I think the US financial year starts on 1 October. I also managed to find the table in its original context:http://icubesat.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/icubesat-org-2012-c-2-1_presentation_szatkowski.pdf
1. Very interesting. So if "ridesharing" is worked out with the primary customer, the secondary customer would pay the primary customer some agreed-upon portion of the launch cost? And they would have to agree upon the hardware, and coordinate CGs and EMC and so on, amongst themselves (ie not coordinated by ULA at all)?I would think ridesharing with NRO would be a tough proposition, but maybe that aft adapter would help.2. Does "Performance Limited" mean "I put this mission on the slide but there's no way you're going to get on it"? Sounds like either the satellite is overweight, or the US tank will get filled to as much weight as is available.3. Is it ever possible to bump from an Atlas 401 to a 411 or 421 after the purchase, or is that set in stone years in advance? It seems like such an innocent change. 4. Are GeoEye and WorldView satellites both still on the manifest, or does this predate the merger? Does the >4000 margin on a 401 mean these satellites are Delta II sized? 5. And (struggling to come back on topic...) are names like "Improved Trumpet" a description of an NRO satellite bus (like Boeing 601 or 702), or a specific spacecraft/mission (like TDRS)? 6. Is the NRO salivating at the possibility of a Falcon Heavy-sized launch opportunity, or have they sworn off such largesse?
I think the US financial year starts on 1 October.
2. It means the primary payload uses all the capability of the LV. Upperstages are always fully loaded. There isn't such thing as a partial propellant load.Didn't one of the Proton launches fail because the upperstage was overfilled by 1.5 tons--indicating a partial load was intended but not implemented? It doesn't seem possible to fill a tank beyond it's structural/volumetric limit-without ballooning it
It seems that the identification of NROL-67 may not be correct since the current launch schedule now shows it to be launched from the Cape next March (type of rocket is correct). Next generation ELINT?
Quote from: Galactic Penguin SST on 11/24/2013 04:15 pmIt seems that the identification of NROL-67 may not be correct since the current launch schedule now shows it to be launched from the Cape next March (type of rocket is correct). Next generation ELINT? L-67 is something of a mystery. It was originally listed as going from Canaveral, then seemed to move to VAFB and back to CCAFS. It could be that it actually changed launch site, or that ULA listed the wrong site in the presentation which listed it as being a west coast mission. The ULA powerpoint also stated it was going to LEO. Apart from a Misty follow-up (which I would expect to require the servces of a Delta IV Heavy), or an old RADINT satellite (I seem to remember a recent discussion concluding that an Atlas V could probably carry one from a mass and volume standpoint, but with two next-generation satellites operational and a third launching in the next fortnight, I fail to see the point), the only things which would fly to LEO from Canaveral would be Intruder SIGINT birds. I strongly doubt that L-67 would be Intruder - unless several pairs of satellites were being launched together, the mass gain wouldn't make sense.So if we ignore the LEO line, it leaves several possiblities. Orion could be a good bet, although I have L-37 as a strong candidate for a current-generation Orion so I'm not sure if they're up for replacement yet. That said L-37's launch site hasn't been confirmed yet and much of my assessment of it was based on the assumption there were no more KH-11s to launch, while the documents leaked in August suggest production is continuing.HEO SIGINT is also possible - L-67 could be a replacement for the Trumpet series. That would again be quite a significant increase in mass over the current-generation satellites however.I'm reluctant to rule out a replacement for the Quasar communications satellites - although these typically use smaller rockets commercial comsats are one type of spacecraft which are still increasing in mass rather than decreasing, and it is possible that a fourth-generation SDS could be adding new capabilities in a similar manner. It is unlikely though.And now for a completly wild guess. Most of the names listed in the leaked NRO documents have been associated with real satellites. The one exception is NEMESIS 2, which is listed as a HEO/GEO SIGINT satellite heavily funded in FY2011 but with nothing listed afterwards. NEMESIS 2 and NROL-67 (and possibly AFSPC-2 as well) could possibly be the same satellite. What that is is anybody's guess - maybe a Prowler followup? But that is pure speculation.
