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Hi -

The forum top banner includes a link "Unread Topics" with URL "...?action=unread;start=0".

At the bottom of the listing page is a link "All Unread Topics" with URL "...?action=unread;all;start=0"

The bottom of the page link does, indeed, show more topics.

What is the unspoken "not all" filter criteria?  Is is per-user recorded "topics you've read" or something else?
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Hi -

The forum top banner includes a link "Unread Topics" with URL "...?action=unread;start=0".

At the bottom of the listing page is a link "All Unread Topics" with URL "...?action=unread;all;start=0"

The bottom of the page link does, indeed, show more topics.

What is the unspoken "not all" filter criteria?  Is is per-user recorded "topics you've read" or something else?

Ere,

I've always wonder about that myself.  But I do know that if I start reading topics during one visit to the site and then later return (or logoff and logon), the list is different.  Here is a message I get when this situation occurs and no topics are shown (when I know there are):

(condition: the unread topics page is empty)
"No unread topics found since your last visit. Click here to try all unread topics."

I also get that condition when I clear cache between visits.  So cookies may be involved.

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Unread topics cuts off the list at some time point (I haven't quite figured out what it is, seems to vary based on what device I used to visit the site).  All Unread just continues the list past that cutoff.  The content shown is the same.

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Unread topics cuts off the list at some time point (I haven't quite figured out what it is, seems to vary based on what device I used to visit the site).  All Unread just continues the list past that cutoff.  The content shown is the same.

It's interesting to note that I have also encountered a similar issue at the detail topic level, where only a few entries are displayed. However, when I click on the "All Unread" button, a few more entries appear. This happens to me quite frequently. Sometimes, when I am aware that there are more topics to review and I leave the NSF (close the browser tab), upon my return a few hours later, those topics are missing. I then get a new set of posts that have occurred since that time, and I have to hit the "Read All" button to get those topics to reappear. To avoid missing posts, I keep the NSF tab open all day long, so I receive all the topics as they appear.

Many times I miss posts, and only when a topic gets a new post is when I can get back and find not only the new post but others above that I know I haven't yet read. This is frustrating, especially in the evening when I take some time to read a post, and there is nothing there and I know that the forum is more active than that.
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If the time stamps on the unread posts are cut off before the last time I looked at the forum, I just hit the All Unread button.  I think it tends to assume I've read the entire forum if I pull it up on my phone, but that doesn't usually happen on the desktop browser.

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The default view seems to be just a couple of days, while the "All unread" does exactly what it says.
Sometimes I get 3 pages from the latter if I haven't viewed the section in a while.

« Last Edit: 10/20/2023 10:56 am by litton4 »
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Unread topics is only the topics that have changed since the last time you loaded the Unread topics page. All unread topics is all of the topics you haven't seen the latest message in.

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Unread topics is only the topics that have changed since the last time you loaded the Unread topics page. All unread topics is all of the topics you haven't seen the latest message in.

This looks to be pretty correct. Here is text from the Smart Machines Forum 2.0 online documentation:
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SMF has several options for users to view unread posts. Unread posts are topics and replies that have not been viewed by the user. The most common way to view unread posts is through the links in the forum header near the top of a forum page.

    Show unread replies since last visit – Selecting this option displays a list of the topics which have had new posts made in them since the user's last visit. The user has the ability to select to view all unread topics, which will display any topic with unread posts, regardless of their last visit.

So, it appears that the "normal" Unread Topics provides the "list of the topics which have had new posts made in them since the user's last visit."  And the "All Unread" option at the bottom of the page "will display any topic with unread posts, regardless of their last visit".

Perhaps, mystery resolved.
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Unread topics is only the topics that have changed since the last time you loaded the Unread topics page. All unread topics is all of the topics you haven't seen the latest message in.

This looks to be pretty correct. Here is text from the Smart Machines Forum 2.0 online documentation:
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SMF has several options for users to view unread posts. Unread posts are topics and replies that have not been viewed by the user. The most common way to view unread posts is through the links in the forum header near the top of a forum page.

    Show unread replies since last visit – Selecting this option displays a list of the topics which have had new posts made in them since the user's last visit. The user has the ability to select to view all unread topics, which will display any topic with unread posts, regardless of their last visit.

So, it appears that the "normal" Unread Topics provides the "list of the topics which have had new posts made in them since the user's last visit."  And the "All Unread" option at the bottom of the page "will display any topic with unread posts, regardless of their last visit".

Perhaps, mystery resolved.

It can't be as simple as that, if this were true we would get an empty 'unread topics' page on reload. (which does happen to me occasionally, no idea why. But by this definition it should happen every time).

And while we are on this subject. When looking at the unread messages page, there's a link to the 'all unread messages', but when there are no unread topics we just get a message that there are no unread topics, but no link to the 'all unread topics'.

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Unread topics is only the topics that have changed since the last time you loaded the Unread topics page. All unread topics is all of the topics you haven't seen the latest message in.

This looks to be pretty correct. Here is text from the Smart Machines Forum 2.0 online documentation:
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SMF has several options for users to view unread posts. Unread posts are topics and replies that have not been viewed by the user. The most common way to view unread posts is through the links in the forum header near the top of a forum page.

    Show unread replies since last visit – Selecting this option displays a list of the topics which have had new posts made in them since the user's last visit. The user has the ability to select to view all unread topics, which will display any topic with unread posts, regardless of their last visit.

So, it appears that the "normal" Unread Topics provides the "list of the topics which have had new posts made in them since the user's last visit."  And the "All Unread" option at the bottom of the page "will display any topic with unread posts, regardless of their last visit".

Perhaps, mystery resolved.

It can't be as simple as that, if this were true we would get an empty 'unread topics' page on reload. (which does happen to me occasionally, no idea why. But by this definition it should happen every time).

And while we are on this subject. When looking at the unread messages page, there's a link to the 'all unread messages', but when there are no unread topics we just get a message that there are no unread topics, but no link to the 'all unread topics'.

Yes there is, it's a hotlink in the text, rather then a button. "Click here to try all unread topics" or soemthing like that
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Unread topics is only the topics that have changed since the last time you loaded the Unread topics page. All unread topics is all of the topics you haven't seen the latest message in.

This looks to be pretty correct. Here is text from the Smart Machines Forum 2.0 online documentation:
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SMF has several options for users to view unread posts. Unread posts are topics and replies that have not been viewed by the user. The most common way to view unread posts is through the links in the forum header near the top of a forum page.

    Show unread replies since last visit – Selecting this option displays a list of the topics which have had new posts made in them since the user's last visit. The user has the ability to select to view all unread topics, which will display any topic with unread posts, regardless of their last visit.

So, it appears that the "normal" Unread Topics provides the "list of the topics which have had new posts made in them since the user's last visit."  And the "All Unread" option at the bottom of the page "will display any topic with unread posts, regardless of their last visit".

Perhaps, mystery resolved.

It can't be as simple as that, if this were true we would get an empty 'unread topics' page on reload. (which does happen to me occasionally, no idea why. But by this definition it should happen every time).

And while we are on this subject. When looking at the unread messages page, there's a link to the 'all unread messages', but when there are no unread topics we just get a message that there are no unread topics, but no link to the 'all unread topics'.

Yes there is, it's a hotlink in the text, rather then a button. "Click here to try all unread topics" or soemthing like that

So I got that page again yesterday and I see that the extra text to read all unread only shows on the deskptop but not on the 'mobile friendly' version of the site. (I did not try the mobile theme, I am referring to the regular full theme which is sort of mobile friendly)

 

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