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Re: Flight crew assignments
« Reply #3680 on: 09/30/2022 07:43 pm »
Either Artemis II or Artemis III for sure--that seems very likely given his seniority and piloting experience and work with Artemis.

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Re: Flight crew assignments
« Reply #3681 on: 10/06/2022 03:26 pm »
From Saudi Arabia and Turkey compete to get a woman astronaut into orbit as soon as possible

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The selection process for the Turkish astronauts is carried out by the TŁbitak Space Technology Research Institute in Ankara, with the support of Axiom and under the direction of the Turkish Space Agency on behalf of the Turkish government. In the case of Saudi Arabia, the responsibility for selection rests with its Space Commission.

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Re: Flight crew assignments
« Reply #3682 on: 10/09/2022 01:30 am »
https://twitter.com/SciGuySpace/status/1572661190370672640
Iím surprised fincke didnít get the command he has more experience than tingle. I mean no disrespect to tingle.

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Re: Flight crew assignments
« Reply #3683 on: 10/09/2022 01:31 am »
https://twitter.com/SciGuySpace/status/1572661190370672640
Iím surprised fincke didnít get the command he has more experience than tingle. I mean no disrespect to tingle.
have they announced whoís gonna command expedition 70 yet or no.

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Re: Flight crew assignments
« Reply #3684 on: 10/09/2022 01:34 am »
https://twitter.com/SciGuySpace/status/1572661190370672640
Iím surprised Fincke didn't get the command since he has more experience than Tingle. I mean, no disrespect to Tingle.

It's not uncommon for a spacecraft commander to have less experience than the pilot. On SpaceX Crew-3, the commander Raja Chari was making his first flight while pilot Tom Marshburn was on his third flight.
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Re: Flight crew assignments
« Reply #3685 on: 10/09/2022 03:29 am »
https://twitter.com/SciGuySpace/status/1572661190370672640
Iím surprised Fincke didn't get the command since he has more experience than Tingle. I mean, no disrespect to Tingle.

It's not uncommon for a spacecraft commander to have less experience than the pilot. On SpaceX Crew-3, the commander Raja Chari was making his first flight while pilot Tom Marshburn was on his third flight.
that one did surprise some people but raja chari or grinder as heís known by is an amazing test pilot.

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Re: Flight crew assignments
« Reply #3686 on: 10/09/2022 07:22 am »
I imagine test-piloting credentials still count in these contexts. Chari and Tingle are both military test pilots, whereas Marshburn and Fincke are not.

Then you have anomalies like Crew-4, where a military test pilot (Hines) flies as PLT to a civilian physician CDR (Lindgren), but the same precedent didn't apply on Crew-3. Strange.


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Re: Flight crew assignments
« Reply #3687 on: 10/09/2022 09:13 pm »
I imagine test-piloting credentials still count in these contexts. Chari and Tingle are both military test pilots, whereas Marshburn and Fincke are not.

Then you have anomalies like Crew-4, where a military test pilot (Hines) flies as PLT to a civilian physician CDR (Lindgren), but the same precedent didn't apply on Crew-3. Strange.



NASA, especially the astronaut office, judges Starliner to be a more demanding flying challenge than Dragon, at least for the first few piloted flights. They want the CDR to be a test pilot, for now.  Not sure if that will apply to Starliner-2, but it does explain the difference between the two vehicles and crewing.

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Re: Flight crew assignments
« Reply #3688 on: 10/09/2022 09:54 pm »
NASA, especially the astronaut office, judges Starliner to be a more demanding flying challenge than Dragon, at least for the first few piloted flights. They want the CDR to be a test pilot, for now.  Not sure if that will apply to Starliner-2, but it does explain the difference between the two vehicles and crewing.

Interesting! I'm not looking to derail the thread, but is there a short answer to what makes Starliner more demanding? Is it the previous problems, the way the vehicle is flown, or something else?

