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Artemis astronauts assignments
« on: 04/08/2022 01:47 am »
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With Artemis having the goal of landing the first woman and first person of color on the moon, I started speculating on crew assignments for the first couple of missions. I know we'll have an announcement later this year on the crew of Artemis 2, but picking from the current Artemis roster here are my guesses:

Scott Tingle, Joe Acaba, Anne McLain  and Jenni Sidey.
I think many if not all Artemis missions will have 2 men / 2 women. I think those 3 NASA astronauts would be a good pick for the first mission and the CSA's ticket for Jenni seems the logical choice.

For Artemis 3, I had pictured Victor Glover and Jessica Meir for the return of humans on the moon and this tweet from Jessica is almost a confirmation for me.

https://twitter.com/Astro_Jessica/status/1512208980847824910

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Re: Artemis astronauts assignments
« Reply #1 on: 04/08/2022 03:38 pm »
Theres been a bit of discussion on this in the flight crew assignments thread. I have the same Artemis II crew predictions except still between Anne McClain or Stephanie Wilson (I think it'll be Stephanie as she hasn't been assigned to any upcoming ISS flight in next 1-2 years).

For Artemis III I'm thinking Victor Glover, Christina Koch (she already has name recognition for her long ISS stint and is an engineer). Also, Christina has recently done helicopter training as well as has visited SpaceX Starship a few times. I could see either Christina or Jessica being backup for each other.
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Re: Artemis astronauts assignments
« Reply #2 on: 04/17/2022 03:24 pm »
I predict Scott Tingle, Stephanie Wilson, Kate Rubins and Josh Kutryk. Backup crew Victor Glover, Christina Koch, Jessica Meir, David St. Jacques.

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Re: Artemis astronauts assignments
« Reply #3 on: 04/19/2022 04:07 am »
Here are mine.

Artemis II:
-CDR Bob Behnken (former Chief Astronaut getting key flight) or Randy Bresnik (not on the Artemis cadre but has been significantly involved)
-CMP Scott Tingle
-LMP (a la Apollo 8) Stephanie Wilson
-FE/MS (title TBD) Joshua Kutryk

Artemis III:
-CDR Randy Bresnik (see above) OR Greg Wiseman (ditto on former Chief Astronaut)
-CMP Anne McClain
-LMP Christina Koch (first woman on moon)
-FE/MS/??? Joe Acaba

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Re: Artemis astronauts assignments
« Reply #4 on: 04/20/2022 03:35 am »
Behnken, Bresnik and Wiseman are not Artemis astronauts. Doesn't mean they wont be in the future but as of now they're not on that list.

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Re: Artemis astronauts assignments
« Reply #5 on: 04/20/2022 05:23 am »
My guess for crew assignments for Artemis II and Artemis III (as of today. I have changed my guess several times over the past couple of years):

Artemis II:

Cmdr: Reid Wiseman

Pilot: Jessica Meir

MS-1: Drew Morgan

MS-2: Joshua Kutryk

Artemis III:

Cmdr: Victor Glover (landing on moon)

Pilot: Anne McClain (landing on moon)

MS-1: Jonny Kim

MS-2: Jenni Sidey-Gibbons
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Re: Artemis astronauts assignments
« Reply #6 on: 04/20/2022 06:30 pm »
My guess for crew assignments for Artemis II and Artemis III (as of today. I have changed my guess several times over the past couple of years):

Artemis II:

Cmdr: Reid Wiseman

Pilot: Jessica Meir

MS-1: Drew Morgan

MS-2: Joshua Kutryk

Artemis III:

Cmdr: Victor Glover (landing on moon)

Pilot: Anne McClain (landing on moon)

MS-1: Jonny Kim

MS-2: Jenni Sidey-Gibbons

I've just realized that currently Canada has 2 flights for the Artemis Program (one on Artemis II and another to Gateway), ESA has two(?) as well (both to Gateway). I'm wondering since Artemis III technically doesn't go to Gateway if it will be a full NASA Crew. Artemis IV (as of now) is brining I-HAB to Gateway so I imagine an ESA Astronaut will be on Artemis IV. I'm just curious now on if Artemis III will be a full NASA Crew.
So maybe this whole thing is looking like...
Artemis II (3 NASA, 1 CSA)
Artemis III (4 NASA)?
Artemis IV (3 NASA, 1 ESA)

JAXA also has flights to Gateway that have yet to be announced fully. This is obviously all speculation but I'm really interested to see how it all plays out. (Especially with Artemis III).

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Re: Artemis astronauts assignments
« Reply #7 on: 04/20/2022 07:00 pm »
Behnken, Bresnik and Wiseman are not Artemis astronauts. Doesn't mean they wont be in the future but as of now they're not on that list.

I realize that. My parentheticals were meant to be why I included them anyway--sorry if that wasn't clear.

I've just realized that currently Canada has 2 flights for the Artemis Program (one on Artemis II and another to Gateway), ESA has two(?) as well (both to Gateway). I'm wondering since Artemis III technically doesn't go to Gateway if it will be a full NASA Crew. Artemis IV (as of now) is brining I-HAB to Gateway so I imagine an ESA Astronaut will be on Artemis IV. I'm just curious now on if Artemis III will be a full NASA Crew.
So maybe this whole thing is looking like...
Artemis II (3 NASA, 1 CSA)
Artemis III (4 NASA)?
Artemis IV (3 NASA, 1 ESA)

JAXA also has flights to Gateway that have yet to be announced fully. This is obviously all speculation but I'm really interested to see how it all plays out. (Especially with Artemis III).

This makes sense to me, except I thought I heard ESA has three slots. Re Endeavour's predictions, given the length of time between Canadian slots on ISS, I'd be surprised if Canada's second Artemis slot ends up being anywhere near its first.

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Re: Artemis astronauts assignments
« Reply #8 on: 04/21/2022 01:31 am »
My guess for crew assignments for Artemis II and Artemis III (as of today. I have changed my guess several times over the past couple of years):

Artemis II:

Cmdr: Reid Wiseman

Pilot: Jessica Meir

MS-1: Drew Morgan

MS-2: Joshua Kutryk

Artemis III:

Cmdr: Victor Glover (landing on moon)

Pilot: Anne McClain (landing on moon)

MS-1: Jonny Kim

MS-2: Jenni Sidey-Gibbons

I've just realized that currently Canada has 2 flights for the Artemis Program (one on Artemis II and another to Gateway), ESA has two(?) as well (both to Gateway). I'm wondering since Artemis III technically doesn't go to Gateway if it will be a full NASA Crew. Artemis IV (as of now) is brining I-HAB to Gateway so I imagine an ESA Astronaut will be on Artemis IV. I'm just curious now on if Artemis III will be a full NASA Crew.
So maybe this whole thing is looking like...
Artemis II (3 NASA, 1 CSA)
Artemis III (4 NASA)?
Artemis IV (3 NASA, 1 ESA)

JAXA also has flights to Gateway that have yet to be announced fully. This is obviously all speculation but I'm really interested to see how it all plays out. (Especially with Artemis III).

For the longest time I was certain Anne McClain would be the first woman on the moon... So its either her or Jessica Meir.
Also yes, Artemis II will have 3 NASA + 1 CSA, but the next time we'll see another canadian going to the moon might be Artemis V or VI, for Gateway. Perhaps for the installation of Canadarm3.

Re: Artemis astronauts assignments
« Reply #9 on: 05/10/2022 04:03 pm »
With Artemis 1 at NET August now and WDR still an incomplete task, I wonder at what point NASA will decouple the Artemis 2 crew announcement from Artemis 1 launch.

I assume the main and back-up crew probably know who they are at this point.

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Re: Artemis astronauts assignments
« Reply #10 on: 05/17/2022 06:20 pm »
My guess for crew assignments for Artemis II and Artemis III (as of today. I have changed my guess several times over the past couple of years):

Artemis II:

Cmdr: Reid Wiseman

Pilot: Jessica Meir

MS-1: Drew Morgan

MS-2: Joshua Kutryk

Artemis III:

Cmdr: Victor Glover (landing on moon)

Pilot: Anne McClain (landing on moon)

MS-1: Jonny Kim

MS-2: Jenni Sidey-Gibbons

Well, if this in fact is the Artemis 3 crew and if in fact Glover and McClain land on the moon, I doubt the conspiracy theorist will be questioning whether this landing was faked or not

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Re: Artemis astronauts assignments
« Reply #11 on: 08/09/2022 02:16 pm »
Reid Wiseman, current chief astronaut, has stated that all 42 active NASA astronauts are available for Artemis missions


https://www.spaceflightinsider.com/organizations/nasa/are-all-astronauts-eligible-for-artemis-moon-missions/?fbclid=IwAR3O-OC3PRZk4UNX3F4RaMmOGZndmZ3ux3fBcvDx9TJwNQ1gFANzxvk1YsA

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Re: Artemis astronauts assignments
« Reply #12 on: 08/09/2022 06:20 pm »
Is it common for chief astronauts to appoint themselves for mission commander? It would seem like a bit of a power flex move especially for a first flight like this.

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Re: Artemis astronauts assignments
« Reply #13 on: 08/15/2022 10:58 pm »
Is it common for chief astronauts to appoint themselves for mission commander? It would seem like a bit of a power flex move especially for a first flight like this.
It happened during the Shuttle program...a couple of times (STS-49 and STS-71).

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Re: Artemis astronauts assignments
« Reply #14 on: 08/15/2022 11:04 pm »
Well, if this in fact is the Artemis 3 crew and if in fact Glover and McClain land on the moon, I doubt the conspiracy theorist will be questioning whether this landing was faked or not
They will question it even if they went on the mission.  It is not about rational thought.

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« Reply #15 on: 08/21/2022 04:59 pm »
Well sure. If "they" want to be labelled racists and misogynists

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Re: Artemis astronauts assignments
« Reply #16 on: 11/16/2022 04:54 pm »
I guess we'll know the crew assignment for Artemis 2 in late December following Orions return to Earth.

Re: Artemis astronauts assignments
« Reply #17 on: 11/16/2022 05:16 pm »
Shouldn't we expect at least one European astronaut on Artemis II & III, in the orbital seats? Wasn't that part of the deal for the ESM.
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« Reply #18 on: 11/16/2022 06:34 pm »
One Canadian Space Agency astronaut is most likely to be a part of the Artemis II crew. Didn’t see any sources (official or unofficial) about an ESA astronaut being a part of Artemis II.
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Re: Artemis astronauts assignments
« Reply #19 on: 11/19/2022 08:07 am »
Shouldn't we expect at least one European astronaut on Artemis II & III, in the orbital seats? Wasn't that part of the deal for the ESM.

I think Artemis III will be all-American, for political reasons. Because if there are only 2 PAX landing and they have to be the first female and the first POC on the moon, the USA is very unlikely to let any other country have that honor. Sure, one of the orbital seats could potentially go to ESA (or JAXA), but that wouldn‘t be politically astute. As the first moon landing in over 50 years, there is bound to be a lot of public interest in this mission and talking heads in European countries would undoubtedly have a field day if an ESA astronaut were on the first return to the moon but wasn‘t allowed to land. Better to wait until Artemis IV, when public interest has waned and nobody is likely to stir up controversy. Also, Artemis IV is scheduled to assemble the Gateway, and here ESA participation makes a lot of sense.
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Re: Artemis astronauts assignments
« Reply #20 on: 11/21/2022 09:17 am »
Couple of questions:

Do we know yet what the crew designators are for Artemis II and beyond? NASA, SpaceX and Boeing seem to have stuck quite rigidly to the Shuttle-style CDR, PLT, MS1, MS2 profile, and I wonder if that will continue for Artemis?

Or will we see an Apollo-style CDR, PLT, LMP (?) etc system?

I would imagine a cadre of candidates for Artemis II must already be in place, but with a 2-year training profile the training teams must be ready to go by now. Does anyone know what the 2-year Artemis II training flow might "look" like, in terms of Orion systems training, SLS systems training, lunar geology etc?

Lastly, my pick is Bresnik as Artemis II CDR and Feustel as Artemis III CDR.

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« Reply #21 on: 11/21/2022 09:43 am »
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« Reply #22 on: 11/21/2022 11:38 am »
I'm sure the crew for Artemis II has already been selected by NASA but not officially released. Apollo crews were chosen approximately 2 years prior to their missions.

