Total Members Voted: 195
Voting closed: 10/15/2023 07:39 pm
... as long as Elon can get his book report done for the FAA I would really hope we'd see at least 2-3 launch attempts out of Boca Chica by the end of the year...
Additionally, New Glenn is supposed to be significantly cheaper than Falcon Heavy's reusable launch price.
Quote from: Tywin on 10/11/2022 07:59 pmNext year will be the cotton wool test...I have no idea what this means,
Next year will be the cotton wool test...
Quote from: Coastal Ron on 12/26/2022 11:35 pmQuote from: Tywin on 10/11/2022 07:59 pmNext year will be the cotton wool test...I have no idea what this means,Most likely “cotton wool’ means explosion. Originated on mistaken translation from Russian to Ukrainian
Quote from: whitelancer64 on 10/11/2022 09:19 pmAdditionally, New Glenn is supposed to be significantly cheaper than Falcon Heavy's reusable launch price.Where did you get that? The last I know that anyone paid for a Blue Origin flight, was about 10x the price of the competition. In that case, the competition doesn't have an operational vehicle, but that's the only data point we have on how Blue sets their prices.
Quote from: high road on 01/03/2023 08:17 amQuote from: whitelancer64 on 10/11/2022 09:19 pmAdditionally, New Glenn is supposed to be significantly cheaper than Falcon Heavy's reusable launch price.Where did you get that? The last I know that anyone paid for a Blue Origin flight, was about 10x the price of the competition. In that case, the competition doesn't have an operational vehicle, but that's the only data point we have on how Blue sets their prices.According to , each New Glenn launch probably costs $86 million dollars. Last year, [url=https://www.space.com/spacex-raises-prices-launch-starlink-inflation]SpaceX estimated the cost of each reusable launch of the Falcon Heavy to be $97 million.
Unfortunately that link doesn’t work for me.
Quote from: Vahe231991 on 01/24/2023 08:04 pmQuote from: high road on 01/03/2023 08:17 amQuote from: whitelancer64 on 10/11/2022 09:19 pmAdditionally, New Glenn is supposed to be significantly cheaper than Falcon Heavy's reusable launch price.Where did you get that? The last I know that anyone paid for a Blue Origin flight, was about 10x the price of the competition. In that case, the competition doesn't have an operational vehicle, but that's the only data point we have on how Blue sets their prices.According to , each New Glenn launch probably costs $86 million dollars. Last year, [url=https://www.space.com/spacex-raises-prices-launch-starlink-inflation]SpaceX estimated the cost of each reusable launch of the Falcon Heavy to be $97 million. Unfortunately that link doesn’t work for me.
Quote from: high road on 01/03/2023 08:17 amQuote from: whitelancer64 on 10/11/2022 09:19 pmAdditionally, New Glenn is supposed to be significantly cheaper than Falcon Heavy's reusable launch price.Where did you get that? The last I know that anyone paid for a Blue Origin flight, was about 10x the price of the competition. In that case, the competition doesn't have an operational vehicle, but that's the only data point we have on how Blue sets their prices.According to Arianespace, each New Glenn launch probably costs $68 million dollars. Last year, SpaceX estimated the cost of each reusable launch of the Falcon Heavy to be $97 million.
Speaking of the poll, still waiting for New Glenn to do this:
Quote from: Alvian@IDN on 01/26/2023 11:41 pmSpeaking of the poll, still waiting for New Glenn to do this:If the first New Glenn is ever completed and subject to a WDR, notwithstanding the successful WDR for the Starship being yet another signal that the Starship will make its first launch before New Glenn, one thing that needs to be done for the New Glenn to undergo a successful WDR is for liquid hydrogen to be safely loaded to one of the tanks of the New Glenn's second stage, which uses both LOX and LH2, because during the WDRs and launch preparations for the first SLS mission, NASA personnel recognized the perils of LH2 while loading that fuel into the stages of the SLS rocket.
Quote from: Vahe231991 on 01/27/2023 12:10 amQuote from: Alvian@IDN on 01/26/2023 11:41 pmSpeaking of the poll, still waiting for New Glenn to do this:If the first New Glenn is ever completed and subject to a WDR, notwithstanding the successful WDR for the Starship being yet another signal that the Starship will make its first launch before New Glenn, one thing that needs to be done for the New Glenn to undergo a successful WDR is for liquid hydrogen to be safely loaded to one of the tanks of the New Glenn's second stage, which uses both LOX and LH2, because during the WDRs and launch preparations for the first SLS mission, NASA personnel recognized the perils of LH2 while loading that fuel into the stages of the SLS rocket.I dislike BO, but I do not see this as a big deal. Hydrolox second stages, mostly Centaur in its various forms, have been the norm for decades for Atlas and Delta. The first Centaur flew in 1962 and there have been more than 350 flights. There must be lots of experienced folks around that BO has hired or can hire to implement this very well-known solution.
Quote from: Alvian@IDN on 01/26/2023 11:41 pmSpeaking of the poll, still waiting for New Glenn to do this:The S24 is in rocket garden right now...wait and see...
It should be Starship, so I voted that way.But I really wonder if a Raptor based 'big Falcon 9' - not dissimilar to a New Glenn - would have been a better move.I am however, a conservative engineer, so I would think that way.That said, I think if New Glenn does beat Starship to orbit I think people will begin to wonder if Elon has dropped the ball, despite Starship being obviously more ambitious.EDIT: Clarification.
Quote from: nicp on 12/26/2022 10:20 pmIt should be Starship, so I voted that way.But I really wonder if a Raptor based 'big Falcon 9' - not dissimilar to a New Glenn - would have been a better move.I am however, a conservative engineer, so I would think that way.That said, I think if New Glenn does beat Starship to orbit I think people will begin to wonder if Elon has dropped the ball, despite Starship being obviously more ambitious.EDIT: Clarification.That depends on what the goal of starship is.If the goal is to bring a Falcon 9 replacement online as quickly as possible, then yes, they should have done it differently.If the goal is to beat New Glenn, then also yes.But, none of those are the actual goals of starship.