not always agree.) As far as Tracy Caldwell-Dyson, the red doesn't mean she's not flying: that just means that she was part of that group of updates (there was one or more in red font, just like in blue font or brown font).