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Re: Escaping Gravity - Lori Garver's memoir
« Reply #40 on: 07/02/2022 04:12 pm »
Does Ed Kyle or anybody else knows what the heck went wrong with Titan in general, and the UTC solids in particular, circa 1985 ?

Titan-with-solids lasted exactly 40 years: 1965-2005. Amid those 40 years, the first half went pretty well, but the second half... ugh, was it ugly.

What went wrong circa 1985, really ? 


Space Shuttle and a supposably a dead end program.  Solids were manufactured early and sat around. 
And only one was due to solids in 1985/86

Two of the Titan IV were upperstage issues and not related to the Titan itself.
The other was a wiring QA problem
The Commercial Titan was a wiring/commanding mix up.
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Re: Escaping Gravity - Lori Garver's memoir
« Reply #41 on: 07/02/2022 07:20 pm »
It boggles the mind to think what SpaceX could have done with SLS-level funding.

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Re: Escaping Gravity - Lori Garver's memoir
« Reply #42 on: 07/03/2022 06:45 am »
It boggles the mind to think what SpaceX could have done with SLS-level funding.

You got it backwards. Such as: Elon Musk personal wealth of $200 billion is 12 years of NASA annual budgets at an average $17 billion.  And that ratio grows larger every year if not every month. "Billions and billions" as would say the late Carl Sagan.
 ;)

So he doesn't really needs the pile of money wasted on SLS...  ;D

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Re: Escaping Gravity - Lori Garver's memoir
« Reply #43 on: 07/03/2022 12:45 pm »
It boggles the mind to think what SpaceX could have done with SLS-level funding.

I think the comparative lack of funding enforced a different mindset that fosters innovation. Still need the vision, talent and leadership (and luck!) to actually achieve anything.

To get back more on topic, the different cultures and transition to more commercial led spaceflight is what makes Lori’s book an important record of this era.

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Re: Escaping Gravity - Lori Garver's memoir
« Reply #44 on: 07/03/2022 06:49 pm »
It boggles the mind to think what SpaceX could have done with SLS-level funding.

You got it backwards. Such as: Elon Musk personal wealth of $200 billion is 12 years of NASA annual budgets at an average $17 billion.  And that ratio grows larger every year if not every month. "Billions and billions" as would say the late Carl Sagan.
 ;)

So he doesn't really needs the pile of money wasted on SLS...  ;D


That's his fortune today. He was not that rich when he started SpaceX, and nearly broke in 2008. Meanwhile SLS was raking in $billions. You're using today's assets to argue that the money already spent over a decade or two would not have been valuable elsewhere - a flawed argument.

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Re: Escaping Gravity - Lori Garver's memoir
« Reply #45 on: 07/20/2022 11:59 am »
How Elon Musk sped up the future

Quote from: politico.com
Lori Garver, who became the agency’s deputy administrator in 2009, spent four years urging the agency to work more closely with private rocket companies, before resigning shortly into Obama’s second term, frustrated at the lack of progress. In a new memoir, “Escaping Gravity: My Quest to Transform NASA and Launch a New Space Age,” she describes how she tried to change one of the government’s most storied, but tradition-bound, science agencies.

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We spoke with Garver, now an adviser to a venture capital firm, about what went wrong in space, in her view, and what’s now going right.

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Re: Escaping Gravity - Lori Garver's memoir
« Reply #48 on: 08/07/2022 04:46 am »
I enjoyed the book as it resonated with my own experience of being a NASA outsider, and I think most people can understand that. That said, it's a bit silly to be surprised about the ol' boy network closing ranks when the President advocates for slashing the human spaceflight budget. The rest of the book is simply backlash against the first half - once you burn your bridges it's hard to go back.
Human spaceflight is basically just LARPing now.

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Re: Escaping Gravity - Lori Garver's memoir
« Reply #49 on: 09/02/2022 03:13 am »
Yeah, let's name some names:

https://twitter.com/Lori_Garver/status/1564775330262417408

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If so… he was the guy in the meeting at Marshall the morning @SpaceX announced the FH, who told me to tell my friend @elonmusk to “stay in his own lane - the government does the big rockets.” I guess I forgot to pass that message along. #WeAreGoing

"he" is former MSFC Center Director Todd May.

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Re: Escaping Gravity - Lori Garver's memoir
« Reply #50 on: 09/02/2022 01:50 pm »
NASA's Split Personality/ Part 1- Escaping Gravity:



The moon mission Obama couldn't kill- Escaping Gravity Part 2:



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Re: Escaping Gravity - Lori Garver's memoir
« Reply #51 on: 09/02/2022 05:36 pm »

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Re: Escaping Gravity - Lori Garver's memoir
« Reply #52 on: 09/07/2022 01:07 pm »
https://twitter.com/CaseyDreier/status/1555592236489789440

It's an interesting interview, it goes beyond the book in a few of the questions. One the thing that Lori Garver mentions is that she wanted the changes in the FY 2011 Budget to be announced right after the Augustine committee. That was initially what they wanted to do but there was a timing issue in respect of some contractors on other issues that made them delay the announcement. Because it was part of the budget (which is secret), they couldn't get any buy-in from Congress. She admits that this was likely a mistake.

She also mentions that Bolden wanted someone else as Deputy Administrator but was told that she was their pick and Bolden wouldn't have a say in it.

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Re: Escaping Gravity - Lori Garver's memoir
« Reply #53 on: 09/07/2022 03:57 pm »
It is no insult to Bolden to say that, according to the book, his past experience as an astronaut at times put him in an uncomfortable position toward Garver and toward newspace (COTS and all the new stuff). Those two were like fire and ice, really. Polar opposite backgrounds, for a start.

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