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Re: Flight crew assignments
« Reply #3689 on: 10/10/2022 05:26 pm »
NASA, especially the astronaut office, judges Starliner to be a more demanding flying challenge than Dragon, at least for the first few piloted flights. They want the CDR to be a test pilot, for now.  Not sure if that will apply to Starliner-2, but it does explain the difference between the two vehicles and crewing.

Interesting! I'm not looking to derail the thread, but is there a short answer to what makes Starliner more demanding? Is it the previous problems, the way the vehicle is flown, or something else?
My guess is that the crew interfaces on the Dragon is easier to use than the more physical interfaces on the Starliner. Touch screens on the Dragon versus the buttons and readouts of the Starliner (late 90ish military cockpit look & feel).

Also maybe the vehicle interfaces usage could be easily logged on the Dragon for the entire mission. While the Starliner is less capable of logging interfaces usage. So the CDR & PLT have to do more oversight and confirmations with the mission control on Earth.

So the Starliner might need people that have experience with the older cockpit look and feel. Instead of folks use to flying in glass cockpits in most of the modern aircraft.


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Re: Flight crew assignments
« Reply #3690 on: 10/11/2022 08:59 am »
It does seem strange that Boeing has gone for such an "outdated", non-state-of-the-art and pilot-reliant approach to Starliner's cockpit architecture, which is still unflown with crew, several years after SpaceX's touchscreen-based Crew Dragon is not only proven with crew, but fully operational for NASA and non-NASA civilian missions.

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Re: Flight crew assignments
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Re: Flight crew assignments
« Reply #3692 on: 10/18/2022 11:43 pm »
Spacefacts is showing Jeremy Hansen on Crew-7 now--has there been an announcement about that (whether official or unofficial)? As of last I knew, from the pictures posted in the Crew-7 thread recently, Satoshi Furukawa was in training for that flight.

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Re: Flight crew assignments
« Reply #3693 on: 10/21/2022 05:18 pm »
Spacefacts is showing Jeremy Hansen on Crew-7 now--has there been an announcement about that (whether official or unofficial)? As of last I knew, from the pictures posted in the Crew-7 thread recently, Satoshi Furukawa was in training for that flight.
I think itís official, if furukawa doesnít fly on crew 7 or Starliner 1, heíll probably fly on starliner 2. Or crew dragon crew 8.

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Re: Flight crew assignments
« Reply #3694 on: 10/21/2022 05:35 pm »
I donít know the answer to your question, John_Marshall.
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Re: Flight crew assignments
« Reply #3695 on: 10/22/2022 12:16 am »
Spacefacts is showing Jeremy Hansen on Crew-7 now--has there been an announcement about that (whether official or unofficial)? As of last I knew, from the pictures posted in the Crew-7 thread recently, Satoshi Furukawa was in training for that flight.

I think itís official, if furukawa doesnít fly on crew 7 or Starliner 1, heíll probably fly on starliner 2. Or crew dragon crew 8.

Neither of these is official. Hansen was a reasonable speculation from one poster many comments upthread: Canada was owed ISS increments in 2019 (that was St. Jacques) and 2024, so some CSA astronaut is likely in the long-duration flow soon.

Don't forget that CSA has a seat on Artemis II.

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Re: Flight crew assignments
« Reply #3696 on: 10/22/2022 01:00 am »
Neither of these is official. Hansen was a reasonable speculation from one poster many comments upthread: Canada was owed ISS increments in 2019 (that was St. Jacques) and 2024, so some CSA astronaut is likely in the long-duration flow soon.

Don't forget that CSA has a seat on Artemis II.

Thank you, Michael. I had not realized that the Canadian seat was in 2024--I thought it was a little sooner. I had not forgotten about the Artemis II seat; I was thinking that Hansen would have already gotten an assignment and thus assuming that the Artemis seat would go to Kutryk or Sidey-Gibbons.

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Re: Flight crew assignments
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Re: Flight crew assignments
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Re: Flight crew assignments
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