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« Reply #23 on: 11/21/2022 12:10 pm »
In the NASA live feed for Artemis I, one of the visiting Members of the NASA astronaut corps did mention, that the training schedule has been fixed, but so far no one was selected.

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« Reply #24 on: 12/07/2022 12:32 pm »
How long after Artemis 1 returns to Earth on Sunday can we expect an official crew announcement for Artemis 2?

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Re: Artemis astronauts assignments
« Reply #25 on: 12/07/2022 05:02 pm »
How long after Artemis 1 returns to Earth on Sunday can we expect an official crew announcement for Artemis 2?
The only people who could possibly know the answer are those in the position to make such a selection. 
My guess is that it will be longer than either of us wish it to be.
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« Reply #26 on: 12/12/2022 07:36 am »
Wiseman's departure from CB Chief is highly telling. But would he assign himself, as Lindsey did on STS-133, or leave it for Feustel to do? Or might this be a job for FCOD or even Nelson to authorise?

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« Reply #27 on: 12/12/2022 11:15 am »
Wiseman's departure from CB Chief is highly telling. But would he assign himself, as Lindsey did on STS-133, or leave it for Feustel to do? Or might this be a job for FCOD or even Nelson to authorise?
Very interesting...I have a feeling the Artemis 2 crew announcement will come on the (54th) anniversary of the Apollo 11 crew assignment in early January. The only difference is that in the Apollo program you can actually surmise who would fly each mission because of the "back-up" rule.

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« Reply #28 on: 01/29/2023 04:17 pm »
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https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/29/world/nasa-artemis-moon-secretive-crew-selection-process/index.html

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« Reply #29 on: 02/13/2023 06:52 pm »
Quote from: Stephen Clark
NASA plans to name the Artemis 2 crew “in a month or two,” says NASA astronaut Stan Love in remarks at the Michoud Assembly Facility this morning.

Love will not be on the crew, but he says he will be a CAPCOM (spacecraft communicator) in mission control for Artemis 2.

https://twitter.com/StephenClark1/status/1625173094997409798

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« Reply #30 on: 03/09/2023 09:04 pm »
Quote from: Administrator Bill Nelson
JUST IN: On April 3, we will reveal the crew for @NASAArtemis II! Four crew members – three from @NASA & one from @csa_asc – will fly around the Moon. Together, they’ll test the @NASA_SLS rocket & the @NASA_Orion spacecraft. We are going! #StateOfNASA

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« Reply #31 on: 03/10/2023 01:32 pm »
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The event will air on NASA Television, the NASA app, and the agency’s website.

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The crew will include three NASA astronauts and one CSA astronaut, demonstrating the agency’s commitment to international partnerships through the Artemis program. Artemis II builds on the successful Artemis I flight test, which launched an uncrewed Orion, atop the SLS rocket, on a 1.4 million-mile journey beyond the Moon to test systems before astronauts fly aboard the systems on a mission to the Moon.

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« Reply #32 on: 03/10/2023 02:37 pm »
Has NASA announced the breakdown of international partner crew slot allocations based on contributions to the Artemis program?  Presumably ESA will get a slot on Artemis 3...
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« Reply #33 on: 03/10/2023 11:46 pm »
Has NASA announced the breakdown of international partner crew slot allocations based on contributions to the Artemis program?  Presumably ESA will get a slot on Artemis 3...

The international partners' contributions for Gateway have been determined but not the contributions to Artemis.

The ESA Director, Josef Aschbacher said that ESA astronauts would participate in the Artemis missions, especially in Artemis IV and V because they are also building and establishing the Gateway with ESA contributions in iHab and Esprit in particular.

https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=57437.msg2434821#msg2434821

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« Reply #34 on: 03/11/2023 11:54 am »
So with CSA on Artemis II and ESA on Artemis IV and V probably it will be JAXA for Artemis III.
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« Reply #35 on: 03/11/2023 12:51 pm »
So with CSA on Artemis II and ESA on Artemis IV and V probably it will be JAXA for Artemis III.

JAXA is also involved in iHab, so it would seem likely that it would be involved in Artemis IV. For Artemis III, no international participation has been announced yet.

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« Reply #36 on: 03/12/2023 10:43 am »
I believe there is no chance for an ESA-astronaut to land on the moon soon (Artemis III, Artemis IV) and not for JAXA!
Its for sure not a problem of "first woman, first POC". (Besides there is a "woman of colour" in the team!)
How far I know there was never a agreement for this, only for ESA/JAXA to Gateway
Maybe some time in the future, when 4 and more people will land on the moon in one lander.
For now there is no nonamerican Astronaut in the "Artemis-Astronaut-Team" and the first 4-landing-crew may be Artemis VI.

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« Reply #37 on: 03/12/2023 06:28 pm »
I believe there is no chance for an ESA-astronaut to land on the moon soon (Artemis III, Artemis IV) and not for JAXA!
Its for sure not a problem of "first woman, first POC". (Besides there is a "woman of colour" in the team!)
How far I know there was never a agreement for this, only for ESA/JAXA to Gateway
Maybe some time in the future, when 4 and more people will land on the moon in one lander.
For now there is no nonamerican Astronaut in the "Artemis-Astronaut-Team" and the first 4-landing-crew may be Artemis VI.

I mostly agree with your post but I believe that the first 4 astronauts crew landing on the Moon might not before Artemis VIII. Given that Artemis VII would use the pressurized rover which is expected to be provided by JAXA, I would assume that a JAXA astronaut will be on that mission. Four crew astronauts generally require the pressurized rover and the lunar habitat (2 astronauts in each). The foundation surface habitat is scheduled for Artemis VIII as of now.

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Re: Artemis astronauts assignments
« Reply #38 on: 03/13/2023 12:54 am »
With the exception of the CSA astronaut selected for the prime crew of Artemis II, I would guess that the three NASA astronauts chosen will have spaceflight experience.
However, in order to give "rookies" dedicated training on Orion operations, there may be some astronauts assigned to the back-up crew without flight experience.
That's as far as my "guessing" goes for this flight assignment.
Looking forward to the April 3 announcement.

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Re: Artemis astronauts assignments
« Reply #39 on: 03/13/2023 05:36 am »
Is it planned to have a backup crew ?

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Re: Artemis astronauts assignments
« Reply #40 on: 03/13/2023 08:13 am »
Is it planned to have a backup crew ?
Back-up assignments have been used for every flight going back to Alan Shepard in 1961.
Can't see why such an important mission like this would be any different.

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Re: Artemis astronauts assignments
« Reply #41 on: 03/13/2023 11:23 am »
Is it planned to have a backup crew ?
Back-up assignments have been used for every flight going back to Alan Shepard in 1961.
Can't see why such an important mission like this would be any different.

The Shuttle for the most part ceased use of backup crews after STS-4.
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Re: Artemis astronauts assignments
« Reply #42 on: 03/13/2023 11:32 am »
Is it planned to have a backup crew ?
Back-up assignments have been used for every flight going back to Alan Shepard in 1961.
Can't see why such an important mission like this would be any different.

The Shuttle for the most part ceased use of backup crews after STS-4.
I always thought that due to the frequency of shuttle missions, the entire active astronaut cadre was available to back up any astronaut (or crew) with that same "specialty".

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Re: Artemis astronauts assignments
« Reply #43 on: 03/13/2023 02:46 pm »
Is it planned to have a backup crew ?
Back-up assignments have been used for every flight going back to Alan Shepard in 1961.
Can't see why such an important mission like this would be any different.

The Shuttle for the most part ceased use of backup crews after STS-4.
I always thought that due to the frequency of shuttle missions, the entire active astronaut cadre was available to back up any astronaut (or crew) with that same "specialty".

That's a fair way to put it. I'm assuming that Orbiter's comment was intended to mean specifically announced/designated backup crews. Even after STS-4 that happened a couple times - Greg Harbaugh was a backup EVA crewmember for STS-61. Rick Sturckow backed up Mark Kelly after Gabby Gifford's was shot, although that seemed more like Sturckow was filling in for Kelly during crew training until her medical condition was certain.

In other cases astronauts were relatively quickly pressed in to replace crewmembers - Kent Rominger for STS-85, and Steve Bowen on STS-133.

Unless the Artemis program becomes closer to an operational system though, I imagine we'll see specifically named backup crews in its future. I can't see its flight rate getting close enough to Shuttle to justify otherwise.

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