QUASAR has to be ruled out. Delta IV heavy is around 15klb in GSO. QUASAR is less than 5klb.
Somebody bumped this thread earlier asking for an update, which was probably overdue.NROL-1 "Nemesis" - USA-179 - Quasar 3G - 31.08.2004 - Atlas IIAS - CCAFSNROL-2 - USA-129 - KH-11 - 20.12.1996 - Titan IV(404)A - VAFBNROL-3 (?) - USA-133 - Onyx - 24.10.1997 - Titan IV(403)A - VAFBNROL-4 - USA-136 - Trumpet 1G - 08.11.1997 - Titan IV(401)A - CCAFSNROL-5 "Capricorn" - USA-137 - Quasar 2/3G - 29.01.1998 - Atlas IIA - CCAFSNROL-6 - USA-139 - Orion 2G - 09.05.1998 - Titan IV(401)B - CCAFSNROL-7 - - Mercury - 12.08.1998 - Titan IV(401)A - CCAFSNROL-8 (?) - - STEX - 03.10.1998 - Taurus 1110 - VAFBNROL-9 - USA-144 - Misty - 22.05.1999 - Titan IV(404)B - VAFBNROL-10 "Ursa Major"* - USA-155 - Quasar 3G - 06.12.2000 - Atlas IIAS - CCAFSNROL-11 - USA-152 - Onyx - 17.08.2000 - Titan IV(403)B - VAFBNROL-12 "Aquila" - USA-162 - Quasar 3G - 10.10.2001 - Atlas IIAS - CCAFSNROL-13 "Gemini" - USA-160 - Intruder 3G - 08.09.2001 - Atlas IIAS - VAFBNROL-14 - USA-161 - KH-11 - 05.10.2001 - Titan IV(404)B - VAFBNROL-15 - USA-237 - Orion 2/3G - 29.06.2012 - Delta IV-H - CCAFSNROL-16 - USA-182 - Onyx - 30.04.2005 - Titan IV(403)B - CCAFSNROL-17 - USA-158 - GeoLITE - 18.05.2001 - Delta II 7925 - CCAFSNROL-18 "Libra" - USA-173 - Intruder 3G - 02.12.2003 - Atlas IIAS - VAFBNROL-19 - USA-171 - Orion 2G - 09.09.2003 - Titan IV(401)B - CCAFSNROL-20 - USA-186 - KH-11 - 19.10.2005 - Titan IV(404)B - VAFBNROL-21 - USA-193 - Tech** - 14.12.2006 - Delta II 7920 - VAFBNROL-22 - USA-184 - Trumpet 2G - 28.06.2006 - Delta IV-M+(4,2) - VAFBNROL-23 "Canis Minor" - USA-181 - Intruder 3G - 03.02.2005 - Atlas IIIB - CCAFSNROL-24 "Scorpius" - USA-198 - Quasar 3G - 10.12.2007 - Atlas V 401 - CCAFSNROL-25 "Altair"*** - USA-234 - Topaz 1G - 03.04.2012 - Delta IV-M+(5,2) - VAFBNROL-26 - USA-202 - Orion 3G - 18.01.2009 - Delta IV-H - CCAFSNROL-27 "Gryphon" - USA-227 - Quasar 3G - 11.03.2011 - Delta IV-M+(4,2) - CCAFSNROL-28 - USA-200 - Trumpet 2G - 13.03.2008 - Atlas V 411 - VAFBNROL-29 - - FIA-O? - cancelled - Atlas V 521 - VAFBNROL-30 "Pyxis" - USA-194 - Intruder 3G - 15.06.2007 - Atlas V 401 - CCAFSNROL-31 - UnknownNROL-32 - USA-223 - Orion 2G - 21.11.2010 - Delta IV-H - CCAFSNROL-33 - USA-252 - Quasar 3G - 22.06.2014 - Atlas V 401 - CCAFSNROL-34 "Odin" - USA-229 - Intruder 3G - 15.04.2011 - Atlas V 411 - VAFBNROL-35 - USA-259 - Trumpet 3G - 13.12.2014 - Atlas V 531 - VAFBNROL-36 - USA-238 - Intruder 3G - 13.09.2012 - Atlas V 401 - VAFBNROL-37 - USA-268 - Orion 2/3G - 11.06.2016 - Delta IV-H - CCAFSNROL-38 "Drake" - USA-236 - Quasar 3G - 20.06.2012 - Atlas V 401 - CCAFSNROL-39 - USA-247 - Topaz 1G - 06.12.2013 - Atlas V 501 - VAFBNROL-40 - UnknownNROL-41 - USA-215 - Topaz 1G - 21.09.2010 - Atlas V 501 - VAFBNROL-42 - - Trumpet 3G - 2017 - Atlas V 541 - VAFBNROL-43 - - - - - VAFBNROL-44 - - Orion? 2/3G - 2019 - Delta IV-H - CCAFSNROL-45 - USA-267 - Topaz 1G - 10.02.2016 - Delta IV-M+(5,2) - VAFBNROL-46 - - - - - CCAFSNROL-47 - - Topaz 1/2G - 2017 - Delta IV-M+(5,2) - VAFBNROL-48 - UnknownNROL-49 - USA-224 - KH-11 - 20.01.2011 - Delta IV-H - VAFBNROL-50 - UnknownNROL-51 - UnknownNROL-52 - - Quasar 4G - 2017 - Atlas V 421 - CCAFSNROL-53 - UnknownNROL-54 - UnknownNROL-55 - USA-264 - Intruder 3G - 08.10.2015 - Atlas V 401 - VAFBNROL-56 - UnknownNROL-57 - UnknownNROL-58 - UnknownNROL-59 - - - - - VAFBNROL-60 - UnknownNROL-61 "Spike" - USA-269 - Quasar 4G - 28.07.2016 - Atlas V 421 - CCAFSNROL-62 - UnknownNROL-63 - UnknownNROL-64 - UnknownNROL-65 "Buttercup"?? - USA-245 - KH-11 - 28.08.2013 - Delta IV-H - VAFBNROL-66 - USA-225 - RPP - 06.02.2011 - Minotaur I - VAFBNROL-67 - USA-250 - ?? - 10.04.2014 - Atlas V 541 - CCAFSNROL-68 - - Orion 2/3G - 2021 - Delta IV-H - CCAFSNROL-69 - UnknownNROL-70 - - Orion 2/3G - 2022 - Delta IV-H - CCAFSNROL-71 - - KH-11??? - 2018 - Delta IV-H - VAFBNROL-72 - UnknownNROL-73 - UnknownNROL-74 - UnknownNROL-75 - UnknownNROL-76 - - Quasar 4G?? - 2017 - Falcon 9 FT - KSCNROL-77 - UnknownNROL-78 - UnknownNROL-79 - - Intruder 3G - 2017 - Atlas V 401 - VAFBNROL-80 - UnknownNROL-81 - UnknownNROL-82 - - KH-11??? - 2020 - Delta IV-H - VAFBNROL-83 - UnknownNROL-84 - UnknownNROL-85 - UnknownNROL-86 - UnknownNROL-87 - UnknownNROL-88 - UnknownNROL-89 - UnknownNROL-90 - UnknownNROL-91 - - KH-11??? - 2023 - Delta IV-H - VAFBNROL-92 - UnknownNROL-93 - UnknownNROL-94 - UnknownNROL-95 - UnknownNROL-96 - UnknownNROL-97 - UnknownNROL-98 - UnknownNROL-99 - UnknownNROL-100 - UnknownNROL-101 - - - 2019 - Atlas V - CCAFS* - Officially "Ursa Major", however "Great Bear" was used on the mission patch, which was designed by a 13-year-old** - Possibly a prototype Topaz?*** - A mission patch on sale c.2007 featured the name "Altair", however a completely different patch, without this name, was issued after the mission's lengthy delay. It is possible that a) The 2007 patch was not related to the mission, and the seller was in error, b) The patch was redesigned, or c) the payload was changed (the Altair patch looked like a typical NOSS/SDS patch)Red: Updates November 2016Blue: Adding assumed generations