Quote from: Rocket Science on 11/12/2011 11:33 amA couple of minutes old...That's the Daily Mail. One of the most disliked papers in the UK, and tabloid! Please don't link crap like that on this excellent thread.
A couple of minutes old...
Let's use our automobile analogy again...It's equivalent to saying that the steering wheel is apparently working and the front tires move but the engine is dead, the radio and horn don't seem to work, we don't know if the A/C is good and there are some other unknown problems that keep the car from starting. I don't think I would describe this automobile as "OK".
Difference in opinion in our friend JimO and Russian officials
Quote from: Rocket Science on 11/12/2011 11:33 amDifference in opinion in our friend JimO and Russian officialsThat about summarizes it, except to add the nuance that we need more information about structural elements to calculate with any reliability the rtemperature evolution of each of the >24 tanks on the vehicle. Also, I should point out the LAST time my assessment differed from official Russian assessments of a failed Mars probe, in 1996.The Russians, and the Clinton White House on FEMA advice, advertised that the Mars-96 probe and its hazardous plutonium batteries had fallen safely into the deep Pacific and no further safety measures were needed.My own orbital analysis suggested an entry significantly east of that point, over the Chile-Bolivia border. This was subsequently supported by eyewitness accounts from Chile, including one from an employee of the Cerro Tololo observatory, of a fireball swarm crossing the coast at precisely the time of the probe's overflight. NORAD checked its IR trackers and released a statement describing entry along a strip that straddled the coastline [the press release came out at 5 PM on the friday after Thanksgiving -- ever wonder why?]. A NORAD spokesman later agreed that the eyewitness accounts "probably" were of the probe headed inland.But from Moscow, no warnings to locals, no searches for debris, nothing. And Russian official websites still list the 'safe splash in Pacific' story. Although Lavochkin's site apparently has been scrubbed of ALL reference to the probe that they built.So yes, on occasion, my views do differ from those of Russian space officials.
To throw in some weird sci-fi idea, the Progress M-13M should be undocked from the ISS, positioned the same orbit and used as observer/relay craft to PG.
Quote from: InvalidAttitude on 11/12/2011 03:14 pmTo throw in some weird sci-fi idea, the Progress M-13M should be undocked from the ISS, positioned the same orbit and used as observer/relay craft to PG.It can't do the relay task any better unattached from the ISS than attached. Zero and zero ability.
Quote from: Jim on 11/12/2011 03:51 pmQuote from: InvalidAttitude on 11/12/2011 03:14 pmTo throw in some weird sci-fi idea, the Progress M-13M should be undocked from the ISS, positioned the same orbit and used as observer/relay craft to PG.It can't do the relay task any better unattached from the ISS than attached. Zero and zero ability.So sending an observer is too dangerous then? If we are not developing facilities to respond to 'unexpected' unexpected rescue missions in space, now and in the future, then maybe we should just pack our bags and go home.