Author Topic: SpaceX F9 : Starlink group 2-4 : VSFB SLC-4E : 19 January 2023 (15:43 UTC)  (Read 53843 times)

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Windy says no rain and minimum surface winds.


https://www.windy.com/?34.729,-120.527,12,m:eC2acOh

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Weather.com is projecting minimal winds and no rain, but significant cloud cover. Can't tell about where OCSILY is, though...

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The SpaceX webcast https://youtube.com/watch?v=bNAebzSvWt4 now says it will go live in 26 hours at 11:00 PM EST January 11 (though the description still they are targeting January 10).

Sounds like another weather delay?

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Official Vandy site gave out a severe weather alert for the entire base. Parts of the base are without power.

https://www.vandenberg.spaceforce.mil/Portals/18/documents/VSFB_Weather_Warning_04.pdf
« Last Edit: 01/11/2023 01:07 am by jackvancouver »

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Updated at SpaceX site:

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The instantaneous launch window is at 8:02 p.m. PT (04:02 UTC on January 11).

https://www.spacex.com/launches/mission/?missionId=starlink-2-4-pre-launch
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Stupid Pineapple Express moisture causing so much rain...

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The SpaceX webcast https://youtube.com/watch?v=bNAebzSvWt4 now says it will go live in 26 hours at 11:00 PM EST January 11 (though the description still they are targeting January 10).

Sounds like another weather delay?

it's showing 84 minutes for me...

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Official Vandy site gave out a severe weather alert for the entire base. Parts of the base are without power.

https://www.vandenberg.spaceforce.mil/Portals/18/documents/VSFB_Weather_Warning_04.pdf
All of VSFB have redundant pairs or triples of diesel  generators. Every site every radar, every telemetry receiver tracker etc. Such that downed lines will not take down critical power to infrastructure. All generators are powered up and floating hot on the grid so a even low power from the line trips out and generators take over without so much as a blink to the critical launch support infrastructure on both south base and north base.


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Liftoff for St. Jude's! Go Dragon, Go Falcon, Godspeed Inspiration4!

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https://twitter.com/tskelso/status/1613091488174575617

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The next launch attempt for #Starlink Group 2-4 is now set for 2023-01-12 at 03:48:10 UTC with deployment at  04:17:15.680 UTC. Updated data is available at: https://celestrak.org/NORAD/elements/supplemental/table.php?FILE=starlink-g2-4

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Official Vandy site gave out a severe weather alert for the entire base. Parts of the base are without power.
All of VSFB have redundant pairs or triples of diesel  generators. Every site every radar, every telemetry receiver tracker etc. Such that downed lines will not take down critical power to infrastructure. All generators are powered up and floating hot on the grid so a even low power from the line trips out and generators take over without so much as a blink to the critical launch support infrastructure on both south base and north base.
I'd assume the diesels are only fired up during a launch campaign?  It would seem incredibly wasteful to run them all the time.

If they really need 24 hour/day coverage there are much better systems available.  For our internal data center, where we want continuous coverage without even glitches, we use a combination of flywheels and generators.   The flywheels are continuously spinning, but they are in a vacuum so the losses are low.  If the power fails, the flywheels support the load (glitch free) for about 20 seconds.  During those 20 seconds, the diesels start and sync to the flywheel power for another seamless handover.  This gives very solid power with relatively little emissions (dominated by the weekly testing of the diesels).

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Official Vandy site gave out a severe weather alert for the entire base. Parts of the base are without power.
All of VSFB have redundant pairs or triples of diesel  generators. Every site every radar, every telemetry receiver tracker etc. Such that downed lines will not take down critical power to infrastructure. All generators are powered up and floating hot on the grid so a even low power from the line trips out and generators take over without so much as a blink to the critical launch support infrastructure on both south base and north base.
I'd assume the diesels are only fired up during a launch campaign?  It would seem incredibly wasteful to run them all the time.

If they really need 24 hour/day coverage there are much better systems available.  For our internal data center, where we want continuous coverage without even glitches, we use a combination of flywheels and generators.   The flywheels are continuously spinning, but they are in a vacuum so the losses are low.  If the power fails, the flywheels support the load (glitch free) for about 20 seconds.  During those 20 seconds, the diesels start and sync to the flywheel power for another seamless handover.  This gives very solid power with relatively little emissions (dominated by the weekly testing of the diesels).
That's a rock-solid 1970's solution. A new installation would probably use Megapacks.

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« Last Edit: 01/11/2023 03:46 pm by ZachS09 »
Liftoff for St. Jude's! Go Dragon, Go Falcon, Godspeed Inspiration4!

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This launch is jinxed.

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Official Vandy site gave out a severe weather alert for the entire base. Parts of the base are without power.
All of VSFB have redundant pairs or triples of diesel  generators. Every site every radar, every telemetry receiver tracker etc. Such that downed lines will not take down critical power to infrastructure. All generators are powered up and floating hot on the grid so a even low power from the line trips out and generators take over without so much as a blink to the critical launch support infrastructure on both south base and north base.
I'd assume the diesels are only fired up during a launch campaign?  It would seem incredibly wasteful to run them all the time.

If they really need 24 hour/day coverage there are much better systems available.  For our internal data center, where we want continuous coverage without even glitches, we use a combination of flywheels and generators.   The flywheels are continuously spinning, but they are in a vacuum so the losses are low.  If the power fails, the flywheels support the load (glitch free) for about 20 seconds.  During those 20 seconds, the diesels start and sync to the flywheel power for another seamless handover.  This gives very solid power with relatively little emissions (dominated by the weekly testing of the diesels).
That's a rock-solid 1970's solution. A new installation would probably use Megapacks.
Yes the generators run up for an op at it's start and stay up until it's end.

But always because of the windy and narrow roads. Road conditions before an op can cause launch op slips. Some of the "more time to conduct processing" may be related to a lack of some personnel unable to get to the appropriate multiple sites about north base and south base. On some rare occasions the valley between the north base and south base floods. The Lompoc Flower fields occupy the flood plain between the base sections from Lompoc out to the ocean.

After looking at the current radar/satellite images for the base area this morning. BAD WEATHER. I understand also why the current reschedule out to the 14th.

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This launch is jinxed.
Be careful about such labels.

I remember one December 1981 Atlas launch. It could seemingly never get all it's ducks in a row: weather, technical, GSE... Slips that finally was for about 7 days from its original schedule. It finally launched on Christmas Eve just before midnight. Unfortunately it was a failure. The initial failure investigation kickoff was at 1 am Christmas.

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This launch is jinxed.

Not even remotely enough issues to qualify as jinxed, in my opinion.

I supported one mission that sat at VAFB for a year before it finally launched.
Another one was the first ever spacecraft to be shipped back to Ball after arriving at a launch base.

Having a launch slip during such severe weather is a good thing- trying to launch when conditions are that bad is not a sensible thing to do.

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Jeez, lighten up. 

Besides, they tweeted that it wasn't weather this time. 

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I think they needed more time to check the second stage data.
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https://twitter.com/spacex/status/1613276188092542977

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Now targeting Falcon 9's launch of Starlink on Sunday, January 15 at 8:18 a.m. PT from California for constellation optimization
« Last Edit: 01/11/2023 07:47 pm by FutureSpaceTourist »

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