Author Topic: Electron : Capella 9/10 "Stronger Together" : Wallops : 16 March 2023 22:39 UTC  (Read 15084 times)

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T+53 minutes and 52 seconds. Expected third stage ignition.
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Commentators are back.
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T+57 minutes and 28 seconds. Expected cutoff and separation.

Payload deployment confirmed!
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End of webcast.

Congratulations to RocketLab and Capella Space for the successful launch!
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Mission success for @capellaspace with our second launch from Launch Complex 2, Virginia! We've now launched 34 Electron missions total, deploying 157 satellites to space.

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Makes Electron only the fourth launch vehicle to fly at least twice this year, both flights from Wallops Launch Area 0C. 

 - Ed Kyle

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Makes Electron only the fourth launch vehicle to fly at least twice this year, both flights from Wallops Launch Area 0C. 

 - Ed Kyle
It still annoys me that NASA Wallops consistently calls it "Launch Area 0C," and Rocket Lab consistently calls it "Launch Complex 2." But it doesn't seem like either side is going to change.

Edit: And I think Virginia Space prefers "Launch Pad-0C". Not 100% sure if the distinction between "Area" and "Pad" is consistent, there.
« Last Edit: 03/17/2023 12:28 am by trimeta »

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Makes Electron only the fourth launch vehicle to fly at least twice this year, both flights from Wallops Launch Area 0C. 

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It still annoys me that NASA Wallops consistently calls it "Launch Area 0C," and Rocket Lab consistently calls it "Launch Complex 2." But it doesn't seem like either side is going to change.

Edit: And I think Virginia Space prefers "Launch Pad-0C". Not 100% sure if the distinction between "Area" and "Pad" is consistent, there.
NASA referring to land area. RL to facilities they have on that land.

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More Rocket Lab launch photos
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Makes Electron only the fourth launch vehicle to fly at least twice this year, both flights from Wallops Launch Area 0C. 

 - Ed Kyle
It still annoys me that NASA Wallops consistently calls it "Launch Area 0C," and Rocket Lab consistently calls it "Launch Complex 2." But it doesn't seem like either side is going to change.

Edit: And I think Virginia Space prefers "Launch Pad-0C". Not 100% sure if the distinction between "Area" and "Pad" is consistent, there.
NASA referring to land area. RL to facilities they have on that land.
Are there any other launch complexes/pads which draw this distinction? For example, Virginia Space (which operates MARS) describes "Launch Pad-0C" with "This launch complex handles fuels, oxidizers, and pneumatic supplies required to load small-class launch vehicles," which seems like it would be part of what Rocket Lab means by "Launch Complex 2." Unless we're saying that Launch Complex 2 is just the Transporter-Erector and launch mount (maybe the rainbirds too), everything else is Launch Pad-0C?
« Last Edit: 03/19/2023 03:45 am by zubenelgenubi »

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Makes Electron only the fourth launch vehicle to fly at least twice this year, both flights from Wallops Launch Area 0C. 

 - Ed Kyle
It still annoys me that NASA Wallops consistently calls it "Launch Area 0C," and Rocket Lab consistently calls it "Launch Complex 2." But it doesn't seem like either side is going to change.

Edit: And I think Virginia Space prefers "Launch Pad-0C". Not 100% sure if the distinction between "Area" and "Pad" is consistent, there.
NASA referring to land area. RL to facilities they have on that land.
Are there any other launch complexes/pads which draw this distinction? For example, Virginia Space (which operates MARS) describes "Launch Pad-0C" with "This launch complex handles fuels, oxidizers, and pneumatic supplies required to load small-class launch vehicles," which seems like it would be part of what Rocket Lab means by "Launch Complex 2." Unless we're saying that Launch Complex 2 is just the Transporter-Erector and launch mount (maybe the rainbirds too), everything else is Launch Pad-0C?

SpaceX calls its landing pads at the Cape LZ-1 and LZ-2. The Space Force still calls it SLC-13.
« Last Edit: 03/19/2023 03:46 am by zubenelgenubi »
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Makes Electron only the fourth launch vehicle to fly at least twice this year, both flights from Wallops Launch Area 0C. 

 - Ed Kyle
It still annoys me that NASA Wallops consistently calls it "Launch Area 0C," and Rocket Lab consistently calls it "Launch Complex 2." But it doesn't seem like either side is going to change.

Edit: And I think Virginia Space prefers "Launch Pad-0C". Not 100% sure if the distinction between "Area" and "Pad" is consistent, there.
NASA referring to land area. RL to facilities they have on that land.
Are there any other launch complexes/pads which draw this distinction? For example, Virginia Space (which operates MARS) describes "Launch Pad-0C" with "This launch complex handles fuels, oxidizers, and pneumatic supplies required to load small-class launch vehicles," which seems like it would be part of what Rocket Lab means by "Launch Complex 2." Unless we're saying that Launch Complex 2 is just the Transporter-Erector and launch mount (maybe the rainbirds too), everything else is Launch Pad-0C?
SpaceX calls its landing pads at the Cape LZ-1 and LZ-2. The Space Force still calls it SLC-13.
Sure, but is this a case where "the land is SLC-13; the concrete that SpaceX poured is LZ-1 and LZ-2; the two are distinct entities and consistently referred to separately," or do SLC-13 and LZ-1/2 refer to the same thing?
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Makes Electron only the fourth launch vehicle to fly at least twice this year, both flights from Wallops Launch Area 0C. 

 - Ed Kyle
It still annoys me that NASA Wallops consistently calls it "Launch Area 0C," and Rocket Lab consistently calls it "Launch Complex 2." But it doesn't seem like either side is going to change.

Edit: And I think Virginia Space prefers "Launch Pad-0C". Not 100% sure if the distinction between "Area" and "Pad" is consistent, there.
NASA referring to land area. RL to facilities they have on that land.
Are there any other launch complexes/pads which draw this distinction? For example, Virginia Space (which operates MARS) describes "Launch Pad-0C" with "This launch complex handles fuels, oxidizers, and pneumatic supplies required to load small-class launch vehicles," which seems like it would be part of what Rocket Lab means by "Launch Complex 2." Unless we're saying that Launch Complex 2 is just the Transporter-Erector and launch mount (maybe the rainbirds too), everything else is Launch Pad-0C?
SpaceX calls its landing pads at the Cape LZ-1 and LZ-2. The Space Force still calls it SLC-13.
Sure, but is this a case where "the land is SLC-13; the concrete that SpaceX poured is LZ-1 and LZ-2; the two are distinct entities and consistently referred to separately," or do SLC-13 and LZ-1/2 refer to the same thing?

I think they are effectively referring to the same thing. Virtually all the news reports about the Space Force leasing the site to Phantom and Vaya call it SLC-13
« Last Edit: 03/19/2023 03:48 am by zubenelgenubi »
"One bit of advice: it is important to view knowledge as sort of a semantic tree -- make sure you understand the fundamental principles, ie the trunk and big branches, before you get into the leaves/details or there is nothing for them to hang on to." - Elon Musk
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Makes Electron only the fourth launch vehicle to fly at least twice this year, both flights from Wallops Launch Area 0C. 

 - Ed Kyle
It still annoys me that NASA Wallops consistently calls it "Launch Area 0C," and Rocket Lab consistently calls it "Launch Complex 2." But it doesn't seem like either side is going to change.

Edit: And I think Virginia Space prefers "Launch Pad-0C". Not 100% sure if the distinction between "Area" and "Pad" is consistent, there.
NASA referring to land area. RL to facilities they have on that land.
Are there any other launch complexes/pads which draw this distinction? For example, Virginia Space (which operates MARS) describes "Launch Pad-0C" with "This launch complex handles fuels, oxidizers, and pneumatic supplies required to load small-class launch vehicles," which seems like it would be part of what Rocket Lab means by "Launch Complex 2." Unless we're saying that Launch Complex 2 is just the Transporter-Erector and launch mount (maybe the rainbirds too), everything else is Launch Pad-0C?
SpaceX calls its landing pads at the Cape LZ-1 and LZ-2. The Space Force still calls it SLC-13.
Sure, but is this a case where "the land is SLC-13; the concrete that SpaceX poured is LZ-1 and LZ-2; the two are distinct entities and consistently referred to separately," or do SLC-13 and LZ-1/2 refer to the same thing?
I think they are effectively referring to the same thing. Virtually all the news reports about the Space Force leasing the site to Phantom and Vaya call it SLC-13

Sure, and that's why I was asking TrevorMonty if there were any other examples where the area has two names in common use, and they actually do refer to slightly different things: for example, one being the land, the other being the facilities on the land. Or perhaps one is the land and some of the facilities, while the other exclusively refers to other facilities.

Honestly, I don't care either way: if the conclusion is "whoever owns (not leases, owns) the land or built the facilities gets to name it," and this leads to cases where one entity builds facilities on land owned by another and gives those facilities a new, conflicting name, that's fine. I just want consistency.

(Also, if the mods want to move this whole digression to the main thread about launches from Wallops, I'd be happy with that.)
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CelesTrak has GP data for 4 objects from the launch (2023-035) of 2 Capella Space synthetic aperture radar satellites atop an Electron rocket from Wallops Island on Mar 16 at 2239 UTC: spaceflightnow.com/2023/03/16/roc…. Data for the launch can be found at: https://celestrak.org/NORAD/elements/table.php?INTDES=2023-035
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So pretty!

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This camera was clamped 80 feet up on @NASA_Wallops’s massive water tower! My legs are still a bit jello from that lift ride up 😬
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Kickstage made multiple burns for this mission:

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No hiding from you Jonathan. The kick stage did multiple planned burns today. 1 right after separation, 1 circularisation burn and a passavation burn. Hence a low stage 2 apogee. It’s the little stage that consistently over performs and enables us to do really cool stuff.

https://twitter.com/Peter_J_Beck/status/1636659012220645376
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Is it a plane? Or is it Electron? A lot of you have asked!

This launch was a bit trickier to spot. Our range photographers caught the Electron in the sky as it was traveling to space. The best indicator to know if it was Electron is a golden glow from Electron's engines